Township Council Minutes
January 15, 2002
The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was
called to order at 7:30 pm by Council President Rattner with
the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
MOMENT OF SILENCE
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice
of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle
and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at
in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt.
Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting
ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller,
Mr. Rattner, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Spino.
Absent: Mr. Perkins
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GRANT APPLICATION PRESENTATION
Kathy Murphy: Good evening. Community Development Grants
are due on the January 25th of this year and we are eligible
to apply in three categories. It is required by Community
Development that we discuss the applications at a Public Meeting
and authorize me to file the grants. One of the three categories
that we can file in are the improvements category. We have
chosen to look into painting the Village Green Water Tank.
We can request $100,000 and it is generally a project that
goes about $200,000 in total costs. That is something that
the DPW has put into this years Budget. It would entail going
in, stripping any lead paint, and refitting it inside and
outside and bringing up to OSHA requirements. This will be
a similar project to what was requested for the Oakwood Village
Water Tank that was done a couple of years ago. This is the
same application that we filed last year. We missed by one
last year. They encouraged us to come back again this year.
They thought it was a good project. They just had more applications
that were more of an emergency nature that were before them.
So we would like to refile virtually the same report. The
second application is $100,000 for technology wiring for the
Library. The technology wiring is a portion of the Library's
requirements that the grant that was not funded in the grant
and it is also a portion that the Township is not paying for.
The Library is responsible for raising the money for that
activity. The Library is eligible to file requests $100,000,
they can go in as the applicant. We'll see if we can get wiring
for all the computers, terminals and all the wiring into the
building for that activity. The third activity is in the services
category, we are eligible to request $50,000 for services.
Mt. Olive Health Department is trying to buy a new senior
bus. They have budgeted for a bus and a new van this year.
They have also budgeted for a driver. One of the things I
was surprised to learn when I looked at their statistics over
the last five years is in 10 years our senior population has
increased 2.9%. In five years the ridership has increased
140%. We have greatly increased our services for senior citizens
going to and from the Nutrition Center to the Senior Center
and for grocery shopping. We have not been able to keep up
pace with services such as getting them to the bank, the post
office and for other shopping duties and for other activities.
That is mainly because the buses that we have right now do
not have the capacity, they have higher mileage and they are
just in the shop to frequently to be able to provide all of
those services. So if we apply for this obviously there is
no guarantees. In this one category, even though the buses
are eligible they have tentative favor, they do favor homeless
programs, shelters and everything, but we really thing that
this has the data to back up that need. We would like to apply
in all three categories and see what we can do. I have checked
it out with Community Development. They say all of those projects
are eligible, they thought they were very good, but I could
not convince them to write a check right then and there, so
we are going to have to apply.
President Scapicchio: Any questions for Kathy? So what do
you need us to do Kathy, a Resolution?
Mrs. Murphy: All I need to do is basically if you just take
a roll call that you authorize me to file the applications,
that you approve of that and that the Public is aware of those
applications, then I could go ahead and file them.
WHEREAS Mrs. Kathy Murphy has appeared before the Township
Council this evening for the purpose of describing the three
specific Community Development Grant Applications she wishes
to file with the County, namely a grant for senior bus, a
grant for painting the water tank at Village Green, and a
grant for a $100,000 for Library Technology wiring; and
WHEREAS the matter has been discussed at a Public Meeting
and the Township Council believes that these are appropriate
applications for the categories for which they may be filed
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED by the Township Council, Township
of Mt. Olive does hereby authorize and direct Mrs. Murphy
as Grant Coordinator to proceed to file those applications
and pursue the grants.
Mrs. Miller seconded the motion on the above read Resolution.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
President Scapicchio: New for 2002 we have a Public Comment
Period at the beginning. The Public still has an opportunity
to comment throughout the course of the meeting, and again
at the end. This is just an added opportunity so with that
I will open it to the Public for any comments. Seeing none,
we will close the Public Portion of this meeting.
Mayor Licitra: I have one Proclamation if I may. This is
honoring Brian Joseph Morris.
WHEREAS, on Saturday January 19, 2002 the Eagle Scout Community
will hold a ceremony elevate to Brian Joseph Morris to rank
of Eagle Scout and
WHEREAS, Brian Joseph Morris represents the rare two percent
of scouts who obtain this coveted award and
WHEREAS, Brian Joseph Morris Eagle Scout Project was an environmental
ecosystem improvements project which consisted of building
an 18 ft. long bridge over the reservoir spillway, and the
removal and collection of debris trimming of overgrown brush,
weeds and shrubs within the reservoir area located in the
community of Mt. Olive and;
WHEREAS, through his achievement, he has shown leadership
devotion to duty and is an example of the best of our youth
WHEREAS Mt. Olive Township wishes to properly recognize and
commend Brian Joseph Morris on this outstanding achievement.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED, that I, Paul R. Licitra;
Mayor of Mt. Olive Township do hereby proclaim Saturday January
19, 2002 as Brian Joseph Morris Day in Mt. Olive Township.
Mrs. Miller: That's very nice I've had the privilege of walking
across that bridge. It is a very nice bridge. It is down by
the Hackettstown Reservoir.
President Scapicchio: Where exactly?
Mrs. Miller: Do you know where Old Mine Road is? It goes
down to Hackettstown. It has been closed off. If you park
there, there is a little place that you could pull over and
you follow the road down it takes you right over the little
bridge and there is a nice waterfall down there too.
President Scapicchio: Thank you.
Mr. Greenbaum: I have one question for the Administration.
I know that we have received an update from Mark DiGennaro.
Some time ago we had discussed D2L Associates, I am wondering
if we could get an update on what steps are being taken to
have someone from the Administration get licensed as a Grade
2 Facility Operator? If you don't know that answer, if you
can get the answer for the next meeting so that when the renewal
of the D2L contract comes up I feel that I have been informed
throughout the process.
Mr. Guenther: Also for the Administration. I would just like
to know what the status of the Turkey Brook time table is?
Are they meeting all the deadlines?
Mayor Licitra: I was hoping that we take that up when the
recreation report comes, but since you brought it up. We are
going to have a meeting on Tuesday. All the deadlines are
met. We did get some information from Olympus as far as costing
is concerned. I was very pleased with it. We are going to
get the packet. I
Mayor Licitra (cont'd): am going to be out next week, but
there will be a meeting on Tuesday with the Turkey Brook Committee.
They will discuss it, and we'll come back to you with a report
on it. Whatever members are from the Board will come back
with a report on it. We are on time Bernie.
President Scapicchio: Just as long as we are stuck on Administrative
matters, I would just like to note for Public purpose that
the Mayor and Administration did indeed present us with their
2002 Budget on time this evening. Mayor, Lisa reminded me
that we usually put a copy on file at the Library and I gave
the Clerk's Office Ray Perkins copy, so if we could get one
more copy for Ray Perkins for when he gets back from his business
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS:
Jan 8, 2002 CS Present: Mr. Rattner, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Perkins,
Mrs. Miller, Mr. Spino, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio
Nov 27, 2001 Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Sohl,
Mrs. Miller, Mr. Spino, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner
Dec 4, 2001 Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Sohl,
Mrs. Miller, Mr. Spino, Mr. Scapicchio
Absent: Mr. Rattner
Mr. Spino moved for approval of the Minutes and Mrs. Miller
seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the following exceptions:
Mr. Rattner voted no on December 4, 2001
Mr. Greenbaum abstained on November 27 and December 4, 2001
Resolution, Ordinances, Correspondence from Other municipalities
1. Letter received December 17, 2001, from James and Tracey
Stackhouse regarding entering 11 Old Budd lake Road.
League of Municipalities
2. E-mail received December 14, 2001, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities regarding League Legislative
E-Line Alert for December 14th.
3. E-mail received December 18, 2001, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities regarding League Legislative
E-Line for December 18.
4. Legislative Bulletin received December 20, 2001, from
the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Bills
that were enacted as Public Laws of 2001.
5. E-mail received December 21, 2001, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities regarding Legislature "Fast
Tracks" Trash Tax Bill.
6. Letter received January 3, 2002, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding "School Board Recognition
7. E-mail received January 4, 2002, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding League Legislative E-line
for January 4th.
8. E- mail received January 8, 2002, from New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding Access to Records Reform,
Mandatory Paid Leave, Clean Communities, Pension Parity for
Vets, Quarries and Mines and Solid Waste Funding.
9. Letter received January 11, 2002, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities regarding 2002 Legislative
10. Letter received January 3, 2002, from the Musconetcong
Sewerage Authority regarding a list of allocations for the
participating municipalities in the 3.623 MGD Water Pollution
11. Newsletter received January 2, 2002, from Council on
Affordable Housing regarding setting up dates for Focus Groups,
Certifications and Two Freehold Township RCA's.
DOT / DEP / Permit's / LOI's
12. Notice received December 14, 2001, from NJ Transit regarding
Proposed Bus, Rail, Newark City Subway, Hudson Bergen Light
Rail, Bus Contract Carriers fare policy and fare increase
13. Letter received December 18, 2001, from the State of
New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding
a Permit for the Mount Olive Township Water Department.
14. Letter received December 20, 2001, from the State of
New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection regarding
Authorization for Freshwater Wetlands Statewide General Permit
No. 11 and Water Quality Certification. Applicant: Rose Manor
Estates, Inc. Block 7702, Lots 16,26,27,& 28 (Old Lakeview
Estates, now subdivision) / Block 2700, Lot 5 Route 46 (bog).
15. Request for Letter of Interpretation received December
21, 2001, from Potenta Environmental Consultants, L.L.C. Block
5300 - Lot 14 (220 Route 206).
16. Letter received December 21, 2001, from the State of
New Jersey, Department of Transportation regarding Speed Limit
along Route I-80 in the Township of Mount olive, Morris County.
17. Letter received January 3, 2002, from the State of New
Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Letter
of Interpretation - Line Verification / Applicant: Gen III
Builders Block 7801, Lot 41 (Mount Olive Road)
18. Letter received January 3, 2002, from the State of New
Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Letter
of Interpretation - Presence / Absence Determination Applicant:
Commerce Bank Block 8301, Lot 14,15,&16 (388,392,396 Route
19. Letter received January 7, 2002, from the State of New
jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Authorization
for Freshwater Wetlands Statewide General Permit No. 2 Applicant:
Twp. Of Mount Olive Block 7600 Lot 23 (Wyndham Pointe)
20. Letter received January 9, 2002, from Ecol Science regarding
Application for Statewide General Permits No. 6 and No. 20
and Transition Area Averaging Plan Block 104, Lot 1 (100 International
21. Letter received January 9, 2002, from the State of New
Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Letter
of Interpretation - Line Verification Applicant: Gen III Builders
Block 7801, Lot 41 (Mt. Olive Road).
Correspondence from Legislative Representatives
22. E-mail received December 14, 2001, from Congressman Frelinghuysen
regarding Tax Relief for Victims and Families of 9/11 Attack.
23. Letter received December 20, 2001, from Assemblyman Bagger
regarding Assembly Bill 3366/Senate Bill 1099 which modifies
the time of decision rule and period of protection for certain
24. Letter received December 27, 2001, from Acting Governor
Donald T. DiFrancesco regarding Res. A1420.
25. Letter received January 2, 2002, from Assemblyman Bagger
regarding Assembly Bill 1420 which limits the duration of
construction permits under certain circumstances.
26. Letter received January 9, 2002, from Assemblyman Garrett
regarding a Resolution in Regard to Assembly Bill 3919 (assisting
Municipalities in budgeting for the high rising cost for health
insurance premiums and preparation for responses to terrorist
threats and incidents).
Correspondence from Organizations / Committees / Boards
27. Letter received December 17, 2001, from Morris County
Park Commission regarding the 2000 Annual Report.
28. Letter received December 27, 2001, Morris County Green
Table regarding the Next meeting on Regional Open Space Planning
in Morris County.
29. Letter received December 27, 2001, from Erosion Control
Technologies regarding the Erosion Control Seminar and CPESC
30. Information received December 27, 2001, from The National
Council for Public-Private Partnerships regarding Water Asset
31. Letter received January 2, 2002, from the United States
Department of the Interior National Park Service regarding
Introduction of the Musconetcong Wild & Scenic River Management
Plan and Schedule for Public Workshops.
32. Letter received January 9, 2002, from the Mount Olive
Township Historical Society regarding "Seward Mansion."
33. Letter received December 17, 2001, from the State of
New Jersey Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control regarding
Rocklim, Inc. T/A Limericks.
34. Letter received December 17, 2001, from the State of
New Jersey Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control regarding
Rocklim, Inc. T/A Limericks.
Utilities / Cable
35. Fax received December 27, 2001, from Comcast regarding
Change in certain payment procedures.
36. Letter received January 2, 2002, from Cablevision regarding
a new Tariff.
37. Fax received January 7, 2002, from Comcast regarding
Supporting Drug Free Celebrations, Franchise Checks, Comcast
and AT&T Broadband to Merge, and Smith to Chair New Jersey
President Scapicchio stated that we had 37 items of Correspondence
and asked if Council had any comments on same.
Mr. Rattner: Item No. 10, which is the MSA/MUA section. The
Town received their allocation bill for the year 2002. I have
good news that at this point this is actually going to be
about $100,000 less and I am still working on getting that
down further. In the paper for the last couple of years you
know that Lake Hopactong has been moving forward with starting
their Sewer Project, but before they could get going they
needed a certain amount of allocation available for them.
Prior to starting any construction, we were able to re-rate
the plan. We were allowed to go up to 5%, go through all the
testing, all the hearings. It is still a two year process
that was just accepted. That gallonage will be given to Hopactong
for their use. In fact I believe the Town about a year ago
was asked because every Town on a prorate basis has their
right of first refusal. What that does is spread the cost.
So even the money that we spent on the last expansion we put
in Budd Lake, Hopactong is now going to accept and start paying
for even that capitol cost that we spent years ago, and paying
it back. Additionally, which we will have to schedule for
a workshop after the
Mr. Rattner( cont'd): administration talks it over with our
Public Works Department, is the fact that about five or six
years ago we borrowed 20,000 Gallons of allocation from the
Town of Stanhope. That was because when we were moving forward
with the Sewer Project, we had where AIG/Baker has now paid
the upfront money for us to guarantee a certain amount of
usage. We were 20,0000 gallons short at that time. They wanted
to guarantee that even if we did not go forward, with the
project after they spent the money, that they would be able
to build what they had planned at that time. So we had borrowed
the allocation and had been paying for it from Stanhope. We
have to make a decision whether we want to give it back, and
reduce our costs again; that would be about $20,000 a year,
or do we think we could ask Stanhope, because I am not sure
if they need it, that we were willing to keep it if we think
we have use for it, but we have to make that decision. So
we could reduce the usage fee even further. The MSA fees are
the largest costs in the user fee that the Budd Lake Sewer
user has. So anything we can do to reduce the costs is definitely
a benefit to the user.
President Scapicchio: I sort of remember discussing that
20,000 gallons back when we had an agreement with CBI holding.
John, does that jog your memory at all? I thought we gave
John Dorsey: I don't think we gave anything back. I remember
the agreement with CBI when we got money for the stream modeling
of the Musconectong River so that we could know that we could
go forward, but I don't think it was ever given back.
Mr. Rattner: If you remember, when we did that, was so we
did not have to upfront any of the money for the early planning.
Basically we sold what allocation we had at the time, that
only the Village Green was in, but we came up 20,000 short,
but we got paid in advance.
President Scapicchio: Mayor, do you want to have our DPW
director look into that and make a recommendation on what
we should do with that 20,000 gallons, and get back to the
Mayor Licitra: Yes. Why don't we do that.
Mr. Rattner: That's why I said that, you know we would have
to give the Administration time to talk it over with the Public
Works Director, look at what the future looks like, and then
we could discuss it better at a workshop.
President Scapicchio: Sandy, do you know what he is talking
Mr. Kaplan: Yes. Should we have Lisa schedule that for a
workshop now sometime in the future? 90 days from now. Do
you think that is enough?
Mayor Licitra: Why don't you do it a month from now. I think
Mark is on top of this.
President Scapicchio: Lisa, could you schedule this for a
workshop say 30-45 days. Anyone else on correspondence?
Mr. Guenther: I just want to make note of item No. 32 from
the Historical Society. I guess it was addressed to the Mayor.
There was a report in the paper that the County is pushing
for something to be designated for Historical Preservation
in addition to the Open Space. They plan to put it on the
ballot. What do you feel Paul? Had there been any plans at
to do anything at all with the Seward Mansion on our part?
President Scapicchio: Yes. As you know, we did get an oral
report from Olympus which I am trying to get right now into
writing from them on their opinion. Olympus isn't a qualified
historical restorer of old mansions. If we are going to do
something, I told Kathy today, I said why don't you go out
for some pricing and see how it comes back right now. We are
both of the opinion, there is $700,000 available from the
County, but they have a lot of projects already geared for
that. That's fine. They have people that have been waiting
for 10-15 years for some of that money. We'll get in line
like everybody else. Our first blush is that it was about
a million dollars that it is going to cost to fix that up,
but that was done by a non-historical engineer. I think they
were pretty well on the money. So I told Kathy go out, get
some prices, and then lets see if it's money we could put
in the Budget if it isn't going to break the bank this year.
Lets find out how much it is going to cost to fix up Seward
Mr. Guenther: In other words to get a professional consultant.
Mayor Licitra: Correct.
President Scapicchio: Anyone else on Correspondence? Okay.
We have no Ordinances for Public Hearing this evening. We
have two Ordinances for First Reading.
ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING
Ord. #1-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive
Amending Chapter 400, Article III, §400-10 of the Code
of the Township of Mount Olive to Waive Construction Permit
Fees for Work Done to Promote Accessibility by Persons with
Mr. Ratter moved that Ord #1-2002 be introduced by Title
and Passed on First Reading and that a meeting be held on
February 12, 2002 at 7:30 pm and Mr. Guenther seconded that
President Scapicchio: Council discussion?
Mr. Guenther: I sent you all an e-mail regarding this, I
thought I would get some response, I didn't. I still think
even though it is a remote possibility, I think there should
be an economic qualifier in this Ordinance. In other words,
that it be a family of somebody that is in need of this kind
of thing. If it could be somebody that lives in a half a million
dollar home who could afford to do it. I don't think it is
really meant for that. for that. I think it is meant to help
people that are in some financial straits. I want to put some
kind of qualifier in there. I wanted Mr. Dorsey's opinion
about that and how we could tackle that.
Mr. Dorsey: I faxed something back to you. I thought Lisa
said we weren't going to change the Ordinance. If you are
going to put a financial qualifier in, then you have to specify
exactly what it is. You have to establish the means and the
criteria for doing it. You could do it. But you have to set
up exactly what the standards are so everybody knows whether
they comply and you want the Director of Social Services to
make a recommendation. She has got to have a criteria to apply.
Mr. Rattner: I had the same concern when we discussed this
at Workshop and then it was further refined. I was satisfied
that it was only the permit fee. It's not the inspections,
it's not the Escrow accounts for other reviews, looking at
what the permit fee is, it is really a de minimous amount
in general. If we had to do any type of review, regardless
of what standard we put in, it would probably cost more than
the amount that we are basically giving the break on, the
rebate, whatever we want to call it, What we are waving. Also,
at the same time, it would put a burden on the applicant,
and considering the dollar amount I don't think it is really
fair to say yes, we'll save you the $50.00, or the $100.00
fee and make them spend three days getting all the documents
together, tax forms, bank accounts and information like that
for regular review. So since it's only the permit, and since
that is the way it is described itself, it is not that big
and I don't have any problem with it at this point.
Mr. Greenbaum: I have to agree with Steve. I think I am the
one that raised the issue at the Workshop with regard to putting
some financial showing into the Ordinance and I think John
just convinced me that it would just be opening Pandora's
Box in terms of what the necessary showing would be, in light
of the fact that I think it is going to be a de minimous amount
of people who are going to take advantage of this, and it
is a de minimous amount of money that is being waived by the
Township, that it is best left as is. If there is a problem
with it, I assume we could re-examine it at some point in
John Dorsey: You could always amend an Ordinance.
President Scapicchio: Bernie?
Mr. Guenther: I'll go with the majority.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
Ord. #2-2002 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the Township
of Mount Olive Amending and Supplementing Article III Entitled
"Township Attorney," Section 4-10 Retainer; Term
Mr. Greenbaum moved that Ord.#2-2002 be introduced by Title
and Passed on First Reading and that a meeting be held on
February 12, 2002 at 7:30 pm and Mrs. Miller seconded that
President Rattner: Council Discussion. Seeing none.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA
Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to
be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and
will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no
separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions
except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements
that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests,
any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed
from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.
MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA
1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to Andrews & Company for
the Cleaning of the Mount Olive Municipal Building and Senior
Center at a Price Not to Exceed $36,375.00
2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing the Township Administrator to Execute
DEP Form Mount Olive Authorizing the Township Administrator
to Execute DEP from Mount Olive Authorizing the Township Administrator
to Execute DEP Form WQM-003 in Connection with the Offices
at Paragon Village.
3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a Contract with Golub Animal Hospital
for Animal Control Purposes.
4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Urging the New Jersey Legislature to Adopt an
Amendment to N.J.S.A. 19:1-1 et seq. to Provide that School
Board and School Budget Elections be Held at the General Election
5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Proclaiming January 2002 as School Board Recognition
Month in the Township of Mount Olive.
6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing the Execution of a Stipulation of
Settlement in the Issuance of the 2001/2002 Plenary Retail
Consumption License No. 1427-33-017-010 to Rocklim, Inc.,
Trading as Limericks.
7. Resolution Authorizing an Agreement with Mount Olive Township
and the Morris County Adaptive Recreation Program for the
8. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing the Release of a Maintenance Bond
Submitted by HRG, Inc., In Connection with the Development
Referred to as Weis Markets, Inc.
9. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing the Return of Certain Performance
Guarantees in Connection with Comfort Suites/Atrium Hospitality,
Inc., Formerly Deepack Corporation.
10. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing the Release of Cash Performance Guarantees
Posted by IHI Development Corporation.
11. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a Reduction in the Performance Guarantees
Submitted by Fieldview Associates, LLC in Connection with
the Development of Lot 7, Block 4500.
Mrs. Miller moved for approval of Resolutions No. 1 through
11 and Mr. Guenther seconded that motion.
President Rattner: Any Public Comment on Resolutions No.1
through 11? Council comments on the Consent Resolution Agenda?
Mr. Rattner: I have been wrestling with No. 6. In fact, I
am still wrestling with it tonight which is authorizing the
liquor license for the establishment known as Limericks. Maybe
it is because I have been
here along with Mr. Spino for the whole history of Limmericks
from when it was the Drakestown Inn, when it was a respectable
place. The real issue is that this has been a thorn in our
side that they flagrantly violated. The different laws that
were in effect at the time, we've made agreements with them
because we have had the same discussion for the last couple
years at renewal time and we have gotten each time an agreement
to do certain things, not all of them were done. I was sold
on let's go with very strict regulations. But then looking
at what we got in the mail from the State about additional
violations, that actually happened at the same time and after
the discussions and the agreement came about with the Police
Chief makes me have the concern that the establishment either
does not want to obey all the regulations or they're really
incapable. Either way I have a problem. It is not the type
of Business. Everybody has the right. The Constitution is
very plain and we have another one in Town. We have a similar
establishment by the lake. I don't remember any of these issues
coming up over the years. It is the same establishment probably
some of the personnel are employed and it is just run completely
differently. We have not had a problem renewing theirs and
they have taken charge. At this point until I actually cast
my vote I am not sure where I am going with it.
Mr. Dorsey: Let me just say this. We went through this a
week ago. The Chief of Police recommends this. The limitations
that are now placed on this License by the stipulation essentially
came out of a study made by him and I think some considerable
thought. Mr. Greenbaum wanted me to guarantee and I will guarantee
that from the standpoint of the Township the Township is in
a better legal position if it adopts the stipulation and effectuates
these conditions on this license because we are in a no man's
land at the moment where the Township denied the renewal last
year. It was a very split vote. The ABC simply then stayed
the denial of the renewal, so that the moment the Chief of
Police who I think is anxious to enforce these stipulations,
can't do so. You can vote no, but it's my considerate judgment
that it is in the Township's best interests for this to go
forward, and the Chief of Police is in favor of it as well.
Mr. Rattner: I understand that and I understand exactly what
you are saying, I still have the bad feeling that we have
done this for the last two or three years and it is exactly
the same conversation.
Mr. Dorsey: They are not the same stipulations.
President Rattner: We thought we had good stipulations the
Mr. Greenbaum: I am sure that we will be discussing Limericks
well into the future, regardless of the stipulations that
we enter into or don't enter into. The bottom line with regard
to my vote is that it puts us in a better position. To vote
no does not do anything for us. It keeps us in exactly the
same spot that we are in. So to me, it is a no brainer.
President Scapicchio: Anyone else?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr. Ratter
who voted no on No. 6
and Mr. Spino who voted no on No. 4.
RESOLUTIONS NON CONSENT
Mr. Dorsey: Let me just give a short explanation as to these
two resolutions. As you know in connection with the development
of the Trade Zone South, or the AIG Complex, part of the agreements
with the State NJ called for a new traffic signal to be installed
at 206. The agreement that is referred to here is an agreement
to be signed by the State of NJ - The Developer AIG/Baker
and the Township of Mount Olive. I believe the light has already
been installed, but anyway the agreement specifically requires
AIG/Baker to install the light at it's cost to the full satisfaction
of NJDOT . It then calls upon the Township to pay for electrification
of that light and that then brings us to the Resolution authorizing
execution of the Reimbursement agreement with AIG/Baker. Although
in the agreement with the State, the Township is obligated
to pay for the electricity, the second agreement; reimbursement
agreement, obligates AIG/Baker to reimburse this on a monthly
basis, or whatever basis we get that electric bill. So the
Township essentially assumes the responsibility, but as David
likes to do, immediately pass any financial responsibility
off so there is a wash. The two agreements fit like hand and
glove and can be moved together.
President Scapicchio: Could I get a motion to move Resolutions
No.'s 12 and 13.
12. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a
Reimbursement Agreement with AIG Baker Mount Olive, LLC.
13. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a Traffic Signal Agreement Between
the Township of Mount Olive and N.J.D.O.T.
Mrs. Miller moved for approval of Resolution No. 12 &
13 and Mr. Guenther seconded that motion.
President Scapicchio: Before we do Public Comment, I know
there is a representative of AIG/ Baker in the Audience, would
you like to address the Council on these two Resolutions sir?
Bruce Benton, Senior Vice President, AIG/Baker: I am the
guy that is in charge of construction and the one responsible
for the mud and the dust, and the back ups on Route 46. Over
a year ago we came and asked this Council for permission to
build this shopping center here. We have finished the site
work. The Lowes building is essentially finished. The Wallmart
is finished and it is ready to open a week from tomorrow.
We come tonight for a small Resolution, but I want to give
a big thanks to this Town and to the people that you have
in this Town that have enforced your code. Sonny Wolski, Gene
Buczynski, they have made sure this project is built with
a very high standard of quality, and I want to thank you again.
Mrs. Miller: When is the traffic congestion going to end
on Route 46, are you finished with the paving yet?
Bruce Benton: Yes Charlene, we finished it today as a matter
of fact. We are scheduled with DOT tomorrow to go through
all of their inspections and open that intersection completely.
Mrs. Miller: You can't believe what a disaster that was for
the school bus drivers that have to get into Village Green
and get in there and pick up the people that are right underneath
the u-turn there. It was very difficult. Thank you, I am glad
President Scapicchio: Any Public comment on these two Resolutions?
Bob Elms, Budd Lake, NJ: On the Resolution for the traffic
light, I had asked at one of the other meetings why this traffic
light was going to effect the traffic light on Goldmine Road.
Somebody told me they had letters from the State requiring
that the two traffic lights could not co-exist in those two
locations. I would like to know who has that information,
and how could I get it?
President Scapicchio: He did bring that subject up, and I
thought we directed someone to get Gene Buczynski to share
that correspondence with Mr. Elms. Mayor what do you think
the best way to precede now to get that information to Bob?
Mayor Licitra: Ask Mr. Buczynski to share his information
with Mr. Elms.
President Scapicchio: Lisa, maybe you could contact Gene
Buczynski and have him contact Bob Elms, maybe that is the
fastest way to accomplish that.
Mrs. Lashway: Okay.
Mr. Elms: I will be happy to contact Gene as long as the
Township is in agreement to provide that information.
President Scapicchio: That is fine. Lisa, don't worry about
it he is going to contact Mr. Buczynzki.
Mayor Licitra: If you are not going to do it, then run it
to my office and I will have Gene do it. Would you please?
President Scapicchio: We will do nothing. It will run through
the Mayor's office.
Mr. Spino: You might also want to contact Roxbury, since
both the lights are in Roxbury. From what I remember of it;
part of the decision was made by them, not to fight for the
second light. That is what I remember.
Mr. Dorsey: Well let me just say this. In connection with
the light we are dealing with tonight. Roxbury signed over
the jurisdiction of this light to Mt. Olive in 1999.
Mr. Spino: That is for the light at Goldmine Road.
Mr. Dorsey: The light we are talking about the agreements
on here tonight.
Mr. Spino: Right. They asked; in fact both of us wanted to
have both lights, but the State said they were too close together.
I know Roxbury had a meeting about it, then decided not to
fight to keep the second light.
President Scapicchio: Mayor your office is going to get Gene
Buczynski to contact Bob Elms.
Mayor Licitra: He'll get us the information and we will send
President Scapicchio: Great. Thank you. Anyone from the Public?
Jerry Roskoff, Budd Lake, NJ: Just out of curiosity. If somebody
else is paying for the light, they are also paying for the
electricity. What happens if the light breaks. Who pays for
fixing it? Who gets some official from the Police Department?
Mr. Dorsey: The State would be responsible for that. If the
light breaks - I see this happen every once in a while, a
tractor trailer will run into the light and knock it over.
Well then obviously a tractor trailer becomes responsible
and the State replaces it.
Mr. Roskoff: Yes, although sometimes these things malfunction
without the aid of a truck.
Mr. Dorsey: The State will maintain a light. They have an
Mr. Roskoff: So we have no responsibility at all for the
Mr. Dorsey: The only responsibility we have is if we determine
to move the light. If we determine to move the light, the
cost of removal and replacement will be ours.
President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the Public?
David Yourish, Budd Lake, NJ: Since you are talking about
traffic lights, I just want to switch to the 46 side. I have
one question. Maybe you have already answered this. On the
46 side with those two lights, the one by the International
Trade Center and the one by the Village Green, are they going
to be timed to allow traffic to run smoothly through both
the lights or are they are to be timed to allow traffic to
run smoothly through both the lights, or are they going to
be timed where one light is red and one light is green. For
instance, if you notice during the summertime, what happens
is traffic backs all the way up to route 80, which is a very
unsafe position. So I was just curious, if you knew that at
this point in time.
President Scapicchio: Does AIG/Baker have any thoughts on
that traffic timing?
Bruce Benton: I will be glad to take that to the Department
of Transportation tomorrow so they could look at it carefully.
I could follow up with a letter for fax.
Mayor Licitra: DOT is aware of it. They are aware of the
timing factors. They are the ones that set the timing factors.
They have already adjusted it twice already. I noticed, about
six months ago, all of the sudden the traffic started flowing
a little better because of the adjustment. So that's what
they do. So right now they'll be in the process of adjusting
that as time goes on.
President Rattner: That helped by extending the lights. They
have been doing that in a lot of areas, but I think the question
was, were they going to be synchronized and from what I understand
at least from what we got back from the State, those are both
mechanically driven lights that would take a complete new
technology. A new set. I guess rewiring. Probably setting
up a computer, because that is what happens to coordinate
it, and I have not seen that. AIG/ Baker can let the State
know, but unless they want to allocate the money at this point
to do it.
Mr. Youish: I understand what you are saying, they're mechanical
so they are just. They are not even counting the cars. They
are just sitting there for ten seconds. The Village Green
light, allows you if you are traveling eastbound on 46 to
turn left. So that light is going to resynchronize by itself
and so is the other
Mr. Yourish (cont'd): light down by the International Trade
Center. What is going to happen is they are going to conflict
after a period of so many months. So the light by the International
Trade enter will be green but the light at the Village Green
Center will be red. So the traffic will back up, and back
up into that intersection if I understand it correctly. I
hope that is not the case, but if you have computerize it.
The light on Sandshore and Naughtright, that is a smart light.
It has computer connectology. It knows how many cars are in
the left hand turn lane, so it stays green until those cars
go, then it turns the entire light green to let the other
side of the traffic go.
Mr. Rattner: From what I understand the one at the Village
Green is Mechanical. What they do, is the pressure is when
it sets it. So if nobody is waiting at Village Green the light
won't change. What they did, because I know the Police Chief
I believe last year went down when we were having the big
back ups. He had an officer two days in a row manually control
the light. Basically increase the time that Rt. 46 would have
the green by something like 10, and then 15 seconds. Just
by changing that amount. If you got an extra seven or eight
cars every cycle through, it alleviated the problem. If you
remember, the traffic light that was the problem was the one
at the Village Green because the ones that got up to Netcong
Road. There is no problem, and that many cars did not turn
off Netcong Road. But then that is all they did, was manipulate
the cycle, but it didn't have anything to do with coordination.
I don't think those lights are capable of it.
Mr. Yourish: So we are just going to have to wait and see
what happens, and adjust it there. Thank you.
President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the Public. Seeing
none, we will close the Public Portion on the these two Non
Consent Resolutions. Any Council Comments on these two Resolutions?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr. Spino
who voted no.
COUNCIL COMMENTS ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS
1. Bill List.
Mr. Guenther moved for approval of the Bill List and Mrs.
Miller seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
2. Approval of Raffle Application #1018, #1019 for the Mt.
Arlington PTA and Raffle Application #1020 for the Mt. Olive
Jr. Marauders Football Association.
Mr. Ratter moved for approval of Raffle Application #1018,
#1019 for the Mt. Arlington PTA and Raffle Application #1020
for the Mt. Olive Jr. Marauders Football Association and Mr.
Guenther seconded the motion.
President Scapicchio: Charlene, you wanted to add a motion
Mrs. Miller: Yes, I wanted to make a motion to appoint Kathy
Murphy to the Open Space Committee. We had discussed this
at the political caucus. She was the Environmental Commission
Liaison to the Open Space Committee and she is not on the
Environmental Commission anymore. Judy Hirky who is the Chairperson
of the Environmental Commission can be the Liaison for the
Environmental Commission, we could appoint Kathy and that
is a Council Appointment to the unexpired term that Judy held.
Mrs. Miller made a motion to Appoint Kathy Murphy to the
Open Space Committee and Mr. Spino seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
Library Board Liaison Report
Mrs. Miller: We met last Wednesday, and I have a letter here
from Schoor DePalma dated December 27th. It seems to indicate
that for the water and the Sanitary Sewage that we need to
negotiate for that with the Mrs. Miller (cont'd): Mt. Olive
Village. They really can't because we are in litigation with
them. It indicates in this letter that the Governing Body
will have to assist in this discussion with Mt. Olive Villages.
It just seems that we are going around and around so I am
asking Administration if we can start discussing how our Library
is going to get Water and Sanitary Sewage?
Mr. Rattner: I just want to say one thing about Litigation.
We have been in litigation with that Developer since at least
1994. When we got the allocation for this building, we were
in litigation. When the Schoolboard got allocation for the
school, they were in litigation. So, I do not think that really
is a problem. If it's in the service area, and they have gallonage
available, remember we went down and through the discovery
from the lawsuit, we were able to tell they had the gallonage.
They had to let us in. Now of course you have to negotiate
a price. I believe on of the things that we may have to do;
the simplest thing to do if it hasn't already been done, is
the land that we purchased from the Church should be merged
with the lot that we have here, because we want to make sure
because of the way the lines are drawn, and they won't split
up a lot for being in a service and water area, that we are
in the franchise area. We know that this lot is definitely
in it. If we merged the lots, then all the property would
be in it. That would be the simplest way of doing it. That
is what we should move on right away, and start whatever negotiations
we need to get in the gallonage.
President Scapicchio: Mr. Dorsey?
Mr. Dorsey: Yes.
President Scapicchio: We are talking about the Water and
Sewer hook-up for the new Library. I guess the Library is
having a problem, or don't think that they should negotiate
with the water purveyor. Steve had just suggested that we
combine this building lot with that Library building lot,
and then begin negotiations for Water & Sewer.
Mr. Dorsey: That's very shroud.
Mr. Scapicchio: Can you follow through with whatever appropriate
legal action needs to be taken to accomplish that?
Mr. Dorsey: Yes. We'll follow that through. I don't see any
reason. Let him make the connection. It is all one franchise
President Scapicchio: Well, it was just brought to our attention
the Library and Schoor DePalma raised an issue. I guess it
seems that at this point it is a stumbling block.
Mr. Dorsey: I would call Gene tomorrow.
Mrs. Miller: Thank you.
Mr. Scapicchio: Thank you. Anything else on the Library,
Mrs. Miller: No, that's it for now.
Mr. Guenther: No. Report. The Mayor has already given us
the report on Turkey Brook. I have nothing further to report.
Board of Health Report
Mr. Scapicchio: Ray is on a business trip so we won't get
Board of Health report.
Planning Board Report
Rob Greenbaum: We met. Reorganized, there were no changes
with regard to the Reorganization. Sandy Geiger was elected
Chairperson, and John Mania remained as Vice Chair. We had
been dealing with Woodland Estates which is a 10 unit sub-division
on Second Street in Budd Lake. There was a lot of concerned
citizens at the meeting and that hearing continues. Chuck
also brought to our attention a proposed Ordinance modification
which he is going to bring to Council I assume at some point
in the future,
Mr. Greenbaum (cont'd): Ordinance is likely to contain a
requirement that any application including a clustered development
contain relating to residential clusters. That particular
Ordinance has not been finalized, but the substance of the
shall be no greater than the number of units that the entire
tract would yield in a conventional design sub- a conventional
sub-division design and also that the number on units permitted
in a clustered development shall be no greater than the number
of units that the entire tract would yield in a conventional
design sub- division. We meet Thursday night, there are two
development matters on and offhand the only one that I remember
is that Shoprite is coming in with regard to the Weiss Supermarket
property and they have three proposed modifications that they
seek and we will be taking it up on Thursday.
President Scapicchio: That is a Planning Board Issue Rob.
Mr. Greenbaum: It is a Planning Board Issue. They are looking
to do site plan modification originally with regard to the
existing structure to go out back to add additional storage,
freezer space. The second application or part of the application
relates to a free standing 11,000 square ft. structure, that
they want to build on the site to be used for additional storage.
I don't know whether they intend to relate to Shoprite or
if it is just Shoprite's desire to bring additional traffic
into that site by having additional stores located on the
site. I believe the third proposed modification relates again
to adding to the additional structure where Weiss currently
operates out of now.
President Scapicchio: Thanks Rob. Good report.
Open Space Committee Report
Mrs. Miler: I have been notified that they also need a Planning
Board Member so maybe Rob can suggest that at the next Planning
Mrs. Lashway: I spoke to Chuck, and he was going to bring
it up to the Board. It used to be Earl. Earl was a liaison,
but not he is not and it is a Planning Board Appointment to
choose who was a liaison to the Open Space Committee.
Legislative Committee Report
Mr. Guenther: There is none at this time.
President Scapicchio: Master Plan Report, I was there this
past Wednesday. I left early because I had a meeting with
the Flanders Homeowners Association. Can the Mayor or Rob
give a small report on how that meeting finished up?
Mayor Licitra: We took the recommendations. The preamble.
There you saw what exactly we are looking to do with the Master
Plan, the direction. Sort of like more of a management report,
at the beginning on what we are doing with the Master Plan.
We went back and forth. Some real good information was gathered,
plus I am very impressed with the Planner, and what he wants
to do for Mt. Olive. My last question was, we should have
something within three months, maybe for six months for adoption.
You should be seeing something within three months maybe four.
Then meetings, and between the Planning Board and yourselves
go for adoption. So it should be six months before we finish.
Like I said, I was very impressed with the way Chuck handled
it. I was very impressed with the plan of the way he put it
together. I think we are going to get a great document.
President Scapicchio: Thank you. Does anybody have anything
else to add to that?
Pride Committee Report
Mr. Guenther: None at this time
President Rattner: Okay, that brings us to the Public Portion
of this meeting. Anyone from the Public have any comments
for the Board?
Colleen Labow, Budd Lake, NJ: I actually have a couple of
questions. Bare with me please. I just want to ask Rob about
the Clustering Home, that you brought up about Chuck. Does
that pertain to Second Street?
Mr. Greenbaum: Not as far as I know. They have not chosen
the Cluster option with regard to the Second Street Development,
so it would not apply and it's not adopted so it does not
Mrs. Labow: It wouldn't apply. Okay, I just wanted to make
sure on that. The other question, I just want to say about
the Ordinance that you passed with the School Board Election
to be held the same time as the General Election, and I think
that is a really a great idea. That's going to save quite
a bit of money, wouldn't you say? Was that the purpose, or
to get more voters out?
President Scapicchio: A combination.
Mrs. Labow: Last week I brought up about the handicapped
persons in our Town that need rides to get to work and what
not, and you talked about having checking out MAPS to see
if that was available. Was anybody able to do that?
President Scapicchio: That was left in Earl's hand for the
ADA Committee. I don't believe the ADA Committee has met since
Mrs. Labow: On that Ordinance 01-02. I just have a question.
It is hypothetical but it's a possibility. The farm that the
Town is purchasing, on Stephen State Park Road, in Budd Lake.
If somebody decided to purchase that property when it goes
up for bid, for the auction. If they wanted to change the
existing structure to make it into a horse farm for handicapped
children, and they are going to use existing structure that
Mr. Rattner: Did you stay up all night thinking of this?
Mrs. Labow: No. I just know that it is something that is
a possibly, and I was just wondering if you have a scenario
Mr. Dorsey: Your are thinking about Charter's Farm. Charter's
Farm is I think about 65 acres.
Mrs. Labow: 73 acres.
Mr. Dorsey: 73 acres, and it does have a single family farmhouse
on it with a barn. The concept has been that the Township
in equal partners with the County will buy that property and
it will then give a Farmland type preservation type easement
to the State Farmland Preservation Committee. Before it does
that, it is going to sell the house, and a certain amount
of land. Knowbody knows exactly what the arrangement will
be in terms of that sale. It really is dreadfully hypothetical
because I am not even going to assure you that the house would
be sold with anything more than say an acre or two.
Mrs. Labow: This is not regarding the house. The farm itself.
If somebody was going to bid on that and possibly get that
and they wanted to use it for
Mr. Dorsey: Okay. Somebody is going to buy the land?
Mrs. Labow: Buy the land, and their possible plans; and they
have checked it with the State and they have been given preliminary
okay on it. They were going to retrofit that barn for an indoor
arena and they want to have an outdoor arena for handicapped
which they will be bringing in from all over the Tri-State
area. How does this new Ordinance play into that?
Mr. Dorsey: The new Ordinance is
I am not sure what
Ordinance you are referring
Mrs. Labow: It is on for first reading, for the handicapped
for the permits. All it would apply to is the permits right?
Mr. Greenbaum: It would not apply.
Mrs. Labow: Okay I just wanted to clarify that.
Mr. Greenbaum: If it was for that persons' own personal living
unit, then it would apply, the waiver of the permit fees.
But if it were for any other reason, other than for its own
personal living structure, it would not apply.
Mrs. Labow: That is how I understood it, I just wanted clarification.
Next question. Mr. Dorsey approached me before the meeting,
and you explained to my question that I posed two weeks ago.
I was wondering if you could repeat that on the record for
Mr. Dorsey: Mrs. Labow raised the question essentially that
the Township Administrative Code which has been in existence
for over thirty years was adopted in about 1970 provided for
about a two year term for the Township Attorney. 1970, that
was right after the Township went through a change in Government
from Township Committee to Faulkner Form of Government. I
was not here then, but the change was made. It
was typical in those times that the Attorney's term would
either be for the term of the Mayor or every two years because
that is the term of the Council. Sometime after that the Statute
was changed so the Municipal Attorney's terms to be for one
year. The Ordinance tonight brings everything into sync. It
brings what has been in the Administrative Code into sync
with the State Statute and the fact of the matter is that
although the Administrative Code has provided for two years,
we have since 1984, I know from the contracts in my office
each year the Township Council has adopted a separate Resolution
appointing and issuing administrative contracts. But because
you raised the question, the Administrative Code of the Township
will now be in sync with the Statute.
President Scapicchio: Thanks Colleen.
Mrs. Labow: Thank you.
President Scapicchio: Anybody Else?
Richard Bonte, Budd Lake, NJ: A couple things. First of all
on this Ordinance 01-02, waiving of fees for construction
permits. By the way I think this is great. It is a noble idea.
Is it Allowable by DCA. They have very strict rules.
Mr. Dorsey: You can waive, Municipality can waive it's fees.
What Municipality cannot do is waive State fees. For instance,
I don't think in putting a ramp up, which would be the typical
that would happen. I don't think there are any State fees
involved in that. Clearly the Township has the right to waive
its own fee.
Mr. Bonte There does seem to be a little bit of a disconnect
between paragraph "A" and "B". In "A"
I get the impression that no person; for example if I decided
on my house, even though nobody disabled lives in my house
that I wanted to put in a ramp for disabled people that might
visit my house, that I would not be charged. Because it says
no person shall be charged a construction permit. In paragraph
"b" it talks about disabled people, so there might
be some conflict there that maybe we might want to clean up.
Also, next to he last line in paragraph "A", assuming
that "A" is acceptable, between the word private
and structure, maybe you might want to add the word residential
to keep the context of "A" in line with "B",
because "B" specifically talks about your own personal
living unit, but "A" only says a private structure,
which could be a private business, I would presume.
Mr. Dorsey: Where do you want to put residential in?
Mr. Bonte: Between private and structure. Again I don't know
I whether "A" needs to be tightened up if your intent
is only people who are disabled or have a disabled person
living in that private residence. I don't disagree with it.
Earl gave me this and it was a form of Ordinance that had
been used in other Municipalities, so I wasn't to critical.
I guess I looked for the loopholes John? I just want to avoid
future conflicts. A comment Dave. It was wonderful. I don't
know whether you did this at the last meeting regarding the
moment of silence at the beginning of the meeting. I hope
that you are planning on doing that for a number of meetings
in the future. I think we all need to think about the people
that are giving up their valuable time and maybe their lives,
so that we can come here and do what we do every week. So
I would like to see that continue.
President Scapicchio: Were you here at the Reorganization
Mr. Bonte: Yes I was, but I was not here at the last meeting.
I was not here at the Workshop.
President Scapicchio: In Caucus, we all discussed having
what we will call a moment of reflection, and the majority
thought that we did not want to have it both Workshop and
Public Meetings, that some thought that that may minimize
the importance of what we did. So we as a group decided that
we would do that just at our Public Meetings.
Mr. Bonte: Yes, I agree with you. I guess what I am saying
is I hope that you continue that.
President Scapicchio: It is something that is going to continue
for 2002 and hopefully the next Council President will continue
it if we are still at battle.
Mr. Bonte: With a reminder for all of us of why we are doing
this. Now I have a couple of things I would like to ask Council
to consider for this. Now I have a couple of things I would
like to ask this Council to consider for this year. First,
about a year and a half ago, you may recall that I submitted
to the Council a proposal on how to handle hunting groups
that hunt on lands that they don't own. A procedure from getting
approval from the Town, to hunt on these lands. It has to
do with the borders of those lands. A lot of groups that hunt
in this Town, do not know where the borders of the lands are
that they lease. After I had submitted that to this Council,
it was agreed that this was a good idea and that it would
be looked into. Eighteen months have gone by and nothing has
happened. Again, I'll stress as I did eighteen months ago.
I am not anti hunting. But it is important that the people
who hunt on lands that are not their own property, know where
the boundaries are. I would like to ask that we look into
that, maybe have a discussion at a workshop and see if we
can proceed towards implementing some type of procedure to
assure that the hunters that on these lands know where the
restrictions are, Okay?
President Scapicchio: Rich, lets just back up a second on
that. Lisa said she did some research. But could not find
anything to help us in that regard. Do you have anything that
Mr. Bonte: I could pull my file and reprint it for you.
Mrs. Lashway: I still have your information.
Mr. Bonte: I know you may not be able to find anything on
it. But I thought it was something that we as a Township might
want to look into as far as implementing. Again, we are not
regulating hunting, we are just trying to make sure that the
President Scapicchio: Give me an idea Rich of what we would
implement to try to control that. Help me along here.
Mr. Bonte: I know this goes on almost every year behind me.
The hunting club leases the land. They post their signs, and
they don't know where the borders are. They end up posting
their signs about 300 ft. into my property, and to do that
they have already crossed 500ft. of my neighbors property
behind me. So they are grossly ignorant of where the lines
are. I have spoken to them about it many times and they say
well, our guys don't have any maps when they go out and do
this, they just go out and do it where they have seen signs
before. So the point is that they are telling me basically
they put these signs up and they tell me I can't walk on my
own property. They say no trespassing and they are on my property
facing me, and they think they can hunt on my property. So
I have to out every year and tear their signs down, and move
my signs back to the back of my property. My thought was,
in order for anybody that hunts on land that they don't own
- these clubs. They would have to come in to Lisa and show
that they have a map that defines the boundaries and a sign
a certification that they have posted signs in accordance
with this map and that every member of their club that hunts
on this property, has a copy of this map. So that at least
the members might have some idea of where they are supposed
to be. I did not think that was any great imposition on them.
It is basically saying look, you guys can hunt. Here are your
boundaries. Know your boundaries.
President Scapicchio: So we would have to actually adopt
Mr. Bonte: I would think. Now, I was led to believe that
everybody thought this was a good idea. It was going to be
brought up, and I lacked on following up myself, but I figured
we have some new members tonight, it is the beginning of the
New Year and I have two thing I would like you to take a look
at this year. The other item. I think this ties in with I
think with what Chuck is doing regarding looking at our regulations
regarding clustering and how we require qualifying maps. I
know that at the Planning Board we have beaten this to death.
But I think it is something the Township should concider amending
in our requirements. The residential site improvement specification
for the State of NJ allow and encourage the use of local rainfall
data if it is available for determining the size of retention
and detention basins and the drainage culverts that come from
them. Given that, if there is not a requirement for a developer
to do that,
he gets to use the standards for the State, which are based
upon rainfall data at the airport in Trenton Trenton averages
about 15 inches a year annually less rainfall and their 100
year storm is about half the rainfall value of our hundred
year storm. because of the mountainous terrain and the fact
that you get much
Mr. Bonte (cont'd): more rainfall; especially thunderstorms,
wintertime, northeast storms. This is all proven and documented.
So what I would suggest is that we would consider putting
into our Township Code, a requirement that any Stormwater
Management Facilities designed within the Township of Mount
Olive meet local rainfall data as opposed to the much more
lenient standard that the State has due to the terrain. If
you need any supporting background for this you just need
to drive up to Sparta. We all know what happened there in
2000. There are still roads and bridges that are closed. So
I think it would be a good idea for us to incorporate that
in future developments.
Mayor Licitra: Yes rich, we did discuss this at the last
Master Plan Committee Meeting and we are addressing it. I
don't know which way it came out. I think we kind of put it
on the table for the next meeting but we did discuss it.
Mr. Bonte: If you would like me to attend one of your meetings,
where this is going to be discussed, I would be happy to.
Mayor Licitra: I would love you to Rich, but why don't you
just give me the information as you did.
President Scapicchio: Rich, I was going to suggest this.
Why don't you put your thoughts down on paper and send it
to the Master Plan Committee members. That is probably the
best thing you can do. If you need those names and addresses,
either Lisa or the Mayor's office can get that list for you.
Mr. Bonte: Okay that is very easy to do because I have already
done it for the Planning Board.
Mayor Licitra: Rich I say send it to me, but you are invited,
Master Plan Committee meetings are open to the Public, so
just find out when.
President Scapicchio: Well at some point in time all those
meetings will be
Mayor Licitra: Yes. But you rather have that incorporated
in the final document.
Mr. Bonte: That is exactly why I am bringing it up now.
President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the Public? Seeing
none, we will close the Public Portion of this meeting.
Mayor Licitra: I have none.
Mr. Rattner: Thank you Mr. President. You know when we make
decision, every once in a while you wonder did we really do
the right thing? Was it in the best interest. Some time ago
we were talking about possibly allowing Chester to use some
of our water from the Valley. Just a connection. Just use
it as a transmission line, but now we are seeing, and we are
seeing all over that there are water restrictions in the middle
of the winter which has really been unheard of before, it's
just that it has been that dry. One of the scary things is
that it is on the whole eastern seaboard and we don't even
have the real bad problem. I went up to Lake Placid this weekend.
From Pequannock to Glen Falls, there is not even any snow
on the ground. Lake Placid has less snow than we do. I also
saw what looked like marshes. There were reservoirs that have
already been depleted. This is in the mountains where it rains
more. It is something that we are going to face for the future.
They say this drought is actually three years in the running.
But there really is a shortage of water. Now looking in back,
we really did make the right decision. I know at the time
really hard because we looked at it as a way of upgrading
some of our water systems by allowing somebody else to pay
for it for some of the improvements. Now looking back we realize
that we made the right decision. Sometimes it is not always
clear cut. I think this one, especially what is happening
now would, should that we did make the right decision. I am
happy for that.
Mr. Greenbaum: No comments.
Mrs. Miller: No comments
Mr. Spino: I have none, thank you.
Mr. Guenther: None.
President Scapicchio: The only comment I will make is with
respect to these two last minute Resolutions from AIG/Baker,
I got a call from the Township Engineer on Friday to request
whether or not that would be put on the Agenda at the last
minute, and my job was easy, I said yes. But a lot of work
went into this. A
lot of work went in behind the scenes from the Clerks' Office
and the Township Attorney Dorsey, drafting these Resolutions
and putting together these two agreements. I think that needs
to go noticed. Seeing no further business, I'll move for Adjournment.
Motion made for adjournment. All in Favor, none opposed.
The Meeting was Adjourned at 8:45 pm.
I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount
Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true
and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened
meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on February
LISA M. LASHWAY
Mount Olive Township Clerk