Township Council Minutes
February 12, 2002
The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was
called to order at 7:30pm by Council President Scapicchio
with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
MOMENT OF REFLECTION
President Scapicchio: If everyone would just join us. At
these Public Meetings, we now do a moment of reflection of
the men and women fighting terrorism and defending the freedom
that we all enjoy.
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice
of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle
and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at
in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt.
Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting
ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller,
Mr. Perkins, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Spino
Presentation of Plaque to Rose Caputo, Employee of the Year
Mayor Licitra: This is our third such presentation that we
have made, Rose why don't you come up here and stand with
me please. As you can see from the legacy and the audience,
this is Rose's family who I have known for many years. In
fact, I almost did not recognize Peter the other day when
I saw him all grown. But anyway, Rose started working for
Mount Olive on September 14, 1971. If you do the math that
is almost 30 years. That's more than thirty years. She was
by herself in the office when she started and with the building
inspector Bill Johnson, and after Bill left, she worked for
Russ Lash. Since 1975 with Sonny Walski. She along with the
rest of the department when the division was moved into the
trailer for a temporary basis if you remember. That temporary
basis lasted twelve years before they moved into this new
building and she survived. Rose, like myself, has seen this
Township grow in many areas. I know whenever I needed something,
I was chairman of the Zoning Board for twenty years. When
somebody would come over to me and ask me for help, I gave
them Rose's name and she took care of them. I said mention
my name. They said to me, they helped me in spite of the fact
that I mentioned your name. Rose, I can't think of a more
deserving person to be Employee of the Year and I just want
to read a small little token of our appreciation, both myself
and the Council. This is to Rose Caputo, Employee of the Year
Award for the year 2002 presented to you in dedication and
appreciation for your many years of dedicated service. I know
you are too shy to say something, I fear the day that someday
Sonny and Rose are going to come up to me and they are going
to say "I want to retire". I keep on telling Rose
that you can't do that to me, you have to stay where you are.
I wouldn't know how to replace her, and I wouldn't know how
to replace Sonny. People don't realize how busy that department
is. Most of you people have your roots from the Board of Adjustment
and know it first hand, but Rose I want to thank you not only
as a friend, but as a co-worker. I appreciate all your years
of service. Thank you so much.
Sonny Wolski: For the last couple of days, I have been trying
to get Roseland to change their name, but I could not get
them to budge. So we are going to have to keep Mt. Olive here
for a while, and Roseland won't switch names with us. Rose
is a hard worker. We worked together for 28 years. She has
been here before I. We have only had one argument and that
was 28 years ago and it is still continuing, but other than
We love her! Thank you.
President Scapicchio: Mayor we have appointments to the Local
Emergency Planning Committee.
Appointments to Local Emergency Planning Committee by Mayor
Al Mutz Twp EMS departments
Robert Sheard Twp Fire Departments
Ed Katona, Chief Mt. Olive Police
Jim Abline Red Cross
David Wetzel Salvation Army
Karen Wetzel Salvation Army
Mark DiGennaro Mt. Olive DPW
Thomas Hallowell BASF
Steve Sluka Mt. Olive Board of Ed
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
President Scapicchio: Anyone from the Public have any comments
on any subject at all? Seeing none President Scapicchio (cont'd):
we will close the first portion of the Public Comment Period.
Mayor Licitra: None at this time
Mr. Dorsey: I should advise you all that in connection with
Crown Towers Messrs. Bonte and Tarn made an application to
Judge Stanton to be admitted for the intervene and become
parties to the litigation. Mr. Goldstein wrote a seven page
letter to urge the Judge not to grant that request. I wrote
a page and a half and the judge granted that request. Mr.
Bonte and Mr. Tarn are now part of the game. The Court has
set down it's Case Management Order which will have the case
as to whether or not the action of the Planning Board was
arbitrary capricious and argue before the Court, I think it
is May 3rd at 2:00.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS:
Jan. 29, 2002 Present: Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Guenther, Mrs.
Miller, Mr. Rattner
President Scapicchio, Mr. Spino
Absent: Mr. Perkins
Jan. 02, 2002 CS Present: Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Guenther, Mrs.
Miller, Mr. Rattner
Mr. Perkins, President Scapicchio, Mr. Spino
Mr. Rattner moved for the approval of the minutes and Mrs.
Miller seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr. Perkins
who voted no on January 29, 2002.
Letters From Residents
1. E-mail received February 1, 2002, from David Yourish regarding
Resolution, Ordinances, Correspondences from Other Municipalities
2. Letter received January 28, 2002, from Paul Nusbaum, Esq.
Regarding Township of Chester Planning Board Notice on Hearing
3. Notice received February 8, 2002, from the Township of
Roxbury regarding a Planning Board Public Hearing.
League of Municipalities
4. E-mail received January 25, 2002, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities regarding League Legislative
E-Line for January 25, 2002.
5. Letter received January 31, 2002, from the New Jersey
State league of Municipalities regarding Labor Relations Seminar.
6. E-mail received February 8, 2002, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities regarding League Legislative
E-Line for February 8, 2002.
DOT / DEP / Permit's / LOI's
7. Letter received February 8, 2002, from the New Jersey
State Department of Environmental Protection regarding Turkey
Brook Park / Flanders Road.
Correspondence from Legislative Representatives
8. E-mail received January 25, 2002 from Congressman Frelinghuysen
regarding Homeland Security.
9. E-mail received January 30, 2002, from Congressman Frelinghuysen
regarding the President Bush's State of the Union.
10. Letter received February 1, 2002, from Congressman Frelinghuysen
regarding "Know your Caller Act".
11. E-mail received February 5, 2002, from Congressman Frelinghuysen
regarding the Fiscal Year 2003 budget.
Correspondence from Organizations / Committees / Boards
12. Letter received January 29, 2002, from the Bergen Municipal
Employees Benefits Fund regarding Supplemental Assessment
13. Letter received February 1, 2002, from the Bergen Municipal
Employees Benefit Group regarding Cooperative Action on Special
Assessments and Medical Cost Control.
14. Letter received February 4, 2002, from Cozen, O'Connor
regarding Notice of Filing In the Matter of the Joint Petition
of New Jersey-American Water Company, Inc. and Thames Water
Aqua Holdings GmbH for Approval of a change in Control of
New Jersey-American Water Company, Inc. BPU Docket No. WM01120833.
15. Letter received February 5, 2002, from the Mount Olive
Jr. Marauders Football Association regarding a proposed plan
to assist in the Maintenance and Landscaping of the Chester
M. Stephens Elementary School Field.
16. Letter received February 7, 2002, from the Mount Olive
High School Ice Hockey Booster Club regarding thanks for the
Towns generous contribution to the Ice Hockey Campaign.
17. Local Finance Notice received February 8, 2002, from
New Jersey Department of Community Affairs regarding Procedures
Regarding Qualified Purchasing Agents.
18. Summons received January 30, 2002, from the Superior
Court of New Jersey regarding Intercounty Paving Associates,
LLC v. The Vizzoni Group, Inc.
President Scapicchio stated that we had 18 items of correspondence
and asked if Council had any comments on same. Seeing none.
ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING
Ord. #1-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive
Amending Chapter 400, Article III, '400-10 of the Code of
the Township of Mount Olive to Waive Construction Permit Fees
for Work Done to Promote Accessibility by Persons with Disabilities.
President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #1-2002.
President Scapicchio closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #
Mr. Rattner moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord.
# 1-2002 and Mr. Spino seconded that motion.
President Scapicchio: Council Discussion?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Scapicchio declared Ord. #1-2002 as Passed on Second
Ord. #2-2002 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the
Township of Mount Olive Amending and Supplementing Article
III Entitled ATownship Attorney,@ Section 4-10 Retainer; Term
President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #2-2002.
President Scapicchio closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #
Mr. Greenbaum moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord.
# 2-2002 and Mr. Rattner seconded that motion.
President Scapicchio: Council Discussion? Seeing none.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously.
President Scapicchio declared Ord. #2-2002 as Passed on Second
ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING
Ord. #4-2002 Bond Ordinance Amending Section 3(e) (f) and
(p) of Bond Ordinance Numbered 11-2001 of the Township of
Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey Finally Adopted
May 8, 2001 (Budd Lake Ladder Truck Refurb & Hopkins Rd.
Mr. Perkins moved that Ord. #4-2002 be introduced by Title
and Passed on First Reading and that a meeting be held on
March 12, 2002 at 7:30pm. Mrs. Miller seconded that motion
President Rattner: Council Discussion?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
Ord. #5-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive
Applying Title 39 of the New Jersey Statutes to the Shopping
Center Referred to as ITC Crossings (South).
Mrs. Miller moved that Ord. #5-2002 be introduced by Title
and Passed on First Reading and that a meeting be held on
March 12, 2002 at 7:30pm. Mr. Guenther seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
Ord. #6-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing a Supplemental Appropriation
of $1,608,000 for the Construction of a Municipal Library
in and by the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris,
New Jersey and Authorizing the Issuance of $612,679 Bonds
or Notes of the Township for Financing Part of the Appropriation.
Mr. Spino moved that Ord. #6-2002 be introduced by Title
and Passed on First Reading and that a meeting be held on
March 12, 2002 at 7:30pm. Mr. Perkins seconded that motion
President Rattner: Council Discussion?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:
Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to
be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and
will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no
separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions
except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements
that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests,
any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed
from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.
Motion to approve Consent Resolutions.
1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing an Application for Funds Under a Program
Referred to as the Transportation Enhancement Program. (Grant
application for walking trails, etc. at Turkey Brook).
2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to In Town Sports.Com. (online
sports program registrations)
3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a Developer's Agreement for Peter
Pfaffenroth in Connection with the Development Known as Block
7000 Lot 63.
4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a Renewal of its Contract with Horizon
Blue Cross Blue Shield with the Renewal Period to Encompass
the Period of March 1, 2002 to and Including February 28,
5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a Professional Services Agreement
with Labor Attorney, Frederick Danser.
6. Resolution to Establish a Temporary Capital Budget (Library).
7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a Contract with Certified Valuations,
Inc. for Appraising the Church of Illumination Property, Charter
Farms Tract and Silver Spring Manor.
Mr. Rattner moved the Adoption of Resolutions 1 through 7
and Mrs. Miller seconded that motion.
PUBLIC PORTION ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS
President Scapicchio opened the Consent Resolutions to the
Howie Weiss, Flanders, NJ: I have a comment about Resolution
No. 2. I just learned about this tonight. I know you have
been talking about it for a while. I suppose it is a good
thing. It adds another opportunity for the people of the Township
to sign up for various programs. Just a couple of things.
I spoke to Rob Greenbaum tonight about it. I had some questions.
A couple things I wanted to make sure, maybe for the record.
I had a bunch of questions, Rob did answer them. I want to
make sure that when somebody goes on to this website to register
for a sports program that they are told what the fee is for.
I know a lot of the programs are constantly fighting for money
looking for ways to increase fees. I want to make sure that
when people sign up they know that this fee, that is $5.00,
that they know it is now going to the program. I think that
is important, I can speak from the football program, anytime
we try to raise fees, we try to explain why. So a five dollar
increase really should be, I want to make sure it is put on
their site, that the fee is for the convenience and, of course,
with an explanation. I want to make sure that this contract
which I have not seen explains that the fee is basically a
commission or a service charge. Also, I want to make sure
that as this program goes on that the individual programs
are going to be entitled to register people on their own,
that there is not going to be a commitment from any program
to force the programs to use this. I know I heard from Rob
again that's the intent, but I want to make sure. I want to
hear that that's how the contract is stipulated. That we don't
have to use the system. Again in a nutshell we are just making
sure that there is no commitment for any recreation program
to use this
system. Those were the couple of things that I wanted to make
sure we discussed Publicly, to know that one day they are
not going to come back and demand that the people of the Town
have to use this program.
Mr. Spino: We have been assured that is the case then, that
people still have other methods of signing their children
Mr. Greenbaum: That is not the question he asked though.
The question is if the football program down the road wants
to retain their own on-line registration?
Mr. Spino: That is not what he said. He did not say on-line
Mr. Weiss: Even if we do use it on line. Actually we were
exploring on line as of just last night.
Mr. Dorsey: There's only thing I want to tell you, and I
asked Jill to put it in this contract. The Township has the
right to terminate the contract within 10 days notice. As
I see it, this is an experiment. If people really want to
use the form I suppose it is just allowing a new resource,
but the contract specifically permits that the Township has
the right to terminate. So if it is found out that it is not
working properly or the proper advice is not being given it
Mr. Weiss: I see it as a very positive thing. Just another
matter of convenience. Just make sure people understand what
they are paying for.
Mr. Spino: We have been told that it will have on the form
when it is brought up that there is a $5.00 service charge
for that service only. It has nothing to do with the fee that
Mr. Greenbaum: I had a number of calls today from different
people about this issue. Some of who are in the audience now.
With what John said, keep in mind that this contract can be
terminated. The major criticisms that I heard were there were
people had questions about this particular vendor. The way
the data base would be organized and so on and so forth and
the price which was being charged that there were cheaper
vendors out there, instead of $5.00, it was $2.50 or $3.00.
The fact that we could terminate really reduces the significance
of the problems that people had with this particular vendor.
For instance, several of the programs told me that they might
want to go out and get their own, which I said would be appropriate
under the way that this is currently structured. Their criticism
felt, wouldn't it be great if everybody was happy with the
same vendor. I said yes. That would be optimum. So to the
extent that they want to work together and this is not the
right vendor, they could cancel the contract.
Mr. Weiss: I just wanted to make sure that we don't create
a monster that we can't control and John, you said we can
terminate it. So that's fine.
President Scapicchio: I think that is the most important
piece that we added in that contract, Howie, the clause that
we can terminate that with 10 days notice. Anyone else from
the Public on the Consent Resolutions Agenda only?
Colleen Labow, Budd Lake, NJ: I just wanted to ask Earl,
when that gentleman was here that one time he said the clause
stating where the $5.00 was appropriated, he said that would
be a situation where you had to click on it to bring it up
and we all agreed, well most of us agreed that people will
not click on that to bring that up, they will just ignore
that. Is there some way for that to just automatically pop
on the screen, where you have to click on it to get rid of
Mr. Spino: That is the impression that I had. That it was
going to be on the screen.
President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the Public on the
Consent Resolution Agenda? Seeing none, we will close the
Public Portion on the Consent Resolutions. Any Council Comments?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
1. Bill List.
Mr. Guenther moved for approval of the Bill List and Mrs.
Miller seconded that motion.
President Scapicchio: Anyone from the Council have any questions
on the Bill List?
President Rattner: I just have one. I noticed that there
is a payment on here to Olympus for Turkey Brook Park. Payment
No. 4. I'll just defer to the people on the Committee. Are
we moving along? Should we be releasing payments?
President Scapicchio: Mayor, I guess that is a question for
Mayor Licitra: Yes. We had no choice. If we wanted revisions
we had to release. I held the money as long as I possibly
could until they finished their job. Then they had to make
some revisions, and I held some carrot out hoping that I would
not have to hold that carrot out, but they would not make
the revisions until we paid them, or we promised to pay them
the money. So they made the revisions and I had to pay them
President Scapicchio: Mayor, but this wasn't any additional
or any extra money you paid him. You paid them monies that
were do based on the contract we've signed.
Mayor Licitra: Absolutely. I could not get at that point,
since they did the work, we could not get anybody else to
redo what they had done and signed for it. So we had to go
back to them. So we played cat and mouse. We're that cat sometimes
and the mouse the other times. We are the cat the most of
Mr. Rattner: Did we get the finished product though?
Mayor Licitra: Yes, we did get the finished product.
President Scapicchio: Sherry, did you want to add anything
Mrs. Jenkins: I just want to reiterate. We had not paid them
anything over and above the contract that was authorized by
the Council. I have made sure of that.
President Scapicchio: Anyone else on the Council?
Mr. Guenther: On Page 9 there is an amount that say miscellaneous,
the First Aid Squad. It seem like a rather large amount to
call miscellaneous at $3,000. $3,066 to be precise. Is there
any provision on what the limit is of what a miscellaneous
expense is? I think we should have an explanation for something
Mrs. Jenkins You have to understand the way the funding works
for the volunteer organizations. Basically by Statute we are
allowed to give them a direct contribution up to $45,000 and
depending upon whether it is a Rescue Squad or Fire Department.
Anything over and above that, that we give them per the adopted
budget is a reimbursement of their expenses. They have to
give us detailed bills for everything they spend and we review
those. If they are appropriate then, we'll give them funding
basically to reimburse them for their expenses. So this $3,000
is could be anywhere from five to thirty different items.
That is why it just says miscellaneous.
Mr. Guenther: So it is reimbursement for the convention under
which it appears. It is connected with that?
Mrs. Jenkins: No. These are just other expenses that they
incur that we are reimbursing them for. Again, we can't list
them all because a lot of times they will come in with a stack
Mr. Guenther: Page 2. I am sure there is a good explanation
for this, and I would just like to hear it. The rather large
expense for pagers and pager installation. What is that for?
Mrs. Jenkins: Basically if you remember in the 2001 budget.
All of the Volunteer Organizations requested to upgrade one
of their pagers and that was approved in capital last year.
We put in $60,000 to upgrade the entire pager system for all
Mr. Guenther: So how many pagers were there involved?
Mrs. Jenkins: I think maybe, 115.
Mr. Guenther: But all members of Volunteer Organizations
Mrs. Jenkins: Yes.
Mr. Guenther: When you talk Volunteer Organizations, what
do you mean? I mean Rescue Squad, Fire Departments.
President Scapicchio: Anything else Bernie?
Mr. Guenther: No that is it.
President Scapicchio: Sherry on page 2, the $17,161.60 to
Voller's. That is not any additional monies for additional
work is that?
Mrs. Jenkins: No. you have to remember, when a contract is
awarded by the Council, we encumber exactly that amount. We
know that we are not going to go over that. So whatever you
see is only going to be up to the amount that is authorized
by Council. If for some reason they are requesting more, then
certainly we would evaluate it and have to come back to you
to modify the contract. So no, this is for a portion of what
you have already approved.
President Scapicchio: On page three there is a meal allowance
I guess reimbursement?
Mrs. Jenkins: Actually I got a question on that already.
I will give you the back up for that. This person is going
away for training for a significant amount of time and by
contract they are entitled to get a Mrs. Jenkins (cont'd):
meal allowance. So if you like, I could certainly forward
exactly how many it is.
President Scapicchio: If you tell me that is consistent with
the contract then I accept that. Page seven. A $1,000 contribution
to Abiding Peace. What is that all about? I don't recall ever
Mrs. Jenkins: Jill actually could talk about that. We did
go over that, and touch on that a little bit at the budget
Hearing on Saturday, but I will have her explain it.
Jill Daggon: We have programs at three area churches, and
consideration for having those programs in their basements
which basically meet all day long. That is their contribution
for the year, $1,000. Usually we do $500 one time and then
President Scapicchio: Okay. That was it. We have a motion
and it has been seconded.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
2. Approval of Raffle Application #1021 for St. Mark the
Mr. Rattner moved for approval of Raffle Application #1021
and Mr. Spino seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
Rob Greenbaum: The last Planning Board Meeting which would
have been Thursday last week we heard two applications. The
first application was for Extended Stay in the Trade Center
South. We did not finish the application. There were some
changes that had to be made to the plans which were submitted
and they are coming back in. I don't know the exact date but
there was not anything real significant about the application
to report on . The other application which we heard was ABC
Childcare which is a proposed application on Flanders-Bartley
Road near the intersection of Flanders-Bartley Road, River
Road, and Tinc Road. It is a dual use building proposing to
put a child care center in front of the building and warehouse
use in the back of the building. It is currently, I guess
the old Cunningham roofing building. There were significant
questions concerning the application and their schedule to
come back in on May 2, 2001. The February 21 meeting, the
significant item of discussion is going to be the Commerce
Bank Application on Route 46 across from the A & P Shopping
Center. On March 7, we are scheduled to hear Saxton Falls
Sand & Gravel. Woodland Estates is coming back in on the
7th. Shoprite scheduled is to come in March 21, 2002. Besides
that there are two pending proposed Ordinance modifications
which Planning Board is going to be seeking. The first which
I have already told you about relates to the Cluster Ordinance
which I spoke to Chuck about. He expects to have that to us
shortly. The second is something that came up at the last
meeting. Something that is used in other towns, which is an
affidavit of compliance requirement and Board felt that was
a good thing to have, I expect to see something along those
lines from Chuck shortly, basically all that is, is the requirement
that the applicant file with the Township, and affidavit that
he has complied with the application and the approvals. That
is where we are at on the Planning Board.
President Scapicchio: Rob, Saxton Falls. They are coming
before the Planning Board for their quarrying permit?
Mr. Greenbaum: Howie, help me out here, is it related to
their plan once they are done at the site?
Mr. Weiss: It is a reclamation plan.
President Scapicchio: Any other reports from Council?
Mrs. Miller: Open Space met last night, and they have asked
me to remind the Mayor that we have a membership on the Open
Space that is a Mayor's appointment that needs to be filled
and we still need a Planning Board Liason.
Mayor Licitra: The appointment will be made later on this
month. Why don't we have Rob bring it up at the Planning Board,
and we will talk to the Planning Board to see who on the Planning
Board wishes to serve in that capacity. Is that okay Rob?
Mr. Greenbaum: Yes, in fact I have raised it several times.
It has just not gotten resolved at this point.
Mayor Licitra: Okay. Lets see if we could bring it to a resolution.
Mrs. Miller: Once of the properties that we have been encouraging
the State to purchase. Holmeqrist property which is over on
fourth street near the bog where the Natural Lands Trust Property
is. Apparently the State and the Owner have reached a price
agreement however the owner owes money for their EDU's and
they won't move ahead until the Township either tells them
that they don't have to pay it, or whatever. I guess you need
to talk to Kathy on that and hope that they just do away with
what they owe us for the EDU's.
Mr. Rattner: How many EDU's is it?
Mrs. Miller: They think it is about 6-8 acres. I am not sure
how many he got. I know he got more than four.
Mr. Rattner: Is it a buildable lot?
Mrs. Miller: We'll he thought it was but I never did. It
is surrounded by wetlands and I saw the pipes go in, I thought
there is no way you could put a house here. He came in with
a conceptual plan many years ago for duplexes. I just could
not believe it. He never did come back before the Planning
Board. I think he realized the Wetlands were pretty substantial
there. He has not paid anything for those EDU's and I think
he has had five perhaps more. So we have to resolve that before
the State can go ahead and purchase it. We hope that the State
is allowed to do that. I heard that our Governor has put the
limit on Open Space. That was one of the things he cut out
of the budget. I hope that does not affect us.
Mr. Perkins: Thank you Mr. President. I just want to bring
everybody up to date. The Pride Committee will be having a
meeting next Thursday, that should be the official reorganization.
Hopefully we could get it. Liz Quimet has been asked to take
over as the Chair Person. I will stay on as the liaison obviously
from the Council. The Board of Health reorganized last month.
We have a meeting this Thursday. No actual Business was performed
other than the reorganization and appointment and the reappointment
of the Health Officer last month. We missed out on the Public
Safety Report that ended up being on the night of the Library
Grant Award. Our next meeting is set for the Februrary 24,
2002. We are going to be meeting here. I will be able to report
that at the next Public Meeting
Recreation Advisory Committee
Mr. Guenther: The Recreation Advisory Committee met this
last week, February 6, 2002. There were a couple things that
came out of that. One was just a general comment that they're
kept out of the loop, but regarding what is happening in Turkey
Brook and they request that they at least have a Liaison,
somebody that would be able to attend those meetings, and
would be an official liaison to that committee, because they
feel a lot of people approach them and want to know what is
happening, they really don't have the answers as to what the
progress is. I think that is a reasonable request.
Mayor Licitra: First of all Peter Jaran is on all committees,
and second I don't feel that they are out of the loop, I think
it is imperative on them to try to get the information also.
Peter is at least one of the people all the committees even
on the facilities committee. I think they already have a liaison
and that is one of the reason I did put Peter on all of the
Committees, so he could be the Liaison. I have no problems.
I think with Harvey, even though Ernie has done a great job,
I think with Harvey over there I think you will find that
he will be more proactive as far as coming to get the information.
Mr. Guenther: Peter was not at that meeting, so he probably
could have addressed that concern. I was not aware that he
was a member of all the committees. I am just passing that
on. The other request that was made by the Mount Olive Marauders
Football association, I don't know what the procedure is,
they addressed a letter to Eric, I don't know if you are aware
of this, that they have been paying to keep the facility that
they use for their football program. I guess up at the Chester
Stevens School and other programs have used it. They are saying
here in the letter that it has caused our program a great
financial loss, has destroyed the playing field itself, through
the constant heavy traffic. They are submitting a proposal,
well not really a proposal, they are asking for help from
the Township and the Board of Education for some financial
assistance. I don't know what the next step in that would
Mrs. Daggon: What we have suggested is to pass their proposal
onto the mutual facilities committee and on to Dave's committee
to consider how we could work that out with the Board of Education.
In terms of
Recreation a portion of that particular proposal, we have
already talked with them and complied with their desires.
President Scapicchio: That's it. Any other reports? Seeing
none that brings us to the Public Portion of this meeting.
Anyone from the Public?
David Jones, Route 46 Budd Lake: I was just wondering how
the budget is coming along. I was wondering of there has been
any attempt or headway to hold the line on taxes as we heard
in the last election as promised by the four Council members?
President Scapicchio: The only thing I could report to you
Dave is that we had two budget Meetings so far, both on Saturday
Mornings. We have another one scheduled for this coming Saturday.
The Council is in the process of questioning all of the departments
and gathering all of the information. Once we do that, we
as a group will then go through that budget and try to identify
the potential cost savings wherever we may find those. We
have not made any determination to date. The process we are
following right now is just sort of fact finding and information
for us. It is a process that takes us about eight budget Workshop
meetings to get through.
Mr. Rattner: It should not take that long.
President Scapicchio: Well we have had two so far, we have
Mr. Rattner: The biggest thing is talking to each department,
answering all questions, what the priorities are? What some
of the things are in the budget. You heard some of the questions
come up tonight on the Bill List. We are not here during the
day. So this is our opportunity to learn what they are doing.
Why they need the equipment and materials. Things like the
Public Works Department. When you're talking about roads,
drainage, some of the utilities. We needed a good understanding.
So at this point we are just gathering the information. Once
we have it, then we'll in our minds set the priorities. The
Mayor has proposed the budget saying this is what I need to
run the Town the way I see it. Basically what he has to do
is that he comes to us and he has to convince us or show what
he wants to do, and then we vote on it.
Mr. Jones: Does Council make any recommendations to the Mayor?
Mr. Rattner: The budget is actually the other way around.
It is the Mayor's recommendation, and then it becomes the
Council's budget. Then we pass it, then it goes back to the
Mayor and he has to operate within that for the year. Right
now, the Mayor's recommendation when we get through with it
then you could basically say it was the Council's budget.
It is a shared process.
Mr. Greenbaum: I have a question for Mr. Jones. I noticed
that you were at the first meeting , and you had a chance
to take a look a the budget, I just wondered what recommendations
Mr. Jones: I was wondering if there is any way we could lower
the premium or whatever you call it that we pay to JIF. The
joint insurance fund. I noticed we pay the most out of any
Township in this fund, and I have a lot of questions on that.
As to why we would pay the most out of any Township. We are
not the largest Township, are we?
Mayor Licitra: We are the largest.
Mr. Dorsey: Mt. Olive's population is 28,000, and therefore
you probably are the largest and you probably have the most
employees. JIF is essentially made up of I wouldn't say the
smaller towns, but it certainly is not, Parsippany for instance
is the largest town in the County. It is not part of the JIF.
I believe Mt. Olive is the largest.
Mr. Greenbaum: What else do you have? I am writing down recommendations,
I would just like to hear what else you have?
Mr. Jones: If we could go to JIF and say look, is there any
way we can lower our premiums. What we pay, or take a look
at it. Look at possible alternatives. I know apparently they
are saving us a lot of money from what I am told from everybody
on the Council, and Mr. Dorsey. But it is a big chunk of money.
Mr. Greenbaum: What else do you have?
Mr. Jones: Well, there are a couple of other things. I am
just going to mention one of them right now. There is silly
little things like here is a question for Mr. Perkins. I noticed
you asked double of the amount of what you spent last year
for the Pride Committee. I am just wondering if you are going
to put up more billboards and stuff like that.
Mr. Perkins: We have never put up a billboard, it has been
repeatably conveyed to you, Dave, that the billboard that
was up, the Township owns it, and the decorations cost the
Township nothing, so those funds are not used anywhere for
billboards. They are used for decoration.
Mr. Jones: So why would the Pride Committee need double the
amount it did last year?
Mayor Licitra: Do you have a problem with what the Pride
Committee is doing in this Town?
Mr. Jones: To be totally honest with you Mr. Licitra, I think
that you folks use it as a political stepping stone to get
on to the Council.
Mayor Licitra: Even if that is the case. It is bringing pride
to Mt. Olive. I don't want to argue the attributes of it.
I have been getting nothing but compliments on what the Pride
Committee has been doing. If you have a problem, bring it
Mr. Jones: My problem is that I don't think the Township
needs to be told they have to be proud of Mt. Olive. In fact
I think they are already proud of being a resident in Mt.
Olive. I don't know why we even need a Pride Committee to
tell the People to be proud they live here.
Mr. Greenbaum: Dave, I would like to focus back on your recommendations
for cutting the budget. I want to keep this away from a political
aspect. I understand your concern about JIF which is a big
number. The Pride Committee is a small number and will be
dealt with by Council. They will make a presentation as to
their need and what the money is used for and I expect that
you will be in the audience when the Pride Committee comes
so you will understand exactly what the monies are spent for
at that time. But I would like to hear your recommendations
for cutting the budget. Are those your only concerns?
Mr. Jones: Those are the Major concerns I have right now,
but I am sure I will have more. If you want, I could address
the Council in a letter or however you would like me to.
Mr. Greenbaum: I assume he is going to be given an opportunity
to address the Council. The Public is given an opportunity
to address the Council on the budget at some point in time
in the process, so that would be the best time to do it.
Mr. Jones: My main concern is and it was a big thing in the
last election, how you folks said you were going to hold the
line on taxes. Is this an invisible line. Is it like the coyote/roadrunner
situation, where they draw a new line every day?
Mr. Geenbaum: The question you are now asking is unfair.
The Council is reviewing the budget that was presented to
us from the Mayor.
President Scapicchio: I think I told you several meetings
ago that I am sure that the Mayor and Administration labored
before they put forth a budget that had a four tax point increase.
This Council is now going through the process of reviewing
what the Mayor has presented, we were talking to all of the
department heads who have put together their budget and we
will make a determination on whether or not we agree with
the Mayor in whole, in part or in no way at all. We just don't
know that yet. We are going through that process. Once we
go through that process and we make that determination this
question may be valid. Right now it is not.
Mr. Greenbaum: I have a problem with you politicizing this
issue before I have had chance to do what I need to do to
make a decision as I see fit. If you are going to come up
here and criticize me for a decision I have not made, and
you have offered two items. Two recommendations. One of which
is on an irrelevant amount of money in terms of the overall
budget and the second, there may be no leeway in terms of
the amount of premium that is paid. To criticize me at this
point in time for decisions for which I have not made yet,
at least come up here with something that I could use to my
benefit to help me help you keep the budget as low as possible.
Mr. Jones: I am not trying to criticize you, I am asking you
folks if you have made any attempt to hold the line on taxes.
Mr. Greenbaum: You don't need to come up here and keep talking
about the promises which may or may not have been made during
the campaign. All you need to do is come up and say what attempts
are being made on the budget to keep it at its current level
so that there are no increases.
Mr. Jones: Okay, so what attempts have been made?
Mr. Greenbaum: I think that was explained amply by Dave who
told you that we haven't got to the point where we are recommending
cuts from the budget. The process is moving forward, your
question is premature.
Mr. Jones: How is it premature if you make the decision to
approve the budget?
Mr. Greenbaum: You are not listening
Mr. Jones: I am listening.
Mr. Greenbaum: You're not. That is not the way the process
works. We bring in all of the different departments, we hear
what they have to say, and we decide at that point not on
a rolling basis, but overall, once we have heard what everyone
has to say, as to what we are going to do with the budget.
Mr. Jones: It is not just me either, it's the whole Township.
They're really upset. It was publicized in the papers. I did
not publicize it.
Mr. Greenbaum: You are not listening.
Mr. Jones: I am listening. I understand it is a process,
but I am hoping that you can take an active stand in the process
to save the Township money, because taxes have gone up every
single year, for the last 10 years.
Mr. Greenbaum: That is not true.
Mr. Jones: If you include the sewer assessments.
Mr. Guenther: That is not a tax Mr. Jones.
Mr. Jones: The Township considers it money that they pay
to the Township. Overall, it is what the Township uses to
run the systems.
Mr. Greenbaum: I have one other thing to say.
Mr. Jones: I am not trying to upset you.
Mr. Greenbaum: You have upset me, and I'll tell you why.
We gave you the answer that the budget is being
Mr. Jones: The answer was not good enough.
President Scapicchio: Dave, what kind of a process would
you suggest we follow if you are not satisfied with the process
I have explained to you?
Mr. Jones: I would like to see you set up some kind of committee
or a come up with a concrete plan to save money somewhere.
Mr. Guenther: That is exactly what we are doing. Those are
the budget Meetings we are having every Saturday morning.
We have sat here for two Saturdays in a row. We will probably
be here several more. The job is to go through each department,
and as I stated before, with a fine tooth comb to satisfy
ourselves that the increases are justified. Then we will come
to a conclusion. We can't come to a conclusion before we have
the facts. I think it is fair on our part. It is only fair
to the Mayor and the Administration to give the department
heads the opportunity to defend the numbers that they put
in. That is all we are doing. Then we reach a decision. We
are here as a governing body, we are not here to
Mr. Guenther (cont'd): prejudge. Granted, our political position
might have been that we don't want to increase taxes and it
is still my position. However, I am not going to prejudge
a budget based on that and say, well Paul, I don't like this
budget just slash $50,000.00 here and Slash $100,000.00 here.
That does not make any sense. You have got to go through every
line item. I have reviewed budgets in my previous career,
for 25 years I used to do it. I prepare budgets and that is
the way it is done. You do not prejudge ahead of time until
you get through the process. That is what we are in the process
of doing. If you wish to be a contributor to the process,
please come on Saturday morning.
Mr. Jones: I was there the first meeting but I could not
make the last one.
Mr. Guenther: Well fine. Come to the next meeting I am sure
Mr. Scapicchio will give you the opportunity to speak, and
you may comment. Go through the budget in fine detail, as
Rob has requested and come up with concrete suggestions.
Mr. Jones: Every penny counts too.
Mr. Guenther: You are standing here, stumping. It sounds
like you are in the middle of Hyde Park in London just talking
for the sake of talking.
Mr. Jones: No.
Mr. Guenther: Yes you are.
Mr. Jones: No
Mr. Guenther: It is a political statement that you are making.
We are trying to do our job as we are empowered to do by the
Public. For you to come and make a general comment here that
everybody in Town, and I am sure to have not polled everybody
Mr. Jones: I haven't, you're right.
Mr. Guenther: Exactly. So don't make that statement.
Mr. Greenbaum: Nobody wants to pay higher taxes. Nobody.
I don't. I am sure the Mayor doesn't. I am sure Dave doesn't,
but it is a question of what the Township needs and what's
justified in terms of spending. That's the process that we
are going through and ultimately it is my hope that there
will be no tax increase. That's my hope.
President Scapicchio: Thanks Rob. Dave, as you know as Council
President, I have opened up to the Public, every budget Meeting
we have had so far, for the Public to comment or offer suggestions
on the subjects that we have covered that day. My plan is
to continue to do that through this process. So if you would
like to contribute, and you have some constructive suggestions
in areas where we could find some cost savings, we would welcome
all of those suggestions at these Workshop Meetings. Thank
you. Anyone else from the Public?
Richard Bonte, Budd Lake: This is sort of related to Ord.
#4 - 2002, which is the refurbishment of the Budd Lake Ladder
Truck, but not specifically aimed at that Ordinance, although
that is what brought it up. Have we gone to bid yet for that.
President Scapicchio: Yes we have, for the fire truck.
Mr. Bonte: Even though the Ordinance has not been passed
President Scapicchio: Mr. Dorsey, we had an Executive Session
on that, would you like to comment?
Mr. Dorsey: Are we talking about the same truck?
President Scapicchio: Is this a different truck? Mayor, Sherry?
Mrs. Jenkins: It is the same truck. We had previously done
a Bond Ordinance with that last year. We needed to amend it
for about I believe it was $13,000, which is what this is
for, but the majority of the funding had already been approved
through last years capital process.
Mr. Bonte: Who wrote the bid specs for this?
Mr. Dorsey: The same as in every case the Fire Department
puts together a committee that drafts the specks.
Mr. Bonte: We are not going to have a situation like we had
with the rescue squad vehicle?
Mr. Dorsey: No, this was done internally.
President Scapicchio: To the best of our knowledge it was
Rich, I mean that's the representations that we're making.
Mr. Bonte: That is all I really wanted to find out. To make
sure that we weren't getting into a conflict like we did the
last time. Thank you.
Mr. Greenbaum: I want to add something to what Rich was relating
to, it's a discussion I have had allowed with Rich before.
Specifically, the issue of whether or not a company which
prepares the bid should be aloud to bid on those bids, is
somewhat problematic and something that we should take a look
at closer, perhaps at a workshop. There are all kinds of concerns.
Flags which go up when you allow a company to write the bids
and also bid on the bid which they write. I know it is an
issue which Rich has raised in the past. I think it is a good
issue and something that should be explored further.
Mr. Dorsey: One thing we do know about these bids. They were
not written by one of the bidders because all bidders had
problems with the specs. It is not the usual inside job.
Mr. Greenbaum: I am not talking about this specific bid,
President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the Public on any
Colleen Labow, Budd Lake, NJ: I just want to ask a question
about the Board of Education budget. Remember you had your
committee and you came up with your recommendations and you
cut $775,000.00. It went back to them, but they did not have
to take your suggestions you just tell them the amount and
then they could either take what you suggested. With the Town
budget, I have absolutely no experience. Is that the same
kind of a thing? Or what you say gets cut or you just give
Mayor Licitra an amount and
Mr. Dorsey: Ultimately the Council adopts the budget, so
at that point as Rob has said it then becomes the Councils
budget so the final product will be by way of an Ordinance,
although we always refer to it as the budget, it will be introduced.
Then at a subsequent meeting there will be a Public Hearing.
At that point if it is adopted by the Council, it becomes
the Council's budget.
President Scapicchio: That was not the question she asked.
Colleen can you ask the question again?
Mrs. Labow: I am using the example of the Board of Education.
You made the suggestions where you felt the areas were to
cut, but then they only had to take the amount and they could
take cuts wherever they wanted. Does the Town budget work
the same way, or do you say we are going to cut, here, here
Mr. Rattner: No. For some reason we are under a lot more
strict guidelines. When we approve the budget, we approve
the budget by department by two categories; salary and wages,
and other expenses. The Mayor could only spend in those departments
within those accounts. That's why we have budget Transfer
Resolutions at the end of the year. The State Statute does
not allow you to transfer funds between departments or expense
lines until November 1st. That does not say that if one department
runs out of paper or supplies that it is just paid out of
somebody else's budget. The budget that goes down to Trenton,
the budget that is published actually shows each department
and shows salaries as one line, and expenses as another. Within
those lines the Mayor has a certain amount of latitude as
he should because he has to run the Town on a day to day.
Then we have the same thing with capital. Capital is a completely
separate budget that has to be handled, but there it's specific
and usually we get a second chance at it. Just because you
put money in a Capital budget, it still has to come back the
Council for an Ordinance for a purchase or the bidding or
that type of thing.
Mrs. Labow: So basically the budget Hearings that you go
through all these weeks. It is very detailed and it is not
like you guys are going to come up with a lump sum. You guys
are going to be working
Mrs. Labow (cont'd): together each week and every step of
Mr. Rattner: We have the control over the Ordinance for enabling
and then we get the Bill List because we have to approve the
checks to be actually mailed out.
President Rattner: Anyone else from the Public? Seeing none
we will close the Public Portion of this meeting.
Mr. Perkins: If Jill would stick around for anybody from
recreation Howie or anybody else that wants to talk to her
relative to on line registration. If you have any specific
questions, she is the one that worked together with the contractor
and the contract. She knows the answers better than we do.
Mr. Guenther: I have one comment, it is regarding the Pride
Committee. I was one of the original members. I always thought
it was a good idea and maybe the Title is a misnomer, but
when you look at what the Pride Committee does, it tries to
create some sense of how could I put it. Call it a beautification
committee. They are trying to create decent entry signs coming
into Town, create vegetation and decorations with the change
of seasons. This you see at almost all Municipalities. All
we are tying to do is create some pride. Maybe pride is the
wrong name for the committee, but it is a committee meant
to attempt to try to beautify the Town. That is a large part
of the job. I mean we have been trying but unsuccessful. We
are trying to get the adopt a road program off the ground,
but all these kinds of things. That is really 90 percent of
what the Pride Committee does. If you don't like the name,
then change the name. Essentially that's the mission that
the Pride Committee has taken upon itself with very few funds.
The first year there weren't any funds. Contributions were
made, and there was cooperation from other people. That's
my only comment.
President Scapicchio announced that the Council has an Executive
Session and the meeting will go right into Business Matters
Re: FOP Contract negotiations
According to Section 7 & 8 of the Open Public Meetings
Mr. Spino moved that we go into Executive Session for Contract
Negotiation and Mrs. Miller seconded that motion.
Motion made to go into Executive Session at 8:42 pm. Following
Executive Session a Motion was made for Adjournment. All in
Favor, none opposed. The Meeting Adjourned at 9:02 pm.
I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount
Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true
and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened
meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on April
LISA M. LASHWAY
Mount Olive Township Clerk