Township Council Minutes
August 6, 2002
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council
was called to order at 7:30pm by Council President Scapicchio
with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
MOMENT OF REFLECTION
President Scapicchio: If everyone would just join us. At
these Public Meetings, we now do a moment of reflection
of the men and women fighting terrorism and defending the
freedom that we all enjoy.
OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT ANNOUNCEMENT
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice
of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle
and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted
at in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road,
Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting
ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller,
Mr. Perkins, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Spino, Mr. Scapicchio
Also in attendance: Mayor Licitra; Sherry Jenkins, CFO;
Cynthia Spencer, Business Administrator; John Dorsey, Township
Attorney; and Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD - None
TURKEY BROOK PARK PROJECT STATUS
Mrs. Spencer: At this point the construction project is
55% completed. The paths are done the pond is done, the
main irrigation mane is in. Irrigation is all staked out
and the lines are being laid on all the fields. The fence
of middles are in and being reviewed by Olympus. The Soccer
Fields have been rocked, raked, and Roto Daironed. One more
dakota test is to be done on the fields before sodding.
Slopes are raked and stabilized and additional bollards
have been set in place. Jim Lynch is sorry he couldn't be
here tonight, but he would like you to know that he is very
pleased with the soil remediation that took place and with
the quality that remains. The contractor has come to us
and offered to sod all four fields, the soccer fields and
what that will do is do away with the need to do herbicides
and things on the ground. We will be assured that the grass
that is being put in is exactly what we want and it will
give the roots a longer term in which to stabilize before
we open the park in June, so that is good news. The clay
liner is almost complete in the retention basin and we finally
received the power layout from GPU, however we are still
struggling to get them to provide the power with it in a
timely manner. They are saying three months and we need
it prior to that to make sure we could use the irrigation
to get the sod in and everything else. So that work is being
coordinated with Olympus and with Schoor Depalma working
with GPU to try to get that moving. If we can't we will
put in a temporary power pole and use a generator. So there
are alternatives should they be needed. All and all the
contractor reports is now ahead of schedule. Any questions?
Mrs. Miller: So you are not going to use any herbicides
or insecticides at all because you are using the sod instead?
Mrs. Spencer: On the soccer fields.
Mrs. Miller: What about the other fields?
Mrs. Spencer: I don't know the answer to that at this point
but because they are different compositions I will report
back when I do know.
Mrs. Miller: I am not going to vote for any herbicides
or pesticides. I have been finding all sorts of information
on the internet and they are all scare stories. These are
very toxic chemicals and some of these chemicals can't even
be stored together. They can't be stored with fertilizers
or seed. So I have some great concerns.
Mayor Licitra: Charlene do me a favor, I know I have talked
to Jim about this and he has done some research also, would
you share your information with Jim?
Mrs. Miller: Sure, I would be glad to.
Mr. Guenther: I would like to make a suggestion. This comes
of kind of a surprise to me that this is even being considered
and that it is dangerous. I would like to have the Administration
do a survey of our surrounding towns that have a lot of
athletic facilities to see what they have done or are doing.
Mainly Washington Township, Roxbury and Randolph. They have
extensive recreation facilities and I would like to find
out their policies and how they are handling this issue.
Mayor Licitra: Okay no problem.
Mr. Rattner: I read Mrs. Miller's memo with some interest
and I agreed to some of what she said and some of it I don't
understand however, I do accept the fact that we live in
a world where chemicals and things like that are part of
our lives and everything we take, most medicines, vitamins
and things like that are chemical compounds. They all have
side effects but you have to look at the benefit vs. the
bad effects. I agree that we shouldn't use anything that's
dangerous, but we know we have more; we have stronger viruses
because of antibiotics but I don't think anybody would give
that up. You could go around and worry about deer ticks
and Lyme Disease if there was simple spray because people
are worried about that. You probably have the majority of
people who live in an area like this and said lets take
care of the deer tick. Of course you are not going to do
something that causes more harm. But hopefully we could
find reasonable items so that the fields can be used, we
don't have to worry about overgrowth of undesirable poisonous
plants. We don't have to worry about insects that also can
cause illness, that type of thing. So with that I think
we just have to go in and intelligent way and make sure
we are using the best and safest that is out there, but
not just dismiss all of them as being bad.
Mr. Dorsey: I assume you received on Monday a rather lengthy
update in terms of our various pieces of litigation. I was
terribly impressed this week that Councilman Rattner and
the Vice Chairman of the Council, Councilman Guenther apparently
checked the internet regularly to see about recent legal
decisions. They picked up on August 1, 2002 the fact that
Supreme Court had rendered a 90 page opinion in connection
with Toll Brothers vs. West Windsor which is the case that
I was advised that the Supreme Court was holding the Mount
Olive Complex request for consideration by the Supreme Court
up until there was a decision in that case. I have read
the decision in that case. I think Mount Olive's situation
is very easily distinguished from the situation in West
Windsor because the fact of the matter is that we have fully
complied with our Mt. Laurel obligation whereas West Windsor
was accused and ultimately found in this decision to have
in many ways attempted to swear it's obligation and it unlike
Mount Olive had indeed applied for COAH to COAH and receive
substantial new certification. There are a couple of interesting
lines in the Toll Brothers West Windsor case, one is the
courts again affirmation of placing a great deal of emphasis
on the State plan. The State plan is so important to our
situation because it is the designation in the state plan
that led in the 1990's to a significant decrease in the
Township's Mt. Laurel Obligation and is the backbone for
the defense of the five acre zone. The court again emphasized
it's desire that municipalities submit to COAH and we did
that after the litigation and there was no objection by
Mt. Olive Complex and COAH approved our Fair Housing Plan.
I also not with some trepidation that on the same day a
trial Judge in Somerset County involving a case involving
East Amwell which is real country upheld a 10 acre zone
down there that had been challenged; I hate to, Mr. Spino,
because he will want to change all of our Ordinances immediately.
A similar 10 acre zone is now being challenged in Bernardsville
on a mountain which apparently is inhabited by various millionaires
most of who have more than 10 acres. I should also tell
you that the transcripts in connection with the trial involving
Fire Tower Estates had been completed by the Plaintiff that
is one of his obligations in filing the appeal and his brief
should be due I am going to say within three to four weeks.
In connection with Mr. Greenbaum's qualifying Ordinance
which was Ordinance 7-2002 requiring anyone who submits
a sub-division to submit a so called qualifying map. It
has been challenged not withstanding but the same attorneys
who challenge it have now submitted qualifying maps in connection
with the number of developments and have never specified
to us what is wrong with that ordinance. That Challenge
goes on, there was a pretrial last week and is now scheduled
for trial in January of 2003.
Mr. Greenbaum: Just a couple of issues real quick; in fact
Mr. Goldstein's firm was before the Planning Board at the
end of July on Gen III and came in with a qualifying map
as recently as that
Mr. Greenbaum (cont'd): but I also understand that Mr. Goldstein
was in for a triple or quadruple bypass and I have not heard
anything yet as to the success of the operation which I
hope went well.
President Scapicchio: Thanks Rob.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS:
July 23, 2002 CS Present: Mr. Guenther, Mrs. Miller, President
Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner
Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Perkins
Absent: Mr. Spino
Mr. Perkins moved for approval of the minutes and Mrs.
Miller seconded the motion
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr.
Letters from Organizations, Boards etc.
1. Letter received July 26, 2002, from St. Elizabeth Ann
Seton regarding Carnival (no parking on streets: Main Street,
Park Place, Gervic Street, Bent Street, West Grover Street,
Patriots Way, and Clark Lane.)
Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from other Municipalities
2. Resolution received July 22, 2002, from the Borough
of Netcong regarding support of Assembly Bill No. A-2245.
League of Municipalities
3. Letter received July 30, 2002, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding Request for information
related to OPRA and Executive Order 21 Compliance costs.
DOT / DEP / Permit's / LOI's
4. Letter received July 22, 2002, from Lawrence B. Litwin
regarding RoNetco Supermarkets, Inc. / Off tract signs.
5. Letter received July 23, 2002, from the State of New
Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding
Morris County YMCA Dam.
6. Letter received July 24, 2002, from the State of New
Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding
30 Day Extension Letter Applicant: Information Services
International Block 104, Lot 1 (100 International Drive)
7. Letter received July 31, 2002, from the New Jersey Department
of Environmental Protection regarding Letter of Interpretation
- Line Verification Applicant: SK Realty and Development
Corporation. Block 4500, Lots 35&36 (104-106 Route 206
and Goldmine Road)
8. Letter received July 31, 2002, from Wander Ecological
Consultants regarding Application for Letter of Interpretation,
regulatory line verification Location: Block 4501, Lot 2.
(113 Route 206)
MSA / MUA
9. Minutes received July 22, 2002, regarding the Musconetcong
Sewerage Authority June 5th meeting.
10. Letter received July 22, 2002, from the Musconetcong
Sewerage Authority regarding a Resolution Authorizing the
Issuance of Sewer Revenue Bonds of the Musconetcong Sewerage
11. Letter received July 26, 2002, from Larry Kron, Esq.
Attorney for the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding
Comment on Draft Permit Action
Correspondence from Legislative Representatives
12. Newsletter received July 26, 2002, from Congressman
Frelinghuysen regarding Transportation Summit, Progress
of cleanups at Superfund Sites, Tougher Punishments for
Corporate Criminals, Federal Assistance to help provide
Housing for Morris County, Consideration of Two Appropriations
Bills and Homeland Security.
13. Letter received August 1, 2002, from Senator Richard
H. Bagger regarding Resolution expressing Support for Assembly
Cable / Utilities
14. Fax received August 1, 2002, from Comcast regarding
announcement of New Positions.
President Scapicchio stated that we had 14 pieces of correspondence
on the agenda and asked Council had any comments on same.
Mr. Greenbaum: I had a question for Mr. Dorsey related
to Shoprite coming in; the letter. I don't know if this
is the appropriate time.
President Scapicchio: Sure.
Mr. Greenbaum: Shoprite is coming in, I don't know if you
are aware of it, they are coming into a Workshop meeting
in August related to the potential leasing of Township property
to put a sign related to their potential; you know that
they have been approved. They have their site approval for
the old Weiss property. The one thing that was denied was
the variance related to a 60 foot sign that they wanted.
They now seek to come before Council to get approval subject
to approval from the Board of Adjustment for a dvariance
to put a sign on the triangular piece of property at the
intersection of Route 206 and I guess the Bartley extension
where I guess we currently have some type of pumphouse on
that property. So they are going to want to know the appropriateness
whether or not that's something that the Town can enter
into to what the requirements are going to be, whether or
not that is something that is going to have to go out to
bid because I imagine that there might be other people who
might be interested in blocking or using that piece of property.
Mr. Dorsey: I suspect that they can't do anything, I wouldn't
even think that they could make an application to the Board
of Adjustment unless the Council were to as the owner of
the property authorize the application to be made.
Mr. Greenbaum: Well that is why they are coming in.
Mr. Dorsey: I would think the first decision to be made
is whether or not the Township Council will think it appropriate
to use Township property for such a use regardless of who
the user may be. If the answer to that is no, then it seems
to me that is the end of that issue. If the answer is yes
then I think you are right it is a sale of significant rights
of Township owned property and it would have to go out to
Mr. Greenbaum: If the Council were so inclined there is
nothing inappropriate about that type of
Mr. Dorsey: Other than, of course, it currently violates
the Zoning Ordinance and any arrangement would have to be
subject to the Board of Adjustment and Planning in such
Mr. Greenbaum: Well, I think that Shoprite's proposal is
to first come before Council to see if they are inclined
to that process ultimately subject to Board of Adjustment
approval for the "D" variance.
Mrs. Miller: I would like to see maps. When they come in
the better have plenty of maps.
President Scapicchio: I guess the way we are going to proceed
Charlene, they had sent a letter requesting a meeting with
the Council, I had Lisa respond and we invited them to the
August 20th workshop. Rob is a little bit more familiar
with this than the rest of us because I guess they've broached
this subject at the Planning Board level to some degree.
Mr. Greenbaum: Obviously the issue of the sign was broached
and then subsequent to that at the time that they made their
approach to Council I did receive a phone call from Mr.
Litwin just basically trying to feel out whether or not
this is something that Council might be inclined to do.
President Scapicchio: I guess Charlene, we will listen
to their proposal and then the Council will have to take
it under advisement to see if we are inclined to do that
and then with Mr. Dorsey's help if President Scapicchio
(cont'd): we are we will have to then move forward with
whatever kind of Bidding requirements that we would have
to go through to allow that to happen.
Mrs. Miller: I think that if we are discussing Municipal
owned land, we also have to put that form through to all
of our departments for their opinions. Remember, we have
a form and that has to be done as well. Again I want to
see maps of exactly where it is and how big the property
President Scapicchio: Okay, so Lisa maybe you can even
follow up with a phone call on Ronetco's Attorney and just
inform them that you have a Council member that wants to
see maps and to make sure they come back with maps.
Mr. Greenbaum: Dave I believe that when Mr. Litwin submitted
his letter to come to Council it included the map and a
drawing as to the sign that they proposed.
President Scapicchio: Okay well lets just put the burden
on them Rob so they come in here prepared.
Mr. Greenbaum: I believe that it was submitted at their
President Scapicchio: Okay. Anything else on correspondence?
Seeing none we'll move forward with Ordinances for Public
ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING
Ord. #28-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive
to Amend the Permitted Principle Uses as Provided for In
§ 400-101, A (1) Entitled "Nonresidential Districts"
Within Article VII Entitled "Zoning District Use and
Bulk Regulations" Contained in Chapter 400 Entitled
"Land Use" (Laundromats)
President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. No.
President Scapicchio closed the Public Hearing on Ord.
Mr. Guenther moved for adoption and final passage on Ordinance
28-2002. Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
President Scapicchio declared Ord. No. 28-2002 as passed
on second reading and hereby direct the Clerk to forward
a copy of same to the Mayor and publish the notice of adoption
as required by law.
Ord. #30-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive
Amending and Supplementing Section 4-83 of the Mount Olive
Code Pursuant to the Open Public Records Act, P.L. 2001,
President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord.
President Scapicchio closed the Public Hearing on Ord.
Mrs. Miller moved for adoption and final passage of Ord.
No.30-2002. Mr. Guenther seconded
President Scapicchio: Council Discussion? Seeing none.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
President Scapicchio: Okay Ordinance numbers 31-2002, 32-2002,
and 33-2002 are various bond and Capital Ordinances that
are going to be revised by the Administration.
Mr. Rattner: Just Ordinance No. 31-2002.
Mrs. Spencer: But actually they're all part of the same
President Scapicchio: So they all have to be redone Steve,
Mrs. Spencer: I don't know. Does it matter? John would know.
We are going to bundle them for the actual financing but
that probably does not matter.
Mr. Dorsey: Ordinance No. 31 has to get killed.
President Scapicchio: So we have to defeat it?
Mr. Dorsey: Yes. I didn't hear any comments in terms of
Ord. No.32 or No. 33.
Mr. Rattner: Ord. No.32 and No. 33 are fine.
Mr. Dorsey: Entertain a motion to table Ordinance No. 31-2002.
Ord. #31-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing for Various Capital
Improvements of the Township of Mount Olive, in the County
of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating the Aggregate Amount
OF $2,040,070 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $1,719,565
Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost
President Scapicchio made to table Ord. No. 31-2002. Mrs.
Miller seconded the
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
President Scapicchio: Cynthia for clarification Ord. No.
32-2002 and No. 33-2002, do either one of those ordinances
include the items that we requested you to delete this evening
Mrs. Spencer: No, they do not.
President Scapicchio: Okay.
Ord. #32-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing for Various Sewer
Utility Improvements in and by the Township of Mount Olive,
in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $109,150
Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $103,692 Bonds
or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.
President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord.
President Scapicchio closed the Public Hearing on Ord.
Mr. Rattner moved for adoption and final passage of Ordinance
No. 32-2002. Mr. Perkins seconded the motion.
President Scapicchio: Council Discussion?
Mr. Perkins: In that Ordinance as well as the next one.
I see we are getting the motorized trench compactor two
times. Is there some reason that we approved two motorized
trench compactors? We have utility body with plow, pickup
with a plow, security system for the sewer facilities and
motorized trench; which are the identical items with the
exception of tank painting and curb boxes that are in the
water. Is there a definite need to duplicate those Cindy?
Mrs. Spencer: I honestly don't know the answer. I had thought
that these issues had been pretty much decided on previously
and I did not prepare this Ordinance. I could get that answer
but I believe that everything that is printed in here is
what had been discussed previously.
Mr. Rattner: Did we buy anything and say it was going to
split between the two departments maybe?
Mrs. Spencer: I don't know the answer to that.
President Scapicchio: So, Steve is that where you are headed?
You think that it is listed in both because it is split.
Mr. Rattner: It could be, I remember the numbers, I went
over it real quick. These were the numbers that we agreed
President Scapicchio: Cynthia do you know if we are buying
one or two?
Mrs. Spencer: No.
Mr. Spino: Take it off.
Mr. Dorsey: Don't take it off, why don't you continue the
Public Hearing until the next meeting.
Mr. Spino: That is what I meant to do.
Mr. Greenbaum: Why can't we table it like we did with the
Mr. Dorsey: We may not want to kill it. You table it, you
kill it forever. You could just continue the Public Hearing
and take it up at the next meeting.
President Scapicchio: Either that or Cynthia if we need
to move forward can we
Mayor Licitra: The Workshop, Dave.
President Scapicchio: Is that what you want to do, Paul?
Mayor Licitra: Yes. If we could get you back the answer
and you are satisfied, let's do it at the workshop. When
is the next workshop?
Mrs. Spencer: The next workshop and the Public meeting
is the same night on August 20, 2002.
President Scapicchio: I am not going to be here on August
20th. Okay, so we want to continue the public hearing on
this ordinance until August 20th?
Mr. Dorsey: Yes. Let's get the record straight. Lisa, did
David open the Public Hearing on this?
Mrs. Lashway: Yes.
Mr. Dorsey: Then we should have a motion to continue the
Public Hearing on Ordinance No. 32-2002 to the Public Meeting
scheduled for August 20, 2002.
Mr. Greenbaum moved for approval and Mr. Guenther seconded
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
Ord. #33-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing for Various Water
Utility Improvements in and by the Township of Mount Olive,
in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $389,150
Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $369,692 Bonds
or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.
Mr. Greenbaum made a motion to continue discussion at the
Public Hearing on August 20, 2002. Mr. Rattner seconded
ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously
ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING
Ord. #34-2002 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the
Township of Mount Olive Establishing Salaries of the Department
Heads, Supervisory and Certain Non-Union Personnel and for
the Employees of the Township Clerk's Office for the Year
Mr. Guenther moved that Ordinance No. 34-2002 be introduced
by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting
be held on September 10, 2002 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal
Building 204 Flanders Drakestown Road, Mount Olive, New
Jersey, for a Public Hearing, consideration of second reading
and passage of said ordinance and that the Clerk be directed
to publish post and make available said ordinance in accordance
with the requirements of the law. Mrs. Miller seconded the
President Scapicchio: Council discussion? Seeing none.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously with the exception of Mr.
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:
Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to
be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council
and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will
be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions
except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements
that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests,
any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed
from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.
1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing the Purchase of Two Vehicles for
the Department of Public Works. (Companion to Capital Ordinances)
President Scapicchio: We have one consent Consent Resolution.
Mrs. Miller: Two.
President Scapicchio: Well that is a companion to the Capital
Ordinance, right? So that needs to be removed. Mr. Rattner
could you please move Resolution No. 2.
2. A Resolution Authorizing the Refund of Taxes Due to
State Board Judgments. (Albert Burlando)
Mr. Rattner moved for adoption of Resolution No. 2 and
Mr. Spino seconded that motion.
President Scapicchio: Any Public comment on Resolution
No. 2. Council Discussion? Seeing none, Council Discussion?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
RESOLUTIONS NON CONSENT
3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Commending Phil "Sonny" Wolski on
Twenty-Seven Plus Years of Outstanding Service to the Township.
4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to Earth-Tec Associates
in the Amount of $121,050.00 for the Hopkins Street Drainage
5. Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive Township Council
Retaining Kenneth Gedicke for Architectural Design Services
for the Remediation of the Heating and Ventilation Systems
in the Municipal Building.
6. Resolution of the Township Council of the township of
Mount Olive Authorizing and Adopting 2002 Merit Awards to
Various Administrative Personnel.
President Scapicchio: We have four resolutions on the Non
Mr. Dorsey: But you can make them consent if you like.
President Scapicchio: If Council does not have a problem
Mr. Spino moved that we put them on as consent.
President Scapicchio: Okay there is just one clarification.
On Resolution No. 6, there is a typo; Sherry Jenkins; Chief
Financial Officer that amount should be $2,353 not the $2,477
as listed in this resolution. So this resolution is amended
to the correct amount $2,353. Mr. Guenther could you please
move resolutions 3, 4, 5, 6 as amended please.
Mr. Guenther moved resolutions 3, 4, 5 and 6 as amended.
Mr. Rattner seconded that motion.
President Scapicchio: Any public comment on resolution No.
3, 4, 5, and 6? Seeing none.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr.
voted no. on Number 6.
1. Bill List
Mr. Rattner moved the 17 page Bill List. Mr. Guenther seconded
ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously
2. Supplemental Bill - Ballentine Well Drilling (TBP).
Mr. Guenther moved the Supplemental Bill List and Mr. Greenbaum
seconded the motion.
Mr. Guenther: What is the explanation?
Mrs. Spencer: This is a $2,000 payment to Dan Ballentine
the well driller for Turkey Brook Park. The paper work had
come in about two weeks ago, it was sent back just to get
the vendor signature on the p.o. form. The contract had
been awarded by Council and it called for an upfront payment
of $2,000 so they could pay for their necessary certifications
and permits that they needed. Because the work is scheduled
to be done this week, when I doubled checked to make sure
it was on the Agenda and found out that it was sitting in
Finance I asked Lisa to please put it on for tonight.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
Library Board Liaison Report
Mrs. Miller: None at this time.
Mr. Guenther: There have been no meetings, since the last
Board of Health
Mr. Perkins: There have been no meetings, Mr. President.
Planning Board Report
Mr. Greenbaum: Planning Board met July 25, 2002 and considered
several development matters. There was a request from Mr.
Weiss. I am not sure whether or not it came from the Environmental
Commission and/or it was from Mr. Weiss directly related
to the requests of Council to hold the developers accountable
either by way of fine or some other method, or taking short
cuts with regard to their failure to comply with site plans
and building. There is no mechanism now to hold developers
accountable so that they build in accordance with the architectural
plans that they come in with. Specifically I know that Mr.
Weiss had a problem just in one instance with certain mechanical
equipment that was to be put on a roof of a particular building
and it wasn't shielded from noise appropriately. There were
other instances where fencing was not put in to some degree
and he wanted to explore whether or not that is something
that Council could put in some kind of mechanism to alleviate
that situation so that builders would say you know what,
I don't want to be fined I am going to comply exactly what
was submitted to the Planning Board.
President Scapicchio: Maybe you do not have the answer
to this but the plans that are submitted and approved either
by the Board of Adjustment or the Planning Board, are they
stamped or are they the same plans and specifications that
then get passed off to the Building Department?
Mr. Dorsey: They should be.
Mr. Greenbaum: I believe that is the case.
President Scapicchio: I mean they are not copies. They
are the in other words physically stamped and maybe signed
off as the ones that were reviewed at the Planning Board.
Mr. Greenbaum: I don't know that to be true but that is
not really where the problem is. The plans ultimately that
are approved by the Planning Board I believe that the same
plans that end up in the Building Department. The problem
is that once they are in the Building Department there is
no real mechanism to ensure that the Buildings are actually
built pursuant to the plans. Generally there is substantial
compliance I would imagine. But in certain instances and
with certain important factors such as mechanicals on roofs
and fencing and that kind of thing I think that builders
often don't complete the project as it came in before Planning
Board. Once it leaves Planning Board and goes to the Building
Department, the Planning Board has no further jurisdiction
or knowledge over what actually is being built. So I don't
know whether or not that the building department would then
have to go back and look at the plans and either fine or
I don't know what the procedure ultimately is. I don't know
if Mr. Dorsey has any comments.
Mr. Dorsey: My experience has been if someone receives
site plan approval and does not comply with the terms and
conditions of site plan approval the Zoning Officer would
file a municipal complaint that they have proceeded contrary
to the site plan for which they have received approval and
that is done somewhat frequently.
Mr. Greenbaum: So what you are saying is there is already
a mechanism in place.
Mr. Dorsey: I believe there is.
Mr. Greenbaum: Ultimately the result of the municipal complaint
is heard in Municipal Court?
Mr. Dorsey: Yes. It would be a fine.
Mr. Greenbaum: Well, I will go back and get further clarification
from the Planning Board with an explanation that there is
already a mechanism in place and what further do they want
Council do? I have a couple of development matters. Gen
II Builders was before Planning Board; it is a 32 residential
lot subdivision. They are looking to put in 32 houses. They
came in with the qualifying map which met Mt. Olive's Ordinances
and ultimately the qualifying map was approved. There was
no further action taken on their site plan application.
They are coming back in on August 15, 2002 specifically
with regard to the site plan. They did submit a qualifying
map which would allow them under our new cluster Ordinance
to build 32 houses. That is a development right off Mt.
Olive Road. Brinker came in and received final site plan
approval for both Chili's and for Macaroni Grill. Dan Nelson
was in; he proposes a 3 lot sub-division. In order to do
that he needs to vacate a portion of an existing road and
I guess the portion he is looking to vacate does not actually;
it is only on paper. The other part of the road, he needs
to do some kind of renovation to. There is an existing cul-de-sac
and he needs to extend the cul-de-sac further down the road
so that his lots have access and there were adjacent property
owner issues which had to be addressed so he is coming back
in. McDonalds came in and got site plan approval for the
Trade Zone South. The next meeting is August 15, 2002. We
have Gen III Builders coming back in, ABC Childcare, and
Chester Partnership Woodfield are the issues which are being
addressed in August.
Mayor Licitra: You will be happy to hear that we will be
getting street lights whenever we could on every body that
comes up before us.
President Scapicchio: That was going to be my next question.
What are you guys doing in regards to that?
Mr. Greenbaum: It's a difficult issue to deal with but
it was raised and it was argued and where we could, especially
with regard to Brinker. Brinker agreed to put a light in
there situated in a spot where it is going to be beneficial
because they are kind of between the two larger parcels
which are being developed.
President Scapicchio: Good. It is always tough to try to
get that stuff corrected after the fact.
Mr. Greenbaum: The Mayor was very beneficial in terms of
his argument with Brinker and getting the light.
Open Space Committee Report
Mrs. Miller: They don't have a meeting in August.
Legislative Committee Report
Mr. Guenther: I contacted Guy Gregg this week, unfortunately
we have been playing phone tag for the purpose of setting
up a meeting and trying to get a dialogue again with the
Department of Transportation regarding traffic issues on
Route 206 and 46.
President Scapicchio: Okay. There is no Master Plan to
report but I will say I guess about a week ago
Mayor Licitra: Just to piggy back on what Bernie was saying,
Gene spoke to Pete Russier from NJDOT and got an update
in regards to additional signage on Route 46 approaching
the International Drive South Intersection. They will be
installing some additional advance warning signs and some
larger signage to hopefully clear up this confusion. Additional
traffic markings are also in the process of being installed
which will help the situation. We are reissuing a work order
today to his maintenance department to get the signage installed.
He could not give Gene a time table when the work will be
completed but it is on its way.
Mr. Guenther: Since we are talking about traffic issues,
I meant to send you an e-mail. I think the issue came up
at the last meeting mentioned that I had a discussion with
Chuck several times. It is the left hand turn in the Perkins
Restaurant. If you could please research that from the resolution
of what they're required to do. To me the sign is first
of all in the wrong position. By the time somebody decides
to make a turn they passed the no left hand sign, the left
turn sign is to far in the property for someone to see.
Let's find out what they are required to do if they haven't
done it, they should be required to do it because there
are too many people trying to take a left turn there and
it is a very dangerous situation.
President Scapicchio: There is no Master Plan Committee
Report to give but a week ago several Council Members, the
Mayor, Business Administrator, Mr. Dorsey,Township Engineer
and Jim Lynch took a tour of Turkey Brook Park. It certainly
looks like they are making progress in a productive way.
I suggest that we have another tour in 20 or 30 days and
at some point in time when that site becomes safe, we will
have a tour the includes the press and the public if the
Engineer deems that to be appropriate and safe.
Mr. Guenther: Now that you brought up Turkey Brook, a comment
was made that the contractors offered to put in sodded fields.
Does that incur any additional costs to the Township on
Mrs. Spencer: No. None what so ever. He is doing this to
insure that it will meet all the growing seasons, it will
root properly and it won't be problematic because of all
Mr. Guenther: I wanted it on the public record to make
sure that we don't get hit up for additional expenses after.
Mrs. Spencer: There will be no additional cost for the
sod on the soccer fields we are talking about.
Mr. Guenther: The famous sand based field, was that going
to be sodded or seeded?
Mrs. Spencer: It will be now. It was discretionary whether
it be sodded or seeded in the original RFP.
Pride Committee Report
Mr. Perkins: There have been no meetings during the summer,
the next scheduled meeting is for the 20th. The new banners
were put up along the Lake. I know they are looking for
some more banners to get down into the Flanders area. The
Welcome to Mount Olive signs I believe one or two more has
just been delivered to the Department of Public Works. The
Clover Hill Treatment Plant one should hopefully be going
up this week.
Mr. Guenther: How many sponsors do we have?
Mr. Perkins: I think right now Bernie we have five total
sponsors. Hopefully when people drive by and they see how
nice they look and they see there is a sponsorship on it,
it kind of spurs a little interest in it. We will give them
maybe until the end of the year and then we will start embarrassing
them and go out to different municipalities and have it
sponsored by their competitors.
President Scapicchio: Thanks Ray. That brings us to the
Public Portion of this meeting. Anyone from the public?
Dave Jones, Budd Lake: I was just wondering how many gallons
of Round Up were used so far at Turkey Brook Park?
Mrs. Spencer: None
Mr. Jones: None. Because I asked Eugene Buczynski and he
said it was sprayed earlier this week.
Mrs. Spencer: Really, I was unaware of that but if Gene
said that, that is unbeknownst to me.
Mr. Jones: Maybe he misunderstood my question. I am just
curious as to what is going on with that.
Mayor Licitra: We will check it out and get back to you
Mr. Jones: Do you have my email address?
Mrs. Spencer: If you'll give it to me I would be happy
to e-mail you the information.
Mr. Jones: I was just wondering, are there going to be
any warning signs up when they use this if they have used
it already or are they planning on putting up warning signs?
Mayor Licitra: As far as Cindy and I were concerned there
was not anything being used. So this is news to me. As soon
as we check it out we will let you know that also.
Mr. Jones: Is Round Up used at any other parks in the Township
do you know?
Mrs. Spencer: I don't know the answer to that.
Mr. Jones: As far as the storage of the chemicals where
are they going to be stored when they are used.
Mrs. Spencer: The Township is not using these chemicals
at Turkey Brook, this is the contractor.
Mr. Jones: The contractor follows what the Township tells
him to do correct?
Mrs. Spencer: Correct but he would not be storing materials
on the site.
Mr. Jones: Are you sure about that?
Mrs. Spencer: Well it has not been discussed but there
are no storage facilities on the site at this time.
Mr. Jones: I was wondering if they were going to spray
just the fields or other parts of the park as well.
Mr. Greenbaum: Nothing is being sprayed.
Mr. Jones: It is not intended to be sprayed; it is not
going to be sprayed at all?
Mr. Greenbaum: It's a hard question to answer right now
because right now they don't have approval to spray anything.
Mr. Jones: So they have to get Council approval first?
I am just trying to figure out what is going on.
Mr. Greenbaum: As far as I know, nothing is contemplated
being sprayed until this issue is resolved. It is obviously
an important issue to Council. It is obviously a very important
issue to Charlene and I know that you would be particularly
upset if you had found out that they had sprayed.
President Scapicchio: Rob are you talking about spraying
Round Up? I believe that Round Up has been sprayed.
Mrs. Spencer: I will find out tomorrow.
Mr. Jones: What I would hope, this is what I am asking
Council to do. Before you use Round Up at all, please research
it thoroughly because it is a very toxic chemical and from
my understanding they were advertising it as biodegradable,
but it is not biodegradable. They were saying it was
Mr. Jones (cont'd): environmentally friendly which it is
not. I am just hoping the Council researches it and I actually
hope they ban further use of it all together, in the Township,
in any park in any capacity because from my understanding
it's a very toxic chemical. It is not just if you put up
signs or whatever. I mean somebody's cat could walk through
it. If their cat comes home and sits in the baby's crib
or something like, that you never know. Mysterious things
happen all of the sudden a kid gets sick or something like
that and it is just in my view an inappropriate use another
thing, convenience vs. Safety as far as weeds or whatever.
I rather live with the weeds than have all other sorts of
Mayor Licitra: We will get right back to you just as soon
as we find out if Round Up is being used and we will tell
you if it is being used in other portions of the Township.
Jerry Roskoff: Are there any plans on the part of the Township
with respect to if the weather changes and we get deluged
President Scapicchio: Ray, has the Board of Health addressed
that issue at all?
Mr. Perkins: The issue has not been addressed in Morris
County at least not in this area, as of yet Dave. I do know
that it is something that Frank and I discussed on Friday
night and will be bringing that up at the next Board of
Health meeting. So if you would like to attend that one
Jerry, that is coming up.
Mr. Roskoff: I'll be in Atlantic City. I am really getting
a little nervous because every time I turn on the T.V. I
am getting this crap about these mosquitos with the West
Nile thing and especially they tell me it is a deadly threat
to senior citizens I looked in the mirror the other day
and I found out I was one of them.
Mayor Licitra: All I could say is that we are also concerned
about it and I think the Board of Health is on top of it
but if I heard it was more than just a casual case in Morris
County or anywhere near us I would jump on it right away.
Mr. Roskoff: Quick question. A couple years ago, when that
West Nile thing first surfaced, I called the Board of Health
and I told them I found a dead bird on the property and
they said get rid of it. Is that going to be the philosophy
Mrs. Miller: I think they are more interested in dead crows.
Most birds that are found along the road or in people's
yards is because they have flown into windows but dead crows
are the ones that they are sending to the labs for inspection.
Mr. Roskoff: I hate to sound like a racist but I don't
know a crow from a bird.
Mrs. Miller: A crow is bigger and black.
Mayor Licitra: Did they ask you what kind of bird?
Mr. Roskoff: No.
Mayor Licitra: They should have asked you what kind of
bird it was.
Mr. Rattner: One thing, when you are talking about mosquitoes,
the County really has the responsibility for that and they
do a very good job. If you have any specific concerns, you
see sitting water in some rocks or something and think it
may be a breeding ground, if you let the Board of Health
know they will relay that information on to the Morris County
Mosquito Commission and Mr. Rattner (cont'd): they will
send somebody up to inspect it and decided what to do and
they do take requests like that. So they are constantly
surveying the County but they do take requests if they think
there is a place of sitting water or something they may
not know about. I know I have requested them before and
they have come down.
Mr. Roskoff: It seems to me the area around Sandshore would
be a good area to start looking at. But right now we are
lucky because it is dry.
Mr. Rattner: There are recurring areas that the County
inspects and they have a crew that constantly goes out.
They start in early Spring and do it until the Fall and
they decide depending on the location how to handle it.
There are different ways of handling different breeding
grounds. But if you find something that is different or
something that has changed or something that you think is
becoming a problem, let the Board of Health know and they
will put a call in.
Scott Leyshon, Flanders: Tinc Rd. and River Road, I kind
of expected that to be moving along but it is sitting there
for a couple of weeks now, is anything happening?
President Scapicchio: That is a County project, the Township
is not in charge of that. Cynthia could you maybe find out?
Mayor Licitra: I haven't been there in about a week or
so. You mean work has stopped on it?
Mr. Leyshon: For a while now.
Mr. Guenther: I just drove through there tonight. They
got the turn redone. They have a "do not enter"
sign coming up from Bartley Road on to River Road. and you
have to go to further up on Bartley to make the sharper
Mr. Leyshon: It looks like a nice job.
Mr. Guenther: To me it just looks like landscaping and
finishing off, tidying up that really needs to be done.
As far as the turn and the redirection of the roads; that
seems to be done from what I can tell.
Mr. Leyshon: Well it has the base coat and needs to be
finished and paved, there is a lot of work to be done.
Mr. Guenther: Maybe there is a period of time they need
to let that settle before they could put the other one on.
I don't know.
Mrs. Spencer: It is also a regular County road practice
that when they change the contour of the roads like that
to leave it on the subsurface so the drivers are more aware
of it so that they become familiar with the change in turns
and so they purposely wait between that sub-grading and
the final paving.
Mr. Leyshon: Okay. On Tinc Road itself further up, last
year there was changes made to the two curves. They were
widened slightly and the area next to the road was cut off
the ground I guess I don't know how you refer to that. That's
washing down the road. There is a lot of dirt and gravel
washing down the road every time we get a heavy rain. Nothing
was ever done to prevent the slopes on the side where those
curves are widened from eroding.
Mayor Licitra: How far up?
Mr. Leyshon: Just at the bottom of the road if you go up
there's two sharp turns as you head up the road, and they
were both widened last year.
Mayor Licitra: Okay, I know where you are talking about.
I am further up the road.
Mr. Leyshon: Those two, like I said there is a lot of dirt
and gravel coming down the road every rain.
Mrs. Spencer: I will bring that to the attention of the
Public Works Department.
President Scapicchio: Thank you. Anyone else?
Bob Elms, Budd Lake: As far as the Perkins sign goes, the
no left turn; I believe the problem is it is not a regular
state approved sign. It is not an arrow with a line through
it. It just says no left turn and it looks like something
that Perkins put up rather than the State Highway Department.
I don't know if even the State sign is going to prevent
them from making left turns in to there, in fact a friend
of mine was in the left hand lane and the woman made a left
hand turn from the right hand land and took the front off
President Scapicchio: Isn't that a double yellow line,
you are not allowed to make left hand turns off double yellow
Mr. Elms: Yes. All of those things.
Mr. Guenther: But a lot of people don't even know that.
Mr. Rattner: Double yellow lines are no passing, it has
nothing to do with turns.
Mr. Elms: But it definitely needs a State approved sign
there. As far as the blackbirds go, I had one on my property;
I called out animal control people. They asked me to look
at the bird and see if the beak was a black beak, it was.
They came up took the bird away and it turned out to be
a black bird but they are now examining several different
species of birds not only crows. Crows I guess are more
susceptible but they are finding other species with West
Nile. My next questions have to do somewhat with taxes.
On July 15, 2002, I guess the Township got a certification
of our new tax rate for the coming year. Our municipal local
tax rate went from .526 to .562 or up .036. Tied in to that
we have been banting about what the average tax parcel is
in the Township. I have heard $173, $176, I asked the Assessor
the Assessor said it is closer to $183. In today's Daily
Record, Mt. Olive's median home value is $198. If we are
going to use these figures it would be nice, I remember
some of my high school and college courses on median and
average and mean. We need to know how these are figured
out and what the actual figure is for the Township.
Mr. Rattner: Mr. Elms, before you go any further, I'll
tell you the average is in the low 180's. That article you
read; it was from the 2000 census and it was from a question
that was put on there when people were asked to put the
value of the house. Our assessments right now I believe
are at about what the State estimates was, 90% of true value.
When we talk about it because the way we tax is on assessed
value. I think if most people in Town were to look at their
assessment of their house they feel that they can sell their
house for more. That is the difference between the market
value and the assessed value. I think that is where it is
going. To get the assessed value is very easy. If you look
at the total value of all the houses, how many houses we
have. We divide one into the other and you get an arithmetic
Mr. Elms: You talk about getting an arithmetic average
rather than a median.
Mr. Rattner: Right. We say average, but what you are reading
is census stated and the way I read it is it was what people
Mr. Elms: No it came from the US Census Bureau and it said
that this was the median home value in 1999.
Mr. Guenther: During the census that was a questionnaire
that they provided in the census. They asked the people
Mr. Elms: They asked the people what your house was assessed
at in 1999.
Mr. Rattner: But it was also self reporting. So we don't
know how accurate it was.
Mr. Elms: Can we get an accurate figure?
Mrs. Spencer: I believe the figure that you got from the
Tax Accessor is the actual figure. He did in fact take all
the values and divide it out to give you the arithmetic
Mr. Rattner: That is what we have always used.
Mr. Elms: These are only homes? These are not vacant lots
or commercial properties or
Mrs. Spencer: No. He removed all vacant lots from his calculations.
Mr. Rattner: And it does not include commercials, just
Mrs. Spencer: Right.
Mr. Elms: Okay, well with my assessed value this year the
tax rate as reported or certified by the County increases
my taxes by $470.00, and if you use the 183 it increases
by $311.00. So there is a significant tax increase that
the people will see on their next quarterly tax return.
President Scapicchio: Thank you Mr. Elms
Mr. Leyshon: I am just trying to get a grip on this tax
increase this year. I believe that Steve and I had gone
over the school taxes. We thought they were going to be
about seven percent last meeting. I know the Municipal tax
has gone up about six percent. I think it is 70% of our
taxes are school.
Mr. Rattner: I think if you look at it, it's probably the
percentages right on the sheet that Mr. Elms has because
that had all the taxes on it. It had the county tax; the
school tax probably in the sixties because you have County
taxes around 15%.
Mr. Lesson: The Township, we are probably looking at about
a six percent.
Mr. Rattner: We are 5.7 I think on the municipal tax rate
before you put in your sanitation district tax.
Mr. Leyshon: Looking at seven percent with the school and
five something with Municipal, we are probably looking at
about a six percent across the board tax rate.
Mr. Rattner: I don't know, I don't have all the numbers
in front of me.
Mr. Leyson: Just ballpark, though, that sounds probable.
Do you know what the inflation rate was? I called the State
and they said one and a half percent for this part of western/Northern
Does that sound? Does anybody have a
Mayor Licitra: I could not say you were wrong but I would
have to say you have probably been in the ballpark, it can't
be more than two.
Mr. Leyshon: Looks like we are probably getting about four
times the inflation rate, the tax increase this year.
Mr. Greenbaum: What is the importamce of that statement?
How does that take into consideration all the other factors
that go into what is required of Municipal Government. I
understand what you are saying.
Mr. Leyson: Last year we had about the same.
Mr. Greenbaum: Does the inflation rate take into account
tax appeals that are filed? Does the inflation rate take
into account all other factors?
Mr. Leyshon: What the inflation rate takes into account
is how much money I end up earning at the end of the year
because that is all I get paid and I am expected to shell
out for taxes at the end of the year.
Mr. Greenbaum: I understand that but if that is the point
that you are making, that is a relevant point. If you were
going at the tax rate increasing in comparison to the inflation
rate, I don't think that is a valid consideration. In terms
of where your money is ultimately going, I understand that.
Mr. Leyshon: It might not be valid in a single given year,
but you know three years ago we put through a large school
tax increase, we were promised that we would not have another
one in the foreseeable future. Then last year we got another
one, and this year we got another one.
Mr. Guenther: I suggest you take that up with the School
Mr. Leyshon: I know. The problem is we as voters vote it
down and the Town Council puts it through.
Mr. Guenther: Excuse me. We did not put it through. We
negotiated with them, we put through a suggested decrease
which they accepted but they decided to make different changes
from what we have. My contention and I have said it on the
public record before that if they can make changes that
they originally objected to, they could have made a lot
more cuts than they did. They have done this two years in
a row to us, where they have come originally and said no,
no, we have a tight budget, we can't cut anymore and we
go through and we find things and they come back at us and
say okay we will take it under advisement and we'll cut
and then they do their own cuts meaning that the original
cuts that we had plus their own could have resulted in a
higher degree of cuts than they actually put through. That's
out of our control.
Mr. Leyshon: I am well aware of it, believe me. I am sure
that a lot of the other citizens are too. My point being
this, we can't year after year take four and five times
the inflation rate tax hit. At some point it will become
unbearable to the
Mr. Guenther: What do you suggest we do about it when we
don't control 65% of the Town Budget?
Mr. Leyshon: We're hoping that you can do something about
Mr. Guenther: How can we do it?
Mr. Leyshon: Well you control part of it. Secondly when
they come to you, when the citizens vote down the School
Budget, you need to go to them and tell them there is not
going to be any more money. They have to live on what they
Mr. Guenther: We can't do that. Under the law, we have
30 days to come through with a recommendation and we went
through it with a fine tooth comb to suggest to them what
to cut. They don't have to accept that. The law state that
they could actually go and appeal that to the State Commissioner
of Education if they wanted to. This year they accepted
it but they accepted not the nature of our cuts that we
recommended, they decided to do some cuts of their own.
So they are fairly independent and that is by State Law.
The powers that be in Trenton have decided that the School
Boards and school policy should not be subject to the political
ones. That is why School Board elections are separate from
political elections. There is a movement in the State, by
the way, to change that. So that more people will vote in
School Board elections if they incur in November. I guarantee
you will get double or triple the amount of voters out there
and then you will see some real action. But while they have
the ability to have their elections in April at a time when
nothing else is going on; a very small nucleus of voters
can control the nature of the vote.
Mr. Leyshon: And do.
Mr. Guenther: Exactly.
Mr. Leyshon: Thank you.
Mr. Guenther: Thank you.
President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the Public?
Bob Elms, Budd Lake: There were a couple of items you were
kicking around on the capital
expenditures. One was dump trucks Does anybody know how
many dump trucks we have?
President Scapicchio: There is an inventory, I don't have
it, but we could provide that to you. We do have an inventory
of the trucks.
Mr. Elms: One of the things bantied about was cutting out
of the budget a chipper. It is my understanding we do not
have one in the Township. Is that something that is really
cost effective? The last two or three wind storms we had,
one had to be rented.
President Scapicchio: Mayor, is there a chipper in the
Mrs. Spencer: Yes. $20,000 for the purchase of a chipper.
Without a chippe,r when we've needed it we rent it for $700.00
President Scapicchio: We are purchasing now, correct?
Mayor Licitra: It is in the Capital.
Mrs. Spencer: We have put it off for six months.
Mr. Rattner: I think that may have been one of the first
so we'll have the extra money for the dump truck.
Mrs. Spencer: Right.
Mr. Elms: Thank you.
Chuck Spangler, Flanders-Netcong Road, Flanders: I appreciate
the opportunity to be here at the Council. A couple things
come to mind. First of all, as I listened to you talk and
having been around for a long time, I must say I am really
excited about what is happening in Mt. Olive Township. I
think you all share that opinion. I hear a lot of criticism
up here. You hear a lot of people who are questioning things
and that is part of the job. I think all of you are used
to it. I got used to it after a while, but it is part of
the job and it does help us get things done. You are certainly
to be commended for the efforts you put out. Sometimes you
have to struggle with these issues and talk about them and
come up with some answers. You are looking for answers that
are going to solve the problems. I appreciate that in each
of you. I want to thank you for that. However there is one
thing that concerned me recently when I saw an article in
the Newspaper last week, regarding some situations that
I feel might be handled differently. I have always learned
that a good leader in business, a good manager, a good supervisor,
when they have to criticize one of their employees, they
do it in private. Having sat through the meeting that I
did a week ago and read what was in the newspaper, there
were a lot of confidential issues there that I believe good
management would take care of and keep them confidential.
If there is an employee that is doing something wrong, they
deserve to be reprimanded, but certainly not in public.
When people talk to the newspaper and give their opinions;
it is okay to give your opinion but I think it is unfair
to give an opinion about someone that should be given to
them privately. By law the Mayor is responsible for all
of the employees in the Township. I think if you have a
significant complaint to reprimand criticism of the employees
it would work better through the Mayor. I am sure that if
you go to the Mayor and say something has to be done about
this, that he is going to take steps to do it. I would strongly
recommend that rather than be in the newspaper where some
of the things that should not be there, that we should be
considerate of the people that work for the Township. I
believe that they are all sincere, they are all trying to
do their job, and I think from my time there were some people
I had criticism for, but I talked to the people about it
and not to the newspapers about it. I think it would make
our Township better. We have a Pride Committee, well I think
this is a good Pride Committee right here. The Pride Committee
says we don't air our dirty laundry to the entire Public.
It embarrassed me when I saw it and I think it does not
do anything good for the Township. I was talking to someone
recently about the ad we had in the paper for a Planner.
They had talked to several people about it. Not me, but
hey talked to several people and they say what's going on
up in your Town because everybody seems to shy away from
your Town. I don't want people to do that and I think criticism
of individuals when it is not necessary to be out in the
open is not right and I would encourage you and recommend
that you keep that inside the Township and we could get
things done much better. Thank you.
President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the Public? Seeing
none, final Council comments?
Mr. Perkins: I have just one comment and I know it has
been brought up a few times by previous Council and Administration
over the years I've been in Mt. Olive. It involves left
hand turns along Route 46. I know from my time on the Zoning
Board as well as the Planning Board it is one of those issues
that we have all dealt with. I think there is only one way
to resolve it. I have said this before, if somebody decides
to put a Jersey barrier down the center of Route 46, force
the DOT to make turn arounds at lighted traffic controlled
intersections. If you want to eat at Perkins you'll drive
up to the next block, turn around and go in correctly and
you will exit correctly. The same with the International
Trade Center. If you want to go in there you will have a
Jersey Barrier to stop you from cutting across the traffic.
Signs are ignored by the majority of the traveling public.
Mr. Guenther: Just a quick comment, there was a letter
from a while back from a resident down in Mine Hill, Drakestown,
whatever those roads are. They are very confusing between
Washington Township and Mt. Olive. For some time the residents
had complained for many years about drainage issues. I just
want to commend the Public Works Department for apparently
the excellent job that they did in finally resolving that
because it has been a sore point with those residents and
I just wanted to add my kudos to the Public Works Department
for resolving that.
President Scapicchio: Thanks Bernie. I have no final comments.
Motion made for adjournment. All in Favor, none opposed.
The Meeting was adjourned at 9:58 pm.
I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount
Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a
true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally
convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly
held on October 8, 2002
LISA M. LASHWAY
Mount Olive Township Clerk