Township Council Minutes
October 22, 2002
The regular meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council
was called to order at 7:30 pm by Council President Scapicchio
with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
MOMENT OF REFLECTION
President Scapicchio: If everyone would just join us. At
these Public Meetings, we now do a moment of reflection
of the men and women fighting terrorism and defending the
freedom that we all enjoy.
OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT ANNOUNCEMENT
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice
of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle
and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted
at in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road,
Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting
ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller,
Mr. Perkins, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Spino
Also in attendance: Cynthia Spencer, Business Administrator,
Peter King; Township Attorney, Sherry Jenkins, CFO, Nicole
Whittle, Deputy Township Clerk.
RETIREMENT RESOLUTION & PLAQUE PRESENTATIONS
President Scapicchio: We have five Resolutions on the Agenda
tonight and we will start off with some resolutions and
plaques of presentations to certain employees that are going
to retire. The first one on the agenda is Kathryn "Sweets"
Hannon. Unfortunately she is not present and we will have
to do it another time. Rudy is not coming so do we want
to introduce and move that resolution and will present him
with the plaque.
1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Commending Kathryn "Sweets" Hannon
on Twenty-One Years of Outstanding Service to the Township.
2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Commending Raynour "Rudy" Rudolph
on Thirty-Two Years of Outstanding Service to the Township.
Mr. Greenbaum moved resolution No. 2. Mr. Perkins seconded
President Scapicchio: Comment on this resolution? Council?
Mrs. Miller: I think we should read the whole thing into
President Scapicchio: Charlene would you like to do that?
Mrs. Miller: Sure.
WHEREAS, Raynour "Rudy" Rudolph was hired by
the Township of Mount Olive as a Plumbing Inspector in 1970
and has with great dedication served the Township until
now, as he has given notice of his retirement; and
WHEREAS, "Rudy" Rudolph has served the Township
of Mount Olive during what is obviously the greatest growth
period in its history. He has also served as Plumbing Inspector
for Hackettstown and Allamuchy; and
WHEREAS, Raynour "Rudy" Rudolph while serving
the Township has also shared his experience and expertise
with students at Morris County Community College and Essex
County Community College and he has served on the State
Arbitration Committee for numerous years; and
WHEREAS, the Township by virtue of this Resolution expresses
its gratitude for Rudy*s many years of fine service.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Township Council
of the Township of Mount Olive that it does hereby wish
to thank Raynour "Rudy" Rudolph on behalf of all
the citizens of the Township for his years of outstanding
dedication and service to the Township and to wish him the
very best, happiness and good health in his retirement.
3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Commending Raymond "Ray" Kemmerer
for Thirty-Four Years of Dedicated Service to the Township.
Mayor Licitra: I think what we have to remember when we
go as far back in Mt. Olive in the last thirty five years,
we have to always remember where we have been and who brought
us here. I can't tell you how we're going to do it in our
Road Department, Ray was just fantastic. He had public relations
throughout the Town. Whenever someone called he got back
to them, he responded, he was up all hours of the night.
The reasons why a lot of the times we don't get complaints
about snow removal is because of the job that Ray and his
department has done and will continue to do because he set
the standard. You don't replace someone like Ray, you could
hope that somebody does the job as good as he did and as
dedicated as he was. His personality was such that it made
my job that much easier because of the way he responded
to people and because of the way he fixed things when they
were broken. Even if he didn't fix it, he made people feel
comfortable by telling them why it wasn't fixed. So Ray
this is a very small plaque to go along with your big heart
and your dedication to Mt. Olive. I have had the pleasure
of working with you as Mayor for the past three years. I
want to present this plaque to you on behalf of the Council
and the Mayor. Congratulations on your retirement after
34 years of devoting your service to the Township of Mt.
Olive presented the 22nd day of October 2002 by the Mayor
and Township Council. Ray I don't know what I am going to
do without you. I am still going to call you on snow nights.
WHEREAS, Raymond "Ray" Kemmerer was hired by
the Township of Mount Olive as a laborer in July 1968; was
promoted to heavy equipment operator in July 1975; was again
promoted to Road Department Foreman in August 1979 and finally
received a promotion to Road Department Supervisor in January
1996; and with great dedication serviced the Township, without
interruption, until he gave notice of his retirement; and
WHEREAS, Raymond "Ray" Kemmerer has served the
Township of Mount Olive during a tremendous growth period
with more road construction and new Township roads to maintain
than any municipality has ever experienced in Morris County,
and has managed his staff efficiently and effectively; and
WHEREAS, "Ray" Kemmerer is a reliable and dependable
figure within the Township Department of Public Works and
will be missed by the department as well as the citizens
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Township Council
of the Township of Mount Olive that it does hereby wish
to thank "Ray" Kemmerer on behalf of all the citizens
of the Township for his dedication and years of service
to the Township and to wish him the very best, happiness
and good health in his retirement.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Commending Frank Kennedy on Twenty-Six Years
of Outstanding Service to the Township.
Mrs. Miller moved for approval of this resolution. Mr. Rattner
seconded the motion.
Mayor Licitra: You know when I took over three years ago,
I think I said three words to him in the first three months
I was in. I know that this Sanitation Department worked
as well as the Road Department with both the Public and
the Township. I'll put our Sanitation Department up against
anybody, there are things that Frank has brought to that
department, you wouldn't believe half the things that I
get, letters and calls about our Sanitation Department and
that is a reflection upon the leadership of the Sanitation
Department. I knew when I first took over and I said to
my Business Administrator, I think I said it to Cindy also
when she took over. I said don't know what he does in there
but leave him alone, he makes us proud. Then again he wouldn't
take any advice anyway, he would do it his own way. So it
doesn't make any difference what I say but again so many
years of experience that we are going to be losing and you
don't replace it but like Ray and like Frank they have told
me that they will be around. They are citizens of Mount
Olive and anytime I need them just give them a call and
they will be there. To tell you the truth I know that. I
know I can call them at any time and they will be there
to help us as they were in the past. So Frank, tonight I
would like to present to you Frank Kennedy, congratulations
on your retirement. 26 years of devoted service to the Township
of Mt. Olive and this is presented this 22nd day of October
2002 by the Mayor and Council. Thank you.
Mr. Rattner: Frank has really had an interesting career
in Mt. Olive Township. People don't realize he started out
in the Police Department as a patrolman for almost six years.
I heard a lot of stories but that was before my time so
I cannot attest and I won't repeat. When I got on the Council
in the late 1980's, all the employees wanted to be transferred
into Sanitation. They said the good jobs were in Sanitation.
How many towns could say that? Also for years, when we were
talking about services in Town, the one that I kept getting
compliments on was in Sanitation. It was the way that Frank
was able to run a department, come up with new ideas and
have his men follow his orders. Also, when we had different
needs; when we had a problem with maintaining the vehicles.
Frank said well, with my current job, I will look at that
too and I can manage that. He just stepped into that. He
volunteered for that. He didn't ask for anything, just stepped
into it and worked that way. He has also been very involved
in almost every community activity. He was the one who sponsored
the "Welcome the Boys Home From Desert Storm."
He had been also involved with the Mount Olive Days; he
and his business has made sure to participate because the
loves the Town, not just being an employee but he is a resident
and he is a man of Mount Olive. So with that we have a resolution
from the Town Council.
WHEREAS, Frank Kennedy has been employed by the Township
of Mount Olive for over twenty-six years, first as a Police
Officer from 1970 through 1979 and after six years in the
private sector, Frank returned to Mount Olive in his present
and essential capacity as Sanitation Supervisor; and
WHEREAS, Frank Kennedy has served the Township of Mount
Olive conscientiously and diligently and has taken proper
care of what the citizens of Mount Olive are exceptionally
concerned about, namely their garbage; and
WHEREAS, Frank has served the citizens of the Township
who are indeed dependent upon his services; and
WHEREAS, Frank has served the Township well and is deserving
of the recognition and gratitude of the Mayor and Council
and the citizens of Mount Olive; and
WHEREAS, the Mayor and Council are hopeful that the high
level of service that Frank has rendered will continue beyond
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Township Council
of the Township of Mount Olive that it does hereby wish
to thank Frank Kennedy for his years of outstanding dedication
and service to the Township and to wish him the very best,
happiness and good health in his retirement.
Frank Kennedy: I would like to thank you first of all.
Number two I would like to thank Mr. Scapicchio and number
one I would like to thank you Mr. Spino from way back in
our day and Mr. Rattner. We have had our day together on
the dais right here on Council, when we did Budgets. I always
remember the days that we go way back. Thank you again.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING
Ord. #40-2002 Bond Ordinance Amending Bond Ordinance Numbered
26-2002 of the Township of Mount Olive, In the County of
Morris, New Jersey Finally Adopted June 18, 2002 Providing
for Various Improvements to, and Acquisition of Equipment
and Vehicles for Turkey Brook Park and in Order to Amend
Such Bond Ordinance in its Entirety.
Laura Szwak, 7 Theresa Drive, Flanders NJ: About this Ordinance;
I see that there is some use of some Open Space Trust funds
being considered in this Ordinance and I was disappointed
that the Council didn't ask your advisory body of the Open
Space Committee about this. My opinion today is expressed
as just Laura Szwak and not exactly the Chair of the Open
Space Committee because the committee as a whole has not
discussed it. In my professional capacity as assistant of
the Morris Land Conservatory I work with 19 different Towns
in five Counties using their Open Space Trust and from what
I could tell from this Ordinance, the use of $1.00 for this
ordinance is an illegal use of the fund. The referendum
that was passed that supported the Open Space Trust; I'll
mention two purposes, recreation facility development and
land acquisition. There was no mention of maintenance or
purchase of maintenance type equipment in there. As I understand
from the attorney's that I deal with in other Towns as well,
that unless that purpose is specifically stated in the local
referendum that established a trust that the funds cannot
be used for that purpose. The State has enabling legislation
that allows the use of maintenance, but a local ordinance
that establishes the Open Space Trust has to have that on
a referendum. Right now we have not asked the Mount Olive
voters if that is a purpose for the referendum. Harding
Township has got a referendum on the ballot this November
to add the maintenance as a purpose. But I will give you
an example, Morris County has a referendum on the ballot
to add historic preservation to the use of their Open Space
and Farmland Preservation Trust and they don't really have
to do it on the County level as we understand because the
State enabling legislation supersedes what is on there,
but the Freeholders have decided it was a prudent thing
to do to go back and ask the voters if historic preservation
could be added as a good purpose. I am sorry you did not
ask the Open Space Committee. We could have helped you.
We always want to try to be positive. So we strongly recommend
that you not use open space trust funds for this purpose.
We have been able to leverage those dollars for Mount Olive
and a number to add thousands of dollars to the Town. We
suggest perhaps you set up a trust for the stewardship of
Turkey Brook Park which is going to be very important funded
by user fees, as I hear from the Mount Olive Soccer Club,
this is going to be a premiere facility so it should be
able to be a facility that should generate some income for
the Town. There is also a brand new Morris County improvement
fund where you can borrow at a very low rate and not have
to pay the five percent down for bond anticipation notes.
If you do decide to hold the referendum to ask Mt. Olive
voters if they would approve of the maintenance as a purpose
for Open Space Trust but at the same time you ask them to
increasing the trust with the same referendum. I know I
would recommend having a separate trust for the Stewardship
of Turkey Brook Park or any Mount Olive Park. I think you
are mixing apples and oranges. We don't want to mortgage
our future, we may have been able to leverage dollars quite
successfully using the money that is in the Open Space Trust
and I know you are not asking for much out of the Trust
but I fear it is not a legal use.
President Scapicchio: Thank you. Mayor you and I have had
several discussions, any comments?
Mrs. Jenkins: If I could just speak first about exactly
what this Ordinance has done just to clarify because I think
there is some confusion. When we set up this ordinance we
took the down payment of $75,000 from the Open Space Trust
Fund. The debt that we authorize is general obligation debt,
debt that would be paid for through taxation the way that
out other debt is paid for. I understand that the time that
we set up the Ordinance there was some discussion about
taking the annual debt service from the Open Space Trust
Fund. But this Ordinance does not do that, I just want to
make that clear.
President Scapicchio: Thank you.
Mr. Greenbaum: I have a question for Sherry. If I understand
correctly the $75,000 is the down payment to finance the
entire amount of the bonding, correct?
Mrs. Jenkins: Yes.
Mr. Greenbaum: Most of the money which is being used for
the bonding is for the actual improvement and it does not
relate to the purchase of the equipment particularly. One
could argue that the $75,000 which is taken from the Open
Space Trust Fund is being used specifically towards the
improvement of the park which is a permitted use under our
enabling statues; could one make such an argument?
Mrs. Jenkins: You can say that and you can also extend that
even further because we are also as part of out down payment,
we applied $133,333 for money that we got from AIG baker
is also applied here, so it wasn't only $75,000 that we
used as a funding source for this ordinance. In fact there
was $133,000 that has since come in from AIG Baker.
President Scapicchio: Steve, this was actually your recommendation,
do you have any thoughts?
Mr. Rattner: It was my recommendation in the technical
parts of the different Ordinances and all of the funding
that we have done with Turkey Brook, obviously at that time
I didn't think of. Lets put this in the proper perspective.
We bought Turkey Brook, it cost us about $2.8 million that
was for the land acquisition. We did not use any of the
Open Space money for that general obligation. We then bonded
another $5.9 million, nothing out of Open Space, general
obligation. We also got probably somewhere in the vicinity
of $800, 000 that we got in contribution. Some left over
from Country Oaks, the Soccer Club; $800,000. The last $1.5
million that we had to find the funding source for was for
the purpose of additional costs to complete Turkey Brook
which was the $1.5 million. Why I bring that up is because
we bonded for $7.4 million just recently between those two
ordinances, $5.9 strictly out of general obligations; down
payments and future payments. The $2.8 million before that
general obligation. If we really look a this, we have a
project that is now up to around $10 or $11 million and
we are saying $75,000 is coming out of Open Space. Now I
say that there is a way of straightening out the book, this
is bookkeeping, it's nothing more. If we are talking about
$75,000 out of an $11 million dollar project, what are we
spending all this time on? I have to agree, you have to
be very careful with what we are doing with our Open Space
Funds, because we told the people what it's used for. Open
Space funds was for acquisition and development So at this
point, $11 million dollars and we are talking about allocating
$75,000 of that. I have had this discussion when Sherry
called me when she said there may be an issue that is coming
up. I said well we still had money left in the $5.9, lets
make sure that we take the equipment out of that bond and
the $1.5 would be used for some other amounts. It's the
bookkeeping that we will have to straighten out the Ordinances
but it is not something that I think we violating the law
in any which way and as I told her, I am not going to do
anything because her suggestion was to take $200,000, take
it out of general obligation, you know my position was that
I am not going to vote for anymore money in Turkey Brook.
The bottom line is, $75,000 out of $11 million for acquisition
and in development of a park, I think if you are talking
about leveraging Open Space Money, no town has ever done
something bigger than that.
President Scapicchio: Thanks, Steve. Charlene.
Mrs. Miller: I am embarrassed that this Council did not
ask the Open Space Committee for their opinion therefore
I think we should send them this because that is what the
Open Space Committee was appointed for. Earl, and myself
and Kathy were all on that first Open Space meeting to review
how that committee was to be set up and the way it was set
up is so that it would not become a political machine but
it would become a citizens advisory committee on how that
trust fund was to be spent. By not including The Open Space
committee prior to approving this I think that we have committed
a wrong. I voted no on this to introduce it and that was
the reason, but there was another reason and now I am going
to make it public because now it is official that we have
fired several of our Mt. Olive employees, several of them
have been with us for numerous years. One was 16 years and
one was 18 years and these were all positions that were
women in order to hire maintenance people for Turkey Brook
and I have a real problem with that because I feel that
is very bias because the maintenance people that are going
to work at Turkey Brook are most likely going to be male
and we have
How many people's position have been terminated
that are going to end this December?
Mrs. Spencer: It will be two full time and one part time.
Mrs. Miller: So three people will lose their positions
and they were all women. Is that correct?
President Scapicchio: A point of order here Charlene, we
are talking about Ordinance 40-2002 which is a Bond Ordinance
we are not talking about employees. I think if you want
to address that, we could certainly entertain that
Mrs. Miller: I am explaining why I am going to vote no
on this issue.
President Scapicchio: Charlene, you were at the Workshop
Meeting where this was discussed when Mr. Rattner first
brought that to the Councils attention as a viable suggestion.
Mrs. Miller: And I did take it to the Open Space Committee
and they were never asked.
President Scapicchio: You are the liaison to the Open Space
Mrs. Miller: Yes.
President Scapicchio: You were at that meeting?
Mrs. Miller: Yes.
President Scapicchio: And you did take it back to them?
Mrs. Miller: They did not have the Ordinance.
President Scapicchio: But you are the liaison; the point
I am trying to make Charlene is that you are the liaison
between the Council and that Committee. This Council in
no way tried to keep that committee out of the loop. You
are part of that committee and it is your responsibility
as the liaison to bring that back to the respective committee.
Mrs. Miller: I brought it up to them, they did not have
the Ordinance I told them to please see if they could get
a copy of it, we did not have time to act on it. It was
not given to them in the same manner.
President Scapicchio: The point I am trying to make Charlene
is that you are the liaison.
Mrs. Miller: You are trying to make it sound like I am
not doing my job.
President Scapicchio: You were aware of the recommendation
that Mr. Rattner made. That is the point. Any other Public
discussion on this ordinance?
Rich Bonte, Budd Lake: My first question is; who used to
maintain the fields across the street here? Who did that?
Did the Township maintain those fields?
President Scapicchio: I am not sure. Mayor, do you know?
Mayor Licitra: If I had to take a guess, I would say yes
we did. I don't think Jim would know that.
Mr. Spino: In reality it was a combination of the School
Board and us but mostly us.
Mr. Bonte: How did we do that?
Mr. Spino: What we did there first of all was mow the fields.
Mow the grass and the Soccer Club did the majority of the
work. Lining the fields, keeping track of the goals and
all that. You have to remember now, all they did was mow
the fields, that was a cow pasture.
Mr. Bonte: I understand that. My first thing I want to
state here because I find it incredulous that we need to
be spending this kind of money maintaining these fields
and I believe I have heard that we are going to be talking
about them getting mowed two to three times a week; which
I find even more incredulous. I really don't understand
what it is that we are trying to establish up here. I have
heard terms used in the past, "World class soccer facility"
It is going to be the "Jewel of Mt. Olive." We'll
attract all these people here to this and that and everything
else. My first question to this Council, is this necessary?
Is it necessary to spend this kind of money to put this
kind of effort into manicuring lawns for the youth of the
Township? I don't believe that what we are planning here
is necessary. It may be nice to have, but we are talking
about a lot of money in terms of equipment in terms of man
power, in terms of operating expenses. Secondly I have a
copy of Mt. Olive's legislation here, I don't know if any
of you others have it. It does appear from reading this
legislation that you can't use any money for anything other
than acquisition of Open Space. Mr. Greenbaum is shaking
Mr. Greenbaum: I think you must be looking at the older
piece of legislation.
Mr. Bonte: I am looking at what is on our current web-site.
Mr. Greenbaum: My understanding was and correct me if I
am wrong were two actually enabling legislation. The first
dealt with and this was before I was on Council, dealt only
with the acquisition of the Open Space. The later referendum
dealt with the acquisition and improvement for recreational
Mr. Bonte: Are you telling me that our website does not
have the current legislation on it.
Mr. Greenbaum: I don't know what our current web-site has
Mr. Bonte: Well let me tell you what our web-site has and
you tell me if this is current or not. Because if it is
not current, then I don't think you should act on this.
The Public does not have the information to make a decision.
This states that the funds accumulated within the trust
fund may be utilized for the acquisition of land by out
right purchase, long term lease donation, development rights
conservation easements, scenic easements or as a down payment
for the issuance of bonds for the same purposes as the discretion
of the Township Council. Monies from the Trust Fund shall
only be appropriated as for an authorized purpose by the
Township Council. Is that the current Legislation?
Mr. Greenbaum: I don't believe so.
President Scapicchio: I don't believe so either Rich. What
is the Ordinance number?
Mr. Bonte: Adopted September 10, 1996 Ordinance #27-96.
This is what is on our website available for the public
I have printed it out this evening.
President Scapicchio: We will check but I believe that
there was an ordinance that has been amended that also allows
for the development of Open Space.
Mr. Bonte: But it does not allow for the expenditure of
funds for equipment?
President Scapicchio: That language is not in that Ordinance,
you are correct.
Mr. Bonte: If that language is not in that ordinance, I
understand what Mr. Rattner is saying. It doesn't mean because
I went down a road eleven times at 15 mph when the speed
limit is 25, I am now entitled to go down at one to fifty
to make it up, because the average is 25mph. You know that
would never hold up in court, this would never hold up in
Mr. Rattner: That wasn't my point Mr. Bonte.
Mr. Bonte: Your point was that we spend a lot of money
out of taxpayer funds and never went to the Open Space.
Mr. Rattner: I am saying that we still have money in some
of those other funds, in the donated funds and it is basically
getting it in the right funds. The $1.5 million ordinance
that we passed just a couple months ago does not have to
be used for this. We have total of somewhere in the vicinity
right now $7.3, $7.4 million dollars. Not all of that is
expended. We have to get it to the right ordinance, I agree
with you there. We could use that full $1.5 for improvements
which is what it is being used for. What's left, we could
probably find some money in the $5.9 or in the $800,000
worth of contributions. We only got $50,000 last week, so
we did not spend it yet. I agree with you. The $1.5 is basically
on our legislation, we cannot take it out of that ordinance.
I happen to agree with you on that. What I am saying is
that in the total project, we have the money in there, it's
more bookkeeping to make sure it is taken out of the proper
Mr. Bonte: Whether it is more bookkeeping or not, I would
certainly hope that even though it is more bookkeeping,
we are charging properly to the water and sewer account
and not the general taxation. I don't believe that either
this legislation or what you say may be the current legislation
if you have any legal authority of spending $1.00 of Open
Space dollars towards this equipment.
Mr. Spino: I would like to say that if we separated the
ordinance into two purposes, by far the largest purpose
is $1.3 million provided for improvements into Turkey Brook
Park including all working materials necessary therefore.
It would seem to me that the $75,000 is well within what
I believe the Ordinance allows us to do since I was involved
in getting first and second referendum that allowed us to
increase it to use it for farmland preservation including
maintenance. In fact I was the one that argued that it shouldn't
be a percentage. Somebody wanted to have a percentage of
so much for maintenance and so much for the purchase of
the property. I was the one that said there shouldn't be
a percentage difference; the amount to be left up to the
Council. I would think if we separated the ordinance into
two parts and had two separate ordinances we would not have
this problem at all.
Mr. Bonte: Well that may be so Earl; that's what needs
to be done.
Mr. Spino: If you are saying yes to that then you have
to say yes to the fact that we are allowed to do it the
way we are doing it.
Mr. Spino: It does not particularly say that it is purchasing
equipment. What it says is that there is a $1.3 million
for work and there is $200,000 for equipment as I read it.
Mr. Bonte: Does it specially prohibit the use of those
funds for that purpose?
Mr. Spino: You have to understand that's what we are doing.
If you are saying that we are deliberately saying well we
are going to do it but we are only going to buy equipment
with it, then you are wrong. As I said before, we will never
convince you, I won't argue the point anymore. If my colleagues
feel they should separate it into two ordinances or whatever,
fine. This is the third time I am saying it, we will never
Mr. Bonte: I presume that you are all convinced that we
need to spend this type of money and to put this type of
work effort into manicuring the fields. Is that correct?
President Scapicchio: That is not correct Mr. Bonte, I
think you missed the workshop where the topic was discussed.
Mr. Bonte: I was at the workshop.
President Scapicchio: I was the one individual that was
not in favor of purchasing equipment or doing it in house.
Mayor, you and I have had several discussions since I knew
that this subject was going to come up. Are you and your
Administration comfortable that you are following the letter
of the law and that the language within this ordinance is
appropriate and the use of the funds is appropriate as presented
to us tonight?
Mr. Bonte: Does anybody here this evening have a copy of
President Scapicchio: The second Ordinance Rich?
Mr. Bonte: The law that allows you to spend money on equipment.
Mr. Spino: The second referendum including purchase of
property and development of property.
Mr. Bonte: But that does not say equipment.
Mr. Spino: We are not buying equipment.
President Scapicchio: Earl I have a suggestion. I am going
to purpose that we continue this until October 29, 2002
which we will establish as a Public Meeting tonight.
Mr. Spino: On that, I was going to ask that we not have
a public meeting on the 29th. Mrs. Murphy is presenting
our Open Space proposal to the County. I would suggest that
at least two Council People be present at that because it
looks good and it puts your position in a favorable light
when you have Council people there to represent that position.
Since we are going to be begging for money, someone should
be there to represent the Township besides Mrs. Murphy and
the Open Space Committee. For that instance, I know am not
going to be here.
Mrs. Jenkins: If I could make a suggestion so we could
maybe move forward with this and not prolong it, I am proposing
that we take this ordinance off the table and that we go
back and amend ordinance 36-2000. That was the $5.9 million
funding that we had set up in 2000 for this project. We
have $200,000 available in that ordinance that we could
reapply towards this particular purchase of equipment.
President Scapicchio: Sherry, is your proposal to amend
the ordinance that is in front of us?
Mrs. Jenkins: I am saying to decline the ordinance that
is in front of you and in fact we go back and amend
President Scapicchio: So we are going to introduce a new
Mrs. Jenkins: Yes. We will introduce a new ordinance that
is in no way related to Open Space.
Mr. Rattner: That is what I mentioned before when I said
it's just really getting it in the right account. We have
$5.9 when we first went out for Turkey Brook. That is not
including the gifts, the grants and the sales that we have
accumulated another $500,00 - $700,000. Since the other
account, the $5.9 had nothing to do with Open Space, it
was strictly out of the general taxation, we take it out
of there. My concern was that which ever way we did it we
didn't take new money that we had to live within the budget
and then I said I would release both to buy equipment to
maintain it. That is what Mrs. Jenkins is suggesting.
Mrs. Jenkins: We are going to reallocate money that we
have already appropriated and apply it towards the purchase
of the equipment; which is what we were attempting to do
Mr. Greenbaum: The bottom line is you are still going to
be utilizing the $75,000 of Open Space money with regard
to the development of the park itself. It's really a matter
of semantics in terms of making sure that we are complying
with the law as Mr. Bonte sees it.
Mrs. Jenkins: Well if there is an uncomfortableness with
the amendment of this ordinance; either the original understanding
was that we were going to take the debt service from this
ordinance through Open Space Trust Fund, so if we just decline
this and go the route that I am suggesting; yes.
Mr. Bonte: Can I also just suggest that if you are going
to spend the money and I don't know what it is costing to
have the Township web site, that we make sure that the information
on that website is accurate?
President Scapicchio: Thank you Rich. Anyone else from
the Public? Seeing none. We will close the public hearing
on this ordinance.
Mr. Guenther moved for the adoption and final passage of
Ordinance #40-2002; Mr. Ratter seconded the motion.
Mayor Licitra: Jim advises me that we have favorable rates
on the equipment and the Administration would like this
dealt with next week. If we could put the other portion
of the amendment on for next week so that we could get it
started; we don't loose that favorable status.
President Scapicchio: Mayor I am not sure we are going
to have a quorum to be able to do that, are we? We need
four to introduce it. We could put it on if we have the
appropriate number of members, we could move it Mayor.
Mayor Licitra: Could you please ask the Council if anybody
is going to be absent next week unbeknownced the sicknesses
President Scapicchio: Anyone on the Council have any intentions
of not being here next week? That is four people that are
not going to be here Mayor.
Mr. Guenther: Mr. President, may I make a suggestion?
President Scapicchio: Sure.
Mr. Guenther: Kathy, what time were you planning to be
Mrs. Murphy: We start at 8:35.
Mr. Guenther: Is there any way that we can start our Township
Council meeting earlier and vote on this particular ordinance?
So to start the Council Meeting at 7:00 and put the vote
on this Ordinance at the beginning of the meeting so we
who are planning to attend the Freeholder Open Space Meeting
can have enough time to go to Morristown.
President Scapicchio: I will talk to Lisa and we will try
to arrange that Bernie. I will try to arrange something
to accommodate everybody.
Mrs. Miller: Could I have a clarification of what the motion
President Scapicchio: We have got this ordinance on the
table; the consensus is that it is going to be defeated.
The Administration is going to draft a new ordinance.
Mrs. Miller: Please just answer my question. Is the motion
to vote to defeat it or is the motion to vote to approve
President Scapicchio: There is a motion to get this on
the table but we are going to vote against it. That is what
we are going to do.
Mrs. Miller: I just wanted to know because sometimes we
motion to table.
ROLL CALL: Defeated
Ord. #41-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive
Establishing Linwood Road as One Way during Certain Designated
President Scapicchio: Would anyone from the Public like
to comment on this Ordinance?
Jim Buell, 7 Linwood Rd. Budd Lake: I submitted to the
Council a letter asking questions related to this particular
ordinance. Last year I opposed a similar Ordinance, I oppose
this ordinance. I oppose this ordinance because I don't
think there is anything that has improved the safety related
to the pedestrians and the people arriving at that school
by making Linwood Avenue a one way street. For instance,
this particular ordinance does nothing to address the major
problem. If anybody was there to for the back to school
night last Thursday night, the street was parked on both
sides of the street. Jameson was parked both sides of the
street, Knollwood was parked both sides of the street at
8:00 at night and there was still three or four cars driving
around looking for a parking place, that's the problem.
That is one of the major safety areas where this ordinance
doesn't even talk about. Secondly, the problem during the
daytime exists for about 20 minutes a day; 3:10 until about
3:45 in the afternoon. Beyond that, there is no safety problem
related to Linwood Ave. To expect the people who live on
Linwood Ave and we are the only 10, or 12 houses of people
who are involved in this other than the people who arrive
to pick up and drop off their kids to go one way sometimes
and not one way at other times for instance; one of the
questions that I asked last year the summer school; last
year they had summer school at Mountain View school which
lasted through, I think mid July. So, now we are talking
about a one way street, 10.5 months of the year from 8:00
- 4:00 pm Monday through Friday, not extending through the
evening hours. What's the use? If we are going to have an
ordinance, lets make it one way and make it permanently
one way all the time. Then there is no confusion, for instance,
one of the questions I asked is what did we do on Columbus
Day. Children were present, there was no school in session,
however the teachers were there. Is it a one way or not?
What do we do on a day when we have a cancellation of school,
for instance on an inclement whether day, is it one way
or is it not one way? What about days when school is only
scheduled for half a day? Again there is no answer at least
in terms of this particular in terms of what we are supposed
to do in those particular cases.
Last year I strongly argued that if you are going to make
Linwood Ave. a one way you, should make Linwood Ave one
way westbound. The opposite of what is proposed here and
was proposed last year. Why is that? Well, if you look at
the school and you make this one way westbound, the 125
cars arriving in the morning, people could come into the
school driveway, go through the school driveway and exit
out on to Clover Hill Drive, the distance of about 250 feet.
Instead when we go eastbound with this, all of the cars
are going to have to go through this driveway and exit down
Linwood Ave. through Knollwood and up Jameson. That means
everyday in the morning and in the afternoon between 3:00
and 3:15 and about 3:45 we will have 150 cars going up Jameson
Ave. So what we have done is transferred the problem from
Linwood Ave. to some extent and put it on to the people
at Jameson. One of the questions I would like to ask the
Council, when you notify people, spending $50.00 to notify
us about this meeting in order to get this Ordinance passed,
did anybody notify the people on Jameson, Edgewood, Allison
and Collingswood; that this was going to affect them, because
that is where the real problem is going to be. You are now
going to force all of these people coming into this complex
back through those back streets. Now the other concern I
have is, has anybody been up there and looked at this at
3:50 in the afternoon? Is the Police Department going to
enforce the new parking up here in the circle? Where the
real safety problem is this; you have the top of the parking
lot up here 27 feet wide. There are no parking signs. Every
single day cars are parked bumper to bumper in both of those
zones. There is a no parking zone here and a no parking
zone here. Cars are parked bumper to bumper in there. That
is where the safety problem exists. Now the other problem
that exists is here. There are five parking places around
this circle, the macadam is only 20 feet from the end of
these front end parking spaces on this side, that's completely
parked and again what you have is a real major problem right
there at that driveway. If you are talking about a safety
problem, that is where it exists. The way to correct that
is to make these three spaces up here which are now parked
all day long, which are all these parking spaces, part of
the solution is to make these three spaces no parking. Allow
people to pick up and drop off their kids up here right
in front of the school. My other concern with the Ordinance
is I have lived in this house for almost 30 years. There
is a major problem at the bottom portion of Linwood Ave.
and at the bottom portion of Jamison Ave. when we have inclement
weather during the winter. The first problem that exists
is there is a walkway here which is the only safe way for
pedestrians and I am talking about 30 pedestrians in the
morning and about 30 in the afternoon, which have to walk;
the only safe way for them to exist the school to walk back
into the sub-division. If you go down this walk way right
here on this eastern portion of this sidewalk down here.
The problem with it is there's the sewer drainage down here.
There's been a 10 or 15 foot easement for sewer and the
water drainage. That's never plowed. So we plow it on the
first morning. The school pushes all the snow down and dumps
it in that drainage easement. The person who lives here
who is a widow, she shovels her sidewalks. Then for the
next 6 months in one case, this pile of snow sat there and
no- body could exit there. So basically what you have to
do is you have all these 30 residents or pedestrians walking
out into this icy slippery street while all of these cars
are going down. The second problem is the school does plow
that sidewalk the first morning, but then after the first
morning they don't do anything. Why? Because nobody could
walk on it. That sidewalk is icy. The second problem is
that both the intersection of Jameson and Knollwood and
Linwood and Knollwood, the other two major drainage problems.
Those two intersections are almost and completely iced over
when ever it's cold and there is wet on the ground. Yet
we are going to run many more cars through this sub division
as a result. Obviously I am against this Ordinance. I think
there is a more effective way of doing this if possibly
eliminate all of the cars, or eliminate the evening problem,
it doesn't involve this ordinance in which you could run
the cars east or westbound, but it's a much simpler solution
that exists. That is very simple, all that has to be done
is at the corner of Jameson and Knollwood, you place a do
not enter sign right here at Knollwood and Jameson. That
effectively stops all of the cars from going this way. Then
if you put a no right hand turn at each of these driveways
to the school permanently full time forever, you have effectively
made Linwood Ave. a one way street with out making it a
one way street. That also allows the residents of Linwood
Ave. to park in their driveways and once they get into their
driveways to go which ever way they would. There is a very
simple solution that solves the night time problem, I think
there is a better flow of traffic in terms of making a west
bound road east bound. I think it was not considered, unfortunately.
I asked the police at the conclusion at the last Council
Meeting the last time this ordinance was presented, the
police contacted me, I made the suggestion, I made two follow
up calls to the Police Department, never received a call
back. I heard by mistake that this ordinance was back on
the agenda. Thank you very much.
President Scapicchio: You did not hear that by mistake,
we purposely noticed the Linwood residents.
Mr. Buell: You gave me one week and I tried to come up
to the meeting last Tuesday night and it was cancelled.
President Scapicchio: We took extra steps above and beyond
what's required to make sure the residents knew this was
one the table.
Mr. Buell: Did you tell the people on Jameson?
President Scapicchio: I don't know what the mailing list
was. I know the Clerk was instructed to notice by letter
the affected individuals and I believe that they were only
the residents on Linwood.
Mr. Buell: Thank you.
President Scapicchio: Thank you. Anyone else from the public?
Richard Bonte, Budd Lake: I spoke out regarding this ordinance
when it was back here a year ago and I really don't see
much difference in what is being proposed here. It still
has the vague wording and it's just going to become confusing
to people and be the source of people receiving summonses
for not knowing what is going on. It's as vague as the sign
we have in front of every school now, speed limit 25 mph
when children are present. You wouldn't be able to find
any two people that agree on what present means. But to
have us think that during those periods of time which Mountain
View School is open and specifically 8:00 am through 4:00
pm together with certain notice/specific recommendations
that appropriate signage. Is the appropriate signage going
to list every specific holiday and day that the school is
not and is open and what days you can and can't. I think
this gentleman had some good ideas regarding the do not
enter signs, and no right turn signs. Another alternative
would be at the intersection of Jameson Place and Knollwood,
to have a sign with flashing lights and the control of that
sign be from school and that the appropriate times of day
the lights will go on and the sign can say do not enter
when lights are flashing. Just like many school zones have
signs that say speed limit 25 mph when lights are flashing.
It makes a lot more sense than the vague signage that say
when children are present. The last thing we want to do
is be vague. We don't want people in there when they shouldn't
be in there when there could be a safety hazard and we don't
want to restrict traffic when it is not necessary to restrict
it. If there is a period of time in the morning and a period
of time in the afternoon when the lights need to be on,
the school officials can turn the switch on and that switch
can be designed in a fashion so that it will only be on
for a period of time so we don't have to remind somebody
to shut them off. But I think you need to come up with a
much more specific way of making a street one way. Otherwise
just make it one way all the time. But to have it be one
way at certain times of the day and then we all have to
know the school calendar, is beyond me. Not opposed to the
concept of what you are trying to do. We really need to
make sure that it is done properly so that everybody has
a full understanding of when they can't go two ways on that
President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the public?
Jim Sprague 5 Linwood Ave: My wife and I are probably the
prime instigators in trying to get this before the Council
and get it passed so I figured I should at least come up
here and let everybody see what I look like. I also came
up here this evening to support this ordinance as it was
written. Mr. Buell makes very very good points. I agree
that Linwood Road should be one way all the time; it avoids
the ambiguity. My preference would be eastbound. I have
no problem with westbound. Listening to what he said with
a circle there at the school, westbound probably makes as
much sense if not more. The part about the Ordinance that
bothers me is "and certain other designated signage
and times" I agree that it should be 24 hours a day,
7 days a week so that there is no ambiguity, signs could
be posted to say one thing. It may take us a couple of weeks
to slowly get used to it but we will get used to it and
I think it is a lot better. Thank you. We would like to
continue to have that no parking in that area right in front
of my house.
President Scapicchio: Thank you. Anyone else?
Colleen Labow, Third St. Budd Lake: I am to agree with
everything that's been said tonight. The time difference,
sometimes it's one way sometimes it's not really bothers
me. Just before they took away the HOV lane on Route 80
my son was driving down Route 80 and somebody was going
slow in the middle lane and he went into the left lane to
pass, got back in the middle and he got pulled over, he
got a ticket and it was 10 minutes after 3:00. He did not
have a clock in his car, he did not have a watch on and
he got a ticket because he went in the HOV lane at 3:10,
so that brings me a lot of concern as to who is really going
to be watching your clock.
The other problem that I really have with this having it
one way bringing all the cars in to the development is the
fact that there is a lot of children in that development.
Lots and lots of children and who's to say these people
are going to go down Linwood, make a left onto Knollwood
and then where are they going to go? They're going to race
down Knollwood, and then they are going to turn down another
street. They are going to be gabbing with their kids, the
kids will be fighting, they are not going to be paying attention
and little children are going to be playing in the street
while these people are not going to be paying attention
to where they are driving are going to be pushed into this
neighborhood and that really concerns me because I think
that creates more of a safety issue for the development
in that area.
President Scapicchio: Thank you, Colleen. Would anyone
else from the Public like to address this Ordinance?
Mr. Buell: Thank you. I would just like to add to my remarks
to the no parking as listed here, across the street, 5 Linwood
Ave. If this ordinance is amended in any way, I would really
like to see that stay completely a no parking area.
Mr. Guenther: Excuse me. Which area are you talking about?
Mr. Buell: Where it is angle parking now.
President Scapicchio: Thank you. Anyone else from the public?
Seeing none, we will close the Public Hearing.
Mr. Ratter moved for adoption and Final Passage of Ord.
#41-2002. Mr. Spino seconded the motion.
Lieutenant Beecher: First off, I appreciate the effort
on part of Mr. Buell and Mr. and Mrs. Sprague, we appreciate
your input. In regards to westerly traffic, we did look
into that but one of the reasons we wanted it to go east
was to pull traffic away from that intersection. I was down
there this morning and I think you would agree with me that
during the times that were in your letter, it becomes a
bit of a log jam on Linwood when you have parking on both
sides of the road, and you have cars making a left or right
on Clover Hill, and then cars going west, some cars have
to stop to allow others to pass, it gets backed. Additionally
when the crossing guard stops traffic on Clover Hill, it
blocks that intersection. When we have people that want
to leave Linwood, they have to stop and when the crossing
guard moves, traffic wants to turn left right onto Linwood,
once again we have a log jam there. We wanted to pull traffic
away from that intersection towards Jameson. It is our experience
with accidents that the cause of most accidents is driver
inattention. So we wanted to increase the flow there where
it seems to be pretty natural right now where people are
making left or right turns and going east. As far as the
confusion, there is room for confusion in this Statute for
sure but I think the intent was to minimize any inconvenience
to the people on Linwood. We would certainly support a year
round, or September through June 8:00 to 4:00 24 hours a
President Scapicchio: I think it also needs to be noticed
that this is a recommendation that the Police Department
has made after a thorough review twice over. If once adopted,
we see that it needs to be modified or they sort of need
to tweek the program a bit we could certainly do that. We
are not closing the door forever.
Mr. Spino: I was just going to say very simply that if
people in the area are not upset with the fact that it would
be a one way all the time then maybe that is what we should
do. It makes it so much simpler to do that. I think if that
was the case and that's what we decide to do that we make
sure that we notify everybody in the area, not just the
Linwood residents but the other residents on Knollwood and
Jameson. That might be the better way to go, eliminate it
Mr. Rattner: We have been discussing this now I guess over
the course of probably two months over the course of the
last year. The first time it got defeated because I did
not like the idea of an hour or so in the morning, an hour
in the afternoon and I did not like the signage. I figured
that was really too much confusion. I did support having
it 7 by 24 just to eliminate it once people get used to
the traffic flow they will go that way. I know from the
first time we discussed this, the police actually talked
to about different residences, so it was more than just
Linwood. They gave it and they had a breakdown where a lot
of people did not like the idea of having it 24 hours a
day. I think what the Police tried doing was trying to solve
an immediate problem and satisfy or disrupt the lives as
few people as possible. The couple hours a day because I
could not get my moveable signs or something to block the
traffic. I think it would cause even a bigger problem, and
I think we compromised because we were discussing with justification
and did not want to go against a recommendation of the Police.
They are the trained people, they have taken the classes,
they know exactly what to look for and we came up with this
one that is from 8:00 - 4:00 pm just at least so we have
a set time because that was before school opens, because
after it leaves. Now I wouldn't have a problem going to
24/7 but I think everybody in that area has acknowledged
there is a problem and I would at least like to get something
up. If it looks like the 8:00 to 4:00 is not working that
we modify it making it 7 by 24. My first preference, I think
we came to an agreement that this was something that we
could agree on and move forward on and I think at this point
lets move forward with it, at least see if the people start
learning what problems it causes. If we find out that Jameson
becomes a mess, maybe we will realize that we have to do
something else other than just change the hours.
Mr. Greenbaum: I disagree with Steve, I agree with Mr.
Buell that it should be full time, one way. I believe with
the Police Department that it should be full time one way
easterly even though it forces whatever cars will go through
the neighborhood. I believe if you went westerly you would
cause horrific traffic problems on Clover Hill Drive and
Linwood Drive and in that traffic circle because you would
not have any access at all once you have reached the school.
Linwood would allow you to at least move down the line and
allow cars to move down the line. If we are trying to eliminate
ambiguity, Mr. Buell's other idea of putting the do not
enter signs where he had suggested, I do not believe that
creates additional ambiguity. If you have Linwood Ave. residents
going both ways on the street, you would be having people
doing k-turns on Linwood Ave. possibly because it would
be a two way street so I don't think that really eliminates
the problem, I think that the best solution is to just have
it one way, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, and make it
Mr. Perkins: I would entertain asking the Police Department
to go back and look at the other schools in the Township,
this will now be the second time Mr. President that we have
been addressing one ways, no parking, moving people from
parking on one street or another whether it be at the high
school and now we are over here it's Mountain View. If we
take a look at all the schools, kind of see what type of
pattern we have down there. I would sure like to know what
else is happening. I don't want to keep addressing this
every few months, we are going to find out now there is
a problem at Sandshore School, and then we are going to
find out there is a problem at Tinc School and were going
to keep finding out that there's problems, I mean where
you drop off children there are problems
That is the
nature of the beast. It's what happens. I agree it should
be one way seven days a week, lets not confuse the people
any more than absolutely necessary. If we are going to put
up no parking signs, it's no parking all the time or do
we make it Monday through Friday like we did up at the high
school? If you get somebody at a party on a Saturday you
want to make sure they are in a legal parking spot, if they
decide to park in that abandoned area directly across from
your house. There are areas Dave, that we need to think
about when we look at these schools. I just don't want to
keep readdressing the same animal every single time. Officer,
you have no issues at Tinc, Sandshore, everybody is fine,
it works better.
Lieutenant Beecher: You are always going to have problems
on back to school night. Areas are not meant to accommodate
a vast number of people, so those are rare circumstances
that we have to deal with . The situation at Mountain View
is unique, it concerns our schools in Town.
Mr. Perkins: Your department then would be in agreement
then that 24 hours a day 7 days a week would be the best.
Lieutenant Beecher: We want it to be as clear as possible,
we don't want there to be confusion on the part of people;
I believe it was an attempt on all our parts to try to minimize
the inconvenience to the people on Linwood. Certainly if
you are only 100ft. on Clover Hill and you have always been
able to make the right to go out to the street you are not
going to be happy when the Police Department says we want
you to go left and up Jameson. We could absolutely understand
that. The situation there is such that it needs to be addressed.
We believe that this is the safest way to do that.
Mr. Perkins: So being creatures of habit, 21 days will
be in the new habit and we will all make the right turns.
Lieutenant Beecher: Like I said we can certainly understand
wanting to make that right around Clover Hill, but the way
the traffic flows right now, most people are coming down
Linwood swinging into the parking lot and coming back out,
when they could just make that right and go down 200 feet
and make the left onto Jameson.
Mr. Perkins: Thank you.
Mrs. Miller: I have been a school bus driver for 23 years
and I have driven to all of our schools and we have a great
deal of problems at each and every one of the schools and
I have seen parents do some really crazy things. I guess
the mentality of the parent is oh my god, my kid missed
the school bus, I got to get him to school as fast as I
can. They see that front door and they are going to get
their kid as close to that front door no matter what obstacles
are in front of them I have seen parents drive over grass.
I have seem them go around the school buses while we have
had our stop signs out while we were unloading. I have seen
parents drive over sidewalks. I have seen them back up.
I have seen them back into buses, scrape along the sides
of buses. You name it, I have seen it and no matter what
we do it is going to be confusion in the beginning. I know
this has been discussed several times. I think Mr. Buell's
ideas are excellent, but I think I would like to go with
the recommendation of our Police Department because they
have studied this now for several months and this is the
second proposal. I would like to get something on the record
to help the school bus drivers in that area and like Dave
said we can always re-evaluate again and make revisions,
but I like the idea of starting out with a time frame and
if it doesn't work out going to a one way. I think the recommendation
from the Police Department to keep it in an easterly is
just going with the mentality of the drivers because if
they get to that spot and find out that they can only come
out of that street and not into it, it is only going to
cause more confusion. Right now they are going down that
street and back up that street and that's the problem is
going back up and down the street. I am in favor of the
proposal as it is but I think we have gotten some excellent
Mr. Spino: First of all I would ask Mr. Perkins to reconsider.
I agree every school is unique in itself and I would agree
with Mrs. Kelly that all our problems would be if the one
at Linwood is unique to that situation. Secondly, the police
had said that they are not opposed to having it one way
24 hours a day, seven days a week. What they are doing is
trying to make it as easy as possible on the people in the
area and the people that are going back and forth to the
school. So if we made it 24 hours a day, seven days a week,
it is not going against the recommendation, I would call
it a secondary recommendation to make it 24 hours a day,
seven days a week. I don't think we would be going against
the Police recommendation which is what I thought the last
time, but I would support it 24/7.
Mr. Guenther: 24/7 I am in agreement with that, I just
want to make a comment about the East vs. West. I think
that it doesn't really resolve the issue of traffic through
the development. Whether coming out or coming in, they are
going to come in on Jameson and Collingswood and so forth
and come up on Knollwood, so I don't think that is a very
good argument. So I would agree with the east going out
and notifying and I think we should notify all the residents.
The only concern I have is Mr. Buell's comment about the
snow removal at the corner of Linwood and Knollwood. If
that is a major issue that snow accumulates, especially
that one winter where we had a tough winter where it all
froze and it didn't disappear for several months I believe.
Mr. Buell: That snow at the bottom of Jameson and Linwood
is a Major problem, right in the middle of the street.
Mr. Guenther: Is there anything we would do about that?
Is that the schools jurisdiction? Do they plow that street
to keep it clear?
Mr. Spino: No, we plow it.
Mr. Buell: It is not a question of plowing, if you plow
it, it's clear. Then you get ice melt, and the unfortunate
problem is that you've got two drains at the bottom of Linwood
Ave. that actually are the drains for most of Jameson and
most of Knollwood and that comes right down and lays across
Jameson, they plow and the next day you have sheer ice across
the intersection of Linwood and Knollwood. That is a major
Mr. Guenther: We have ourPublic Works Director here, I
would like to address that question to him. If there is
some way we could find to resolve that, I don't know if
you have to come in with a backhoe and haul it away, dump
it in the woods or something like that to get it off the
road so that you don't have that kind of melting and icing
Mark DiGennaro, Director of Public Works: We're going to
get together on this.
Mr. Guenther: Okay great. Thanks, Mark.
Mr. Rattner: I guess we keep losing time. I don't know
what happened from our workshop when we had the discussion
about the 24/7. It sounds like now there is an agreement
on 24/7. I am now going to vote against this ordinance so
we can reintroduce it and get it right. It is the simplest
in signage; unless we get an uprising from other residents
that really have a major problem, I think simple makes sense
and I think it would be best for everybody involved after
the first couple weeks and everybody gets used to it. I
got used to the extra 10 minutes it takes me to get to 206
when Goldmine was made a dead end.
Mr. Buell: Two other minor problems we have if you make
it one way 24/7. First of all is the mail person. If you
make it eastbound I think the mail person is going to have
a very hard time delivering mail down Linwood Road.
President Scapicchio: They'll work that out.
Mr. Buell: The other problem we have is about 5 five times
a week you have 12 and 16 wheel tractor trailers coming
in there to that school. If you make this thing one way
24/7 you are going to have problems with tractor trailers
that size coming down any of those other streets particularly
in the snow and ice and making that turn.
Mr. Rattner: What time do the trucks usually get there?
Mr. Buell: Anywhere from 3:00am to 6:00am. The milk delivery,
the food delivery comes in I think three or four times a
Mr. Spino: They deliver with tractor-trailers?
Mr. Buell: Yes. There is one 16 wheeler and one 12 wheeler.
That's going to be a problem coming through there.
Mr. Guenther: Where do they deliver, through that through
that parking area?
Mr. Buell: Yes. It gets delivered to the loading dock at
the back of the school in that parking area.
Mr. Guenther: Could they make another access for the school
from the other side?
Mr. Buell: Not really. That's the problem.
President Scapicchio: Thank you. I would like to make the
recommendation that we vote in favor of this Ordinance,
the Police Department has done a review, the purpose is
to create a safer position over there for the parents and
the students. If it needs to be modified after this is implemented
they could certainly come back and make a recommendation
and we could look at it that time. But I think we need to
get something in the works sooner rather than later.
ROLL CALL: Defeated Mr. Rattner - No
Mr. Greenbaum - No
Mr. Perkins - Yes
Mrs. Miller - Yes
Mr. Spino - No
Mr. Guenther - No
Mr. Scapicchio - Yes
President Scapicchio: The Ordinance is defeated.
Mr. Greenbaum: I would like Mr. King to bring that back
with the wording to read
Mr. King: That the street will be a one way, seven days,
5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Establishing October 29, 2002, as a Special
Mr. Greenbaum moved Resolution No. 5; Mr. Rattner seconded
Mr. Spino: I would suggest that we do not schedule this
meeting, if you start it earlier that might work out.
President Scapicchio: Earl would it be your preference
that we don't so that you could be here.
Mr. Spino: I am only one; I am suggesting that there are
other people that might not be here that night unless you
change the time.
President Scapicchio: Mayor, is time of the essence with
regard to this. Is it your position that I need to try and
make sure that we have a quorum on October 29, 2002 to move
this. Is that your position?
Mayor Licitra: I would suggest that.
President Scapicchio: I will try to work out scheduling
this an hour earlier with Lisa so that we can make sure
that we have four members here. Over the next day or two,
I will get back to you.
ROLL CALL: Pass Unanimously
President Scapicchio: Council Comments anyone? Seeing none.
1. Approval of Raffle Application #1048 for the Lions Club
of Mt. Olive.
Mr. Perkins moved for the approval of Raffle Application
#1048; Mr. Guenther seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Scapicchio: Okay going back to resolution No.
1, Charlene would you like to move that for us please?
1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Commending Kathryn "Sweets" Hannon
on Twenty-One Years of Outstanding Service to the Township.
Mrs. Miller moved of Resolution No. 1; Mr. Perkins seconded
WHEREAS, Kathryn "Sweets" Hannon was hired by
the Township of Mt. Olive as a police dispatcher in Janurary
of 1992 and has with great commitment served the Township
diligently and passionately since that point in time and
WHEREAS Kathryn "Sweets" Hannon has served as
an emergency medical dispatcher, fire service dispatcher,
handled every imaginable emergency and call and every imaginable
emergency situation and done so with dedication and precise
WHEREAS, Kathryn "Sweets" Hannon has served
the Township with considerable expertise and concern in
every conceivable situation for which the Mayor and Council,
the Police Department and the citizens of Mt. Olive wish
to express their gratitude and
WHEREAS, the citizens of Mt. Olive and the Police Department
are dependent upon a high standard of serviced as could
be expected from Kathryn "Sweets" Hannon and;
WHEREAS, Kathryn "Sweets" Hannon has served the
Township for 21 years demonstrating her obvious expertise
in emergency service and;
NOW, THERFORE BE IT RESOLVED, by the Township Council
of the Township of Mt. Olive that it does herby wish to
thank Kathryn "Sweets" Hannon on behalf of all
the citizens of the Township for the Years of outstanding
dedication and service to the Township for 21 years and
to wish her the very best, and happiness and good health
President Scapicchio: Thank you Charlene. Anyone from the
Richard Bonte, Budd Lake: Regarding the Special Public
Meeting next week, is that specifically for one issue or
will it be a "Public Meeting".
President Scapicchio: It will be a Public Meeting, Rich.
The meeting last week was canceled and I believe Lisa had
some other agenda items that need to be addressed.
Mr. Bonte: Is that meeting going to start at 6:30?
President Scapicchio: I don't know yet Rich, I need to
try to work out the details with Lisa.
Mr. Bonte: What are the notification requirements?
President Scapicchio: I am not exactly sure what they are
but I need to go over that with Lisa.
Mr. King: You have to notify the paper three days before
which can be done. She would have to specify that our discussion
of the ordinance is going to be on for that meeting as well.
President Scapicchio: Rich, it is my goal to try to make
sure that we could get four members here at 6:30 on the
Mr. Bonte: Will that be for the just for the introduction
of that Ordinance and then the regular meeting starts at
7:30 or are you going to actually start the whole meeting
at 6:30? I am just trying to find out when members of the
Public who are here now
President Scapicchio: Rich, I would say that if we get
here at 6:30, we will start the meeting at 6:30 and the
first item on that agenda would be the introduction of this
amended/new ordinance and we would continue whatever other
business is on the agenda right through.
Mr. Bonte: Will this be posted on the website?
Mr. King: The Meeting will be noticed in accordance with
the Open Public Meetings Act.
Motion made for adjournment. All in Favor, none opposed.
The Meeting was Adjourned at 10:05 pm.
I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount
Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a
true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally
convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly
held on January 14, 2003.
LISA M. LASHWAY
Mount Olive Township Clerk