April 25, 2000
APRIL 25, 2000
The Regular meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council
was called to Order at 7:34 pm by Council President Sohl.
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice
of this meeting has been given to the Mount Olive Chronicle
and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted
at the entrance of the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown
Road, Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those
requesting the same.
ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio, Mrs.
Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Rattner, President Sohl
Absent: Mr. Heymann
President Sohl: For the Record, Mr. Heymann is on vacation
this week. I would also like to acknowledge the attendance
of the Mayor, Paul Licitra; the Acting Business Administrator,
Bob Casey; the Township Attorney, John Dorsey; Township
Clerk, Lisa Lashway; and Recreation Department Head, Eric
Schulte. Our first order of BusinessBI believe our Mayor
has his 100-day Report.
Mayor Licitra: I=m going to get even with both the people
out in the audience, and the people on the dais. First,
I=m going to be gone next week, so I=m going to make each
one of you the Mayor for a day. There are seven of you,
so there will be seven Mayors. So, good luck.
Mayor Licitra: Year 2000, The First 100 Days.
As Mayor, one major impression that I have after serving
for the first 100 days of my new administration is, that
changing the direction and emphasis of any organization
is difficult, like pushing a wet noodle into a key hole.
But in government, given the legal restrictions on what
a Mayor can or cannot do, it is even more impossible, My
many years in government have taught me that the government
doesn=t operate in a vacuum. What often occurs today is
a function of what has happened in the recent past. In
addition what I do today will have the most impact in our
future. Change is often incremental even though I, like
every one else, would love to be able to snap my fingers
and bring about what I believe is the best for the Township
in an instant. This is not the reality.
The primary thrusts of my first 100 days has been reacting
to issues that have been inherited from my predecessor,
setting forth new initiatives that will have positive long
term benefits for the community, setting a new tone of
openness and accessibility to all the elected officials
for the benefit of the general public.
On my swearing in day I inherited a Finance Department
that was under a major cloud, a police department whose
Chief had just passed on, a water and sewer system without
leadership (both short term and long term), the absence
of historical data and files in the Mayor=s Office, and
a professional staff that had left or was seeking other
employment. In effect, an empty file cabinet. Or as I wish
to consider it, a clean slate. In attempting to properly
use this clean slate, I was fortunate to enlist the assistance
of an interim administrator who has been able to keep the
ship of state afloat while I assembled my management team.
Course of Events:
1) The Finance Director left for Agreener pastures@ but
I was able to recruit a very talented resident, Sherry
Jenkins, who I believe has the expertise and drive to restore
the financial integrity of this important function.
2) We were able to reach into the water and sewer operation
and convince an experienced employee (Joe Melko) to assume
responsibility of these important utility systems. Joe
is proving to be a real asset in his drive to overcome
the misdirected inertia of the past 8 years. Although this
was not a popular decision, I had to recommend increasing
our sewer user charges to provide the funding to adequately
run this current system. These rates were excessively low
due largely to the underestimating of the prior administrations,
and the lack of understanding of the future growth of Mt
Olive and it=s increasing water and sewer needs.
3) Our very capable Tax Assessor (Jack Marchione) was
going to leave for a better paying job in a neighboring
community and I was able to convince him to stay with us.
His reaction has been remarkable - he was pleasantly surprised
that the mayor of the community would actually reach out
to a staff person to keep him employed in the community.
We value (first name) commitment over these past few years
and his desire to continue to serve in this important position.
In this time of reassessment his guidance has been invaluable.
4) After an appropriate period of bereavement, I (with
selected guidance) promoted Ed Katona to the position of
Police Chief, not only restoring the leadership in that
vital department but also acknowledging for all the officers
my faith in the internal leader of our local force. Ed
has proven his capabilities of these past months to be
not only qualified for this extremely important job. But
to have proven himself in the eyes of his fellow workers.
His role of leadership is what is most needed at this time
in our history.
With the little information provided from the previous
administration, I quickly found out that the Township was
not in sound financial condition. That my options for program
initiatives were seriously limited. The Recommended year
2000 budget required a significant tax increase. The majority
of these new taxes are due to the fiscally irresponsible
practices of the prior administration, which not only underestimated
expenditure requirements (the health insurance fiasco),
but believed in bonding everything (even fire and first
aid equipment which should be paid on an annual basis)
there by dramatically increasing the Township debt service.
In the new Capital Parks projects I have recommended
to the Council, I have tried to explore alternative less
expensive programs, only to find that the Council is extremely
frustrated over these past years of inactivity in this
key community area, and that this has resulted in decisions
to spend more than may be reasonable so that the public
can see completed recreation projects in their community.
I (we) have tried to put forth a budget which recognizes
the limits of our local taxpayers, while still providing
for the actual needs of the community and the recreational
organizations, only to discover that there is so much we
still need to do now. I believe we must conserve our financial
resources for those major items that will have the best
long-term community benefit.
My first new initiative was to obtain Council approval
for a reorganization of a new centralized Public Works
Department, bringing existing divisions under one command
and leadership structure. A focus of talents and energy
unified into a strong and viable team. Although I am still
seeking out a person to lead this new Team, and through
the initiation of twice weekly meetings amongst these division
heads, we are already seeing the value of a unified team
approach to handling the infrastructure needs of the community.
At my urging preliminary water engineering review was
completed. This review has highlighted many of the current
deficiencies in the existing multitude of independent systems
we now own. With an eye toward our budget, We are now moving
forward to develop a master plan to delineate how we can
improve the overall systems and integrate them to provide
a better and more assured supply.
This Township has been very fortunate over these past
years to attract several highly qualified personnel. In
the best effort to be fair to all of these very talented
people and to assure all involved that promotions will
be based upon merit and the overall needs of the department,
I am using an independent assessment center for reviewing
the candidates for the position of police Captain. We intend
to promote the best staff available and will use professional
help to insure that these processes are valid and not a
continuation of an Aold boy network@. All indications from
the department are that this is what they want.
We are actively pursuing improved environmental input
to the Planning Board. We want to develop a professional
team that can give to the community the objective information
it needs to evaluate any developer=s plans. If we are going
to get serious about limiting development, minimizing housing
growth, controlling expansion, and minimizing tax increases,
we have to do it through a strong environmental team, good
planning, and a master plan that cannot be challenged.
We have within this community some very talented and concerned
citizens who have in the past and will continue to for
our future, evaluate each planning option, make controlled
concerned decisions in the development of this new Master
We have taken strides to improve our capability to obtain
grants and other financial assistance by increasing the
staff capability of the Township with a full time grant
coordinator, Kathy Murphy. Kathy has one mission statement.
ATo assist our township organization in obtaining grants
and loans and to go to anyone, anywhere to make sure that
Mt. Olive=s needs are served in this extremely important
arena@. Kathy has in the past proven to be more than capable
in accomplishing these goals. We will all support her in
this very important task.
Over these past several years there has been a constant
decline in the efforts made to communicate within our own
administration, and with the public. I believe one of my
most significant accomplishments will be the establishment
of a new ATone A for the Township. A tone of open communication,
cooperation and coordination between the various officials
of the community and the general public. I have very diligently
worked at insuring that the elected members of Council
have access to my office and are kept informed of what
is occurring in the organization as a whole. This communication,
openness and accessibility have been emphasized to my staff.
We will all work to overcome the lack of communication
that I fell so characterized the prior administration.
We must all work to develop our communications skills.
We must first learn to listen, then we will be better suited
to answer intelligently.
This community is endowed with a large pool of very talented
residence. Because of our geographical location to the
major job markets, we have over the years become a very
diverse neighborhood. We can boast of the best in most
every type of job, careers and vocation. I am a firm believer
that we must seek out good, talented residents to serve
on our Boards and Commissions. Then give then the opportunity
and responsibility to accomplish and implement their ideas.
I have visited with all the boards and civic organizations
in town, thanking them for their volunteer efforts and
advising them that this administration is there to assist
them and not work against them. That this administration
is to be considered a partner in their efforts.
We have reviewed the attendance record of all appointees
to these various boards. We did not reappoint certain members
and asked others to step down if they could not fulfill
their obligation. We have made over 60 appointments to
various boards or committees in the township in an effort
to get more people involved in the decision making process
of their government. This open appointment policy has provided
new expertise and a sense of belonging that never was present
in the past. These residences have volunteered their time
and talents to improving this township. They participate
in this task for the benefit of the entire community.
We heard what you said while campaigning door to door
in the township. Your voice did not fall on deaf ears.
We are taking major steps to limit the growth of our township
with a progressive and enforceable master plan. We have
appointed 12 members to this master plan committee. Their
main charge is to find ways to limit the amount of development
within our borders and find ways to control our traffic
and preserve our quality of life.
We have appointed seven new members of the planning board,
and we have set the tone with developers that Ayou cannot
pitch your tent, develop the way you want to and then leave
our community@ But rather, you must contribute measurably
to our town and develop the new way Aour way@ and not as
in the past Ayour way@.
And may I say while I=m talking about the planning board
that this administration sought out the best possible people
to fill the empty positions that were created when I took
over. We have no gender gap in Mt. Olive and I personally
am proud that I have filled key positions with women in
government. We have the second female Planning Board Attorney
appointed in this State. (Valerie Bollheimer). Our first
two appointments to the prestigious Planning Board were
female and our very competent CFO is also a female. I shall
continue to seek out the very best and qualified person
to be part of my administration and part of our team.
We have expanded the recreation committee from 9 to 12
members with a liaison from the Board of Education to consult
on and to share opportunities with that body. We have provided
every recreational league in town with a voice on the committee
along with the high school football coach and two young
adults that have gone through our recreation program and
have come back to Mt. Olive to raise their families.
Yes, I have expanded and revitalized the recreation committee
but more importantly I have given them a reason for being
part of this by listening to their ideas and committing
myself and this township to the considerations of their
That is why tonight with the recommendation of the recreation
committee, I=m asking the township council to vote yes
for the funds to complete two major recreation initiates
that are long overdue. This Yes Vote will prove to our
citizens that we are serious about being a leader, and
we, Mount Olive Township are ready to take our place in
leading the rest of Morris County into a new century.
I am recommending, no, I am beseeching the Council that
we proceed to finally complete the work started by the
past administration four years ago on Flanders Park, and
in addition hire the firm of Olympus to design and plan
our Turkey Brook sports complex for the recreational use
of our citizens. The time is now. Our fulfillment of this
commitment is now.
Yes, I say again, we have to finally get serious and show
our citizens that we are serious about their quality of
life and allow us to finally have the opportunity to ASHOW
OFF@ our facilities instead of visiting other facilities
around us and saying AWHAT IF@.
These sports fields will bring new life to our present
day community. The fields will be put to good use by our
expanding population and sports programs. As a citizen
and as this Mayor, having spent 20 years as part of these
various programs, there is a within me very strong commitment
to filling the needs of our youth recreational requirements.
This commitment to programs such as this type isn=t a living
B it=s a necessity. The needs and the image of Mt. Olive
are tied to its citizens and its community. This is only
the first step in the long journey before us.
Staying with the recreation tone. We have formed a committee
of six members headed by Councilman Bernie Guenther to
explore the possibilities, to sit down in serious dialog
with the YMCA of Western Region of New Jersey to see if
there is a possibility that they can also locate to Mt.
Olive. These talks have been ongoing for the past three
months. The committee is exploring all of the opportunities
and an announcement should be forthcoming soon.
We have also instituted quarterly meetings with the presidents
of our sports leagues, the Board of Education, our Recreation
Department and the Athletic Director of the district, to
aggressively discuss the sharing of equipment and recreational
requirements for our citizens. The talks are proving to
We have also formed an Economic Development Committee
consisting of nine members. The mission statement of this
committee is simple. Communicate to improve the relationships
between the township government and the businesses in town,
to work with the master plan committee and the planning
board to recruit and assist businesses and industries that
we want to move to Mt. Olive. We no longer want to be passive
in the process of who chooses us as the place to locate
their business. We want to be the pro-active vehicle that
will choose who we want to be part of our community.
I cannot say enough about the next committee we formed.The
Pride Committee. Ray Perkins heads this new committee.
Ray with 8 other members and Councilman Bernie Guenther
will take Mt. Olive to another plateau of respect and pride.
If you have not noticed already, Mt. Olive is getting more
pleasing to the eyes. As you are aware most people judge
a community as they pass through on our roads. Through
the efforts of Ray and his committee we are starting to
look a little better in this area. It will be a big effort
and it will take a long time, but I am confident that this
committee will bring pride to Mt. Olive. They have been
given a budget to solicit the services of a professional
public relations firm to give Mt. Olive a new public face,
a makeover, the image required to build pride in our community.
They have only started with our township slogan AMt. Olive,
Wherever You=re From Welcome Home@ and they will not be
finished until every resident is part of this groundswell
of pride in Mt. Olive.
In keeping with the beautification of our township and
pride in our community I have been meeting monthly with
the Association for the Beautification of Budd Lake to
make sure that our ACrown Jewel@ Budd Lake will be just
that our ACrown Jewel@. This group has a very big job ahead
and can use all the volunteer help that the community can
offer. We have started to educate developers on advising
potential buyers on how to keep our lake pristine. Representatives
of this committee have met with developers prior to the
planning board hearings to discuss the mutual benefits
of expanding our lake facilities ecologically, aesthetically
and for expanded recreation. And yes, we even have started
to discuss the possibility of having a boardwalk built
around Budd Lake for the quality of life of our citizens
and all who visit our community. A point of focus for our
We have instituted and have in place, a Mayor=s Response
Line that addresses all complaints. A special phone number
and a two-person committee have been assigned to respond
to all complaints within 24 hours. All Department heads
and personnel are Aup to speed@ with this system and have
responded to the needs of our citizens in a timely manner.
We will not be able to solve all problems but we will respond
to them in a courteous and timely manner. This is a new
process for all of us. We expect some glitches, but every
effort will be made to make this Mayor=s Response Line
work. This is something that has not been done in the past.
Over the past 100 days town hall has been reopened to
the youth of our community. We have instituted monthly
tours of the building by youth groups and school children.
This has been well received in our community and the list
of youth organizations that wish to visit us is expanding
It is important that we make our children feel that they
are part of our community and this is their town hall.
We truly have demonstrated that we have an open door policy
and both my staff and I are available to everyone. After
all, these young people are our future.
The formation of a Mayor=s Youth Advisory Committee consisting
of 15 eighth grade students that will follow me through
my four years in office and I will follow them until they
graduate high school has added another dimension to our
This group was formed to address the needs and solicit
the opinions of our township youth. With the help of Chris
Killian and Karen LaValley this group is very active planning
being a part of the communities activities. You will see
them in our Memorial Day parade and at clean up day on
May 6th. Their main goal is to assist me in building a
youth center for Mt. Olive teenagers B a dream we have
in common and which will become a reality.
Also, with the assistance of our new CFO, Sherry Jenkins,
we are forming a Shared Services Committee that will look
to share both services and equipment with not only our
local Board of Education but with communities around us.
This committee will consist of three Mt. Olive citizens
and grants from the state are presently being obtained
to fund this committee.
I have already received a commitment from the Board of
Education to attempt to find ways to share not only equipment
but also similar personnel that will eventually equate
to fewer personnel being hired and less equipment being
purchased. This is truly one of the few ways we have left
to us in government to save taxpayers dollars and bring
more efficient service to our citizens.
I have asked both former Mayor Chuck Spangler and Colleen
Spitzer to be on my Senior Advisory Board. They will be
my representatives at all the senior meetings and be a
liaison between my administration and the seniors in Mt.
Olive. It is imperative that with Mt. Olive=s expanding
senior population and planned senior housing development
that we continue to plan for the welfare and recreational
needs of our senior citizens.
We are now in the process of constructing two additional
Bocce courts at our present senior center, which will be
used mainly by our seniors but will also be open to all
Our recreation master plan will also address the future
needs of our senior citizens with both passive and active
We could not have accomplished all we have in the past
100 days without the help and support of the employees
of Mt. Olive Township. They have welcomed me as a member
of their family and have accepted my style of management.
I am grateful to all of them for their help.
I have attempted to treat them with respect and acknowledge
their help by instituting Employee of the Month and Year
awards, celebrating birthdays each month and having the
type of government that listens to its employees with an
open door and rewards them for a job well done.
Town hall is a much friendlier and open place with its
walls full of pictures, a Donor Appreciation Tree in the
lobby as well as a planned trophy case to house our sports
teams trophies and awards for all to see.
We have rewarded our employees with both planned and already
realized training programs, to put them on the cutting
edge of technology, to streamline government and meet the
increasing needs of the citizens we all serve. We have
hired an in-house computer consultant that will train all
our personnel. The antiquated system we have now will be
turned into a more user friendly and progressive computer
system that will eventually lead to greater productivity.
I want to thank my colleagues on the Township Council.
As a Team, we have proven to everyone that government could
work in cooperation for the good of the people they represent.
This has not been my way or your way it has been our way.
It is important that we continue to govern this way in
the future. The people of Mt. Olive not only like what
they see they will demand this cooperative behavior from
us in the future.
In closing I want to again address my wish list of programs
and projects that I will concentrate all my efforts on
now and in the future.
1) I am committed to and will work towards the construction
of a new library in Mt. Olive.
2) I am committed to fulfilling the needs for the passive
and active recreational needs of our community.
3) I am committed to funding a youth center for our teenagers.
4) I am committed to beautifying Budd Lake, expanding
the beach and dealing with the future of the old municipal
5) I continue to promise that I will give you my best,
honest effort that will be responsive to the public and
be open to your needs and ideas.
I look back in frustration recognizing that there is
so much that needs to be done and so little time and resources
are available to accomplish these goals. I also look ahead
at the opportunity that is in front of all of us to improve
our selves and our community.
It will be a long road, but I am hopeful that over the
next several months we can have in place the people we
need, to move forward on the issues facing the community
and we can have the plans in place to address these needs
in a reasonable and intelligent fashion.
Thank you for being an active participant in your own
government, thank you for caring about our community and
thank you for your continued support. I sincerely look
forward to working together in the upcoming months. Most
of all please remember to communicate.
President Sohl: I would just like to underscore the importance
of the point Paul made relative to the cooperation that
is in place now. And the openness and the trust that is,
in fact there. As long as we have thatBand I don=t see
why we wouldn=tBthings can only continue on the positive
basis that they have for the last 100 days. Thanks again.
Mr. Dorsey: The only matter that we did not discuss earlier
this evening was the bidding for the farming of the Newfane
Property. Perkowski only bid $20, was not pleased, apparently,
with the form of the leaseBi.e. for one year. That=s where
the matter stands for the moment.
Mr. Spino: Are we going to discuss this?
President Sohl: What is there to discuss?
Mr. Rattner: Mr. Perkowski, do you want to come up and
explain what your concern is? Mr. Dorsey gave us the ten-word
Mr. Robert Perkowski: I=m the only dairy farmer in Morris
County. I=ve been farming that tract of land, I guess,
for 30 years, and it wouldn=t look the way it looks if
it wasn=t for me. The only concern I have, I know you have
to do things down the road, no objections. When you do
it, you do it. I know you have to go through the legal
proceedings, but it takes money to make money. I put money
in to make things happen. I told Mr. Dorsey, it isn=t like
a tank of gas, when you=re, empty you=re empty, when you=re
full, you=re full. I start out in the Spring, when it comes
Fall, I don=t go empty because I don=t use up all the nutrients.
And, as far as everything else goes, I offer you total
compliance that there=s going to be no problem with any
kind of chemicals. No pesticides. Everything today is considered
safe. There is no such thing as toxic chemicals any more.
The Government has already taken care of that. I=m fully
registered with the DEP. I file reports annually on what
I use so there=s basically no problems.
Mr. Rattner: Mr. Perkowski. I guess what the issue is,
is the form of the lease. We were under the understanding
that we would do this every yearBwe would do it earlier,
obviously, because it=s putting pressure on you, but you
were looking for something different. What is it that you
were looking for?
Mr. Dorsey: Well, I advised themBthe leaseByou Bid $20.
That=s where we ended upB
Mr. Perkowski: Are you satisfied with that?
Mr. Dorsey: I couldn=t get you up to $100. And I advised
them what you really wanted was a lease that would go at
least for a number of years with the understanding that
if the Township decided to use the property for some other
reason that you would then have to vacate the property.
I take it, basically, that the Council is not satisfied
with a bid of $20 or $25. I think that=s the problem we
have. If you are satisfied with it, then fine.
Mr. Spino: I=m not sure about the funds. The amount of
money can be negotiated. But I=d be willing to have the
lease read in such a way that it could be for Mr. Perkowski=s
use for more than a year. It doesn=t matter. I don=t think
we=re going to get too many people around to farm it. It=s
my understanding he=s been doing it for a long time any
way. I don=t think we=re doing this to make money. The
land will be somewhat productive. I would have no problem
Mrs. Kelly: I believe we went through this process to
make it legalBso that nobody else could come and say that
we allowed somebody to farm it without going through the
process. The terms of the contract are, I think, negotiable.
I=m not concerned about the price, as much as I am that
the property is being used in a legal manner.
Mr. Guenther: My only question would beBif did as an open
ended lease, what kind of notification would we need from
the Township when we put our plans together? How much time
do we need?
Mr. Perkowski: Basically, from the Fall to the Spring.
Plenty of time. I would say, the thing that=s more appealing
to the Township would be, you have somebody that=s basically
maintaining the property. You aren=t inheriting a bunch
of swamp low land where people may dump their debris across
the street. You have more or less a security thing here.
You aren=t going to have people trampling in and trampling
out. Turkeybrook, you had your problems. You had the bottles
and the tires, and I listened to you, and it took a while
for you to get that all cleaned up. So, if you have a little
bit of a watchdog, that=s in your favor too.
Mr. Guenther: Is that a problem with us, by putting a
six month notice in?
Mr. Dorsey: I don=t know. If you give him six month notice
in April, then he=s gone in October. You give him notice
in October, he doesn=t need six months, but, anyway.
Mr. Guenther: Well, no, you give him notice in the Fall
so he doesn=t do his preparatory work for the Spring crop.
Mr. Spino: That=s right.
Mrs. Kelly: We=d have to give him notice sometime before
the crop is harvested, before he plants the next crop.
Mr. Dorsey: So when would that be? Like October 15?
Mr. Perkowski: Well, you aren=t going to do anything in
the winter, so any time after September, but even if the
notice is there, it doesn=t matter, it=s just, AThis is
it, you=re done.@
Mr. Dorsey: All right.
Mr. Spino: I have no problem with Mr. Dorsey and Mr. Perkowski
working that out.
Mr. Dorsey: I=ll just do a Resolution.
BE IT RESOLVED, by Township Council that after receipt
of Bids for the lease for farm purposes only, the so-called
Newfane Tract, a lease is authorized between the Township
and Mr. Perkowski that will run indefinitely but will permit
the Township to terminate the lease on six-months notice
provided it=s given by October 15th of any given year.
Leaseable, $20 a year.
Mr. Rattner: So moved.
Mr. Spino: Second
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
Mr. Perkowski: Thank you.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS:
December 14, 1999 (Present: Mr. Rattner, Mrs. Kelly, Mr.
Spino, Mr. Sohl, Mr. Scapicchio
Absent: Ron Heymann)
April 11, 2000 (Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Scapicchio,
Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Sohl, Mr. Guenther,
April 18, 2000 CS (Present: Mr. Sohl, Mrs. Kelly, Mr.
Spino, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Heymann)
Mr. Rattner moved for approval of the Minutes and Mr.
Spino seconded the Motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed by the majority, exception:
Mr. Guenther ABSTAINED on December 14, 1999, and April
Letters From Residents
1. Letter received April 17, 2000, from Paul Goldfinger,
MD, regarding Saving Dover General Hospital.
2. E-mail received April19, 2000, from Howie Weiss, regarding
opposition to lighting the fields of Flanders Park.
Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from other Towns
3. Ordinance received April 17, 2000, from The Township
of Roxbury amending their Land Use Ordinance.
4. Notice received April 18, 2000, from Washington Township
regarding a Public Hearing on the adoption of a Farmland
5. Resolution received April 19, 2000, from Township of
Hanover opposing Senate No. 258 Modification of workers
League of Municipalities
6. Notice received April 10, 2000, from the New Jersey
League of Municipalities Regarding League Rate Payer Advocate
7. Stream Encroachment/Freshwater Wetlands Permit received
April 11, 2000, from The NJDEP for Westminster Realty (Dara
8. Letter received on April 11, 2000, from the DEP, Regarding
Authorization for Freshwater Wetlands Statewide General
Permit No. 14, Water Quality Certification and Waiver of
Transition Area (International Drive South).
9. Letter received April 14, 2000, from the DEP Regarding
Pre-Cancellation Notice of Freshwater Wetlands Transition
Area Waiver (Ironia Road Roxbury Border).
10. Letter received April 14, 2000, from Princeton Hydro,
LLC Regarding Freshwater Wetlands General Permit (GP-13)
(Budd Lake Canal Maintenance)
Correspondence from Organizations/Committees/Boards
11. Annual Report received April 17, 2000 from New Jersey
Radioactive Waste Disposal Facility Siting Board.
Correspondence Regarding Tort Claims/Verified Notice of
12. Notice of Class Action received on April 14, 2000
filed against GPU, Inc., Jersey Central Power & Light
Land Use/Development Matters
Correspondence from Cable Networks/Utilities
Correspondence from Legislative Representatives
13. Invitation received on April 17, 2000 from Washington
Township for an open house and dedication for the new police
President Sohl stated that we had received 13 items of
correspondence and asked Council if there were any comments
Mr. Rattner: We got the annual report from the New Jersey
Radioactive Waste Disposal Facility Siting Board, which,
somehow I ended up going to a couple of those back when
they thought they could sneak something in on us. I did
read in the last couple of weeks that the State of New
Jersey has signed a long term agreement with a State in
the South that they will be taking all our radio-active
waste and be moving it out of State they=re going to close
up shop and try to find it, I think it=s a 30-year lease.
ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING
Ord. #9-2000 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the
Township of Mount Olive, County of Morris, State of New
Jersey, Certifying the Budget of the Solid Waste District
of the Township of Mount Olive and Authorizing the Collection
of Cost by Taxation.
President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #9-2000
President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #9-2000
Mr. Casey: This should be continued until you adopt your
final Budget because it=s coordinated with your general
fund Budget, so I would suggest that you continue this
Ordinance until your next meeting when your Budget is up
for final adoption. Later on, we will be discussing an
Amendment to this relative to the issue of the Capital
Debt service requirements for the new garbage trucks. So,
I would suggest that you continue this until your next
Mrs. moved for to Continue Ord. #9-2000 to May 9, 2000,
and Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
Ord. #12-2000 Bond Ordinance Providing for the Installation
of Sidewalks on Wolfe Road and Flanders-Drakestown Road
In and By the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of
Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $100,000 Therefor and
Authorizing the Issuance of $95,000 Bond or Notes of the
Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.
President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #12-2000
Mr. Stan Roedel, Pine Grove Road, Budd Lake: My question
regarding this Ordinance is, why are we putting sidewalks
in that location?
Mrs. Kelly: To accommodate the school children that will
be walking to the new Middle School to save on transportation
costs. The children that live in the apartments will have
to walk to the new Middle School so that we won=t have
to transport them. It will save us in long term.
Mr. Roedel: Okay, thank you.
Mr. Bonte: When the School Board proposed this to the
Council, I was in favor of this, and still am. However,
since we=re paying this, and not the School Board out of
President Sohl: $76,000 is coming from the StateB
Mr. Bonte: Somehow or other, I think that=s still coming
President Sohl: Well, even if the School Board paid for
it, it=s coming from us.
Mr. Bonte: Has the School Board presented you, the Council,
an analysis of where they will be really reducing transportation
costs or is this going to essentially be a no-cost saving
whatsoever to the District?
Mr. Rattner: Mr. Bonte, this Council was lucky enough
that the people of this Town passed the School Budget,
because you know that if the School Budget did not pass,
then it would come to the Council for further evaluation
and suggestions of resubmittal. But, they are not anticipating
busing in the current budget, from the apartments to the
new Middle School.
Mrs. Kelly: I can tell you, as a bus driver, we have at
least three buses that pick up students in the apartments
just in the Middle School. Bus drivers average $15 - $20
an hour plus the wear and tear on the buses, it=s at least
three times the paymentBthe salary of three bus drivers
versus having a crossing guardB
Mr. Bonte: I guess it would just be nice to see that analysis
brought to us now that we have kept our end of the bargain,
which was to go for this funding and taken whatever municipal
funding to put into the sidewalks. I think it would be
nice to get the School Board end to show where the real
hard savings are going to be.
President Sohl: Thank you, Rich.
Mr. Bob Thomas, Stedwick Drive: I don=t understand how
the elimination of these Middle School Bus routes will
actually save any money becauseBmaybe I=m mistaken, but
my impression is, that a school bus driver drives all three
schools. They start out early with the High School run,
then the Middle School, then the elementary schools. If
you save a few runs for the Middle School, all you=re doing
is idling those drivers between their first run and their
last run of each cycle.
Mrs. Kelly: The drivers get paid by the run, not by the
time. They are offered a package of runs, they could have
a high school run, a grammar school run
Mr. Jerry Roskoff: Who will be responsible for those sidewalks?
Upkeep, snow removal and insurance? Because if a kid falls
on that sidewalk, you know what=s going to happen.
Mr. Rattner: The Mayor can answer thatBbut it is Township
property, and we=re going to be maintaining it.
Mayor Licitra: We=ll be maintaining the property. We put
the sidewalks in. We do have a joint agreement with the
school in certain areas. What I want to do is do more of
that. So, to make sure it is done and completed, rather
than Acatch us, catch can@ we split it up. There are certain
areas that they can do and certain areas that we can do.
President Sohl: Anyone else from the Public?
President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #12-2000
Mr. Guenther moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord.
#12-2000 and Mr. Scapicchio seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Sohl declared Ord. #12-2000 as Passed on Second
Ord. #13-2000 Bond Ordinance Providing for the Reconstruction
of Bartley-Drakestown Road In and By the Township of Mount
Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating
$200,000 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $190,000
Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost
President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #13-2000
President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #13-2000
Mrs. Kelly moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord.
#13-2000 and Mr. Scapicchio seconded the motion.
Mr. Guenther: I just want to clarify, there was also a
State Grant on this particular one.
Mr. Spino: Yes.
Mr. Guenther: How much was that?
Mr. Spino: $186,750.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Sohl declared Ord. #13-2000 as Passed on Second
Ord. #14-2000 Bond Ordinance Providing for Dredging of
Portions of Budd Lake In and By the Township of Mount Olive,
In the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $260,000
Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $60,250 Bonds
or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof
President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #14-2000
President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #14-2000
Mr. Spino moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord.
#14-2000 and Mr. Guenther seconded the motion.
Mr. Spino: This has also received Grant monies in, I think
$180,000, or there abouts.
Mayor Licitra: You understand, when they dredge the lake,
the water table is going to go down. You=re going to have,
probably about, anywhere from 14 - 25 feet from, let=s
say Sandshore Road, that=s going to uncover a lot of things
that have been covered.
Mr. Spino: Jimmy Hoffa, maybe.
Mayor Licitra: You=ll find some surprising things over
there. I=ve already solicited the Sanitation Department
to help because there are some large items over there.
We=re not talking about bags and cans and things, we=re
talking about boats and equipment, and who knows, Jimmy
Hoffa. So, we, as a Township government, we have to try
and get as many people of many organizations to try and
help with that effort. We=re going to be looking at a very
big clean up.
Mr. Rattner: We should also make sure the residents along
the lake are well aware of this because this will provide
a unique opportunity to repair work on their own personal
property. I=ve been here 24 years, and we=ve never had
the lake lowered, so this may be a once in a lifetime opportunity.
We hope it isn=t because this is the first stage of the
clean up and reclamation of Budd Lake. But a lot of it
is going to depend on how much other State and Federal
money will be available.
President Sohl: Any other discussion?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Sohl declared Ord. #14-2000 as Passed on Second
ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING
Ord. #15-2000 An Ordinance to Amend and Supplement Section
400-61 Entitled AQuarrying@ of the Code of the Township
of Mount Olive.
Mr. Scapicchio moved that Ord. #15-2000 be introduced
by title and passed on First Reading and that it be scheduled
for Adoption after a Public Hearing on May 9, 2000 at 7:30
p.m. Mr. Rattner seconded the Motion.
Mr. Spino: I would like to make sure we get the residents
in that area that had concerns regarding the quarrying
in that areaBthat we get them a copy of this Ordinance
for their review.
President Sohl: All right, I=ll have the Clerk mail it
out to them.
Mayor Licitra: Is this Council going to consider, on Second
Reading, any of the Amendments that were made by Chuck
President Sohl: I had the Clerk poll the Council in reference
to those, and the consensus of the Council was not to include
them at this time. We need to get them on the books. Is
that a fair statement?
Mr. Scapicchio: Fair statement.
Mrs. Kelly: Yes. I would not vote for those recommendations.
Mr. Spino: Are you talking about the recommendations by
the quarry owners?
Mayor Licitra: Yes.
Mr. Spino: They=re not included.
Mayor Licitra: Is this Council going to consider those
Mrs. Kelly: I wouldn=t.
President Sohl: I think we got the answer already. They=ve
been considered, and for the moment, this CouncilBI don=t
want to speak for everybody, but this CouncilB
Mr. Dorsey: Excuse me. They are apparently not in the
Ordinance which is being introduced tonight. So there is
a Motion to introduce this Ordinance. At the time of the
Public Hearing, anyone can ask for consideration of those
Amendments. That=s the only way they could be considered
because they are not part of this Ordinance. But that does
not prevent subsequent consideration of this.
Mr. Guenther: I just want it on the Record that I don=t
agree with thatB
Mr. Spino: Agree with what?
Mr. Guenther: I don=t agree with not including the revisions.
We had a very detailed memo from Chuck McGroarty stating
it was won over with the Planning Board. They made their
specific recommendations. They didn=t accept what the company
wanted verbatim and it seemed to be very well thought out.
My discussions with Chuck McGroarty, he seemed to think
it=s going to be much more laborious trying to add it afterward.
But if that=s the majority of the Council, fine. I just
believe in doing things right the first time. We waited
two years, to wait another two weeks for the revised one
doesn=t make a big difference. It=s not as if we have 59
quarry operators that we have to regulate.
President Sohl: No, but we=ve had more than one that we=ve
had problems with, Bernie. And, it=s been two more weeks,
and two more weeks. I share the consensus, of, I think,
my peers. The level of frustration far exceeds this Administration.
Any other comments?
ROLL CALL: Passed by the majority, Exception: Mr. Guenther
Ord. #16-2000 Bond Ordinance Providing for Improvements
to Flanders Park for Open Space Purposes in and by the
Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey,
Appropriating $600,000 Therefore and Authorizing the Issuance
of $570,000 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part
of the Cost Thereof. (Flanders Park)
President Sohl: I have sent a memo to the Open Space Committee
indicating that we will be using $30,000 of down payment
funding for this Bond Ordinance from the Open Space Fund,
and I formally requested their input on that. They meet
the Monday night before the next Public Meeting, so I would
ask Mrs. Kelly, and Mr. Spino, who are both on that Committee
make sure that this is discussedBin addition to the fact
that I sent the Committee a memo.
Mrs. Kelly moved that Ord. #16-2000 be introduced by title
and passed on First Reading and that it be scheduled for
Adoption after a Public Hearing on May 9, 2000 at 7:30
p.m. Mr. Scapicchio seconded the Motion.
Mrs. Kelly: I read through itBdoes it include the lights?
Mr. Dorsey: I didn=t draw this Ordinance, but when I wrote
to Bond Counsel, I told them that that would be one of
Mr. Rattner: We discussed this in detail, and I think
I stated very plainly that I=m opposed to the current total
plan for the improvements to this park the way that it
was presented. But, saying that, tonight, if it comes to
just get it at least on for a Public Hearing so the Public
can go, I will support to get it on to a Public Hearing
because I believe we should have a forum and all members
of the Community can speak accordingly. However, I want
to remind my colleagues, and let the Public know this is
one situation where the minority can rule. A Bond Ordinance
needs two thirds of the seated members of the Governing
Body, which means three ANo@ votes would sink this. But,
tonight, I will vote just to get it on a Public forum,
but I=m still not sold as it=s been designed.
Mr. Scapicchio: I thought that the proposal was going
to allow us to seek separate bids so we can move forward
with this Bond Ordinance, and still leave open for discussion
the funding of the lighting.
Mr. Dorsey: Wait a minute, that is not a function of the
Ordinance. That simply becomes a function of the way the
Township is required to do business. You must take Bids
for each one of these major items. For anything over $12,000.
You must then determine whether or not you are going to
award a contract for that particular item. So, although
this Ordinance generally authorizes all of these things,
and appropriates the money for same, it cannot be accomplished
until you authorize the receipt of Bids and then you essentially
award a Bid for each of the items.
Mr. Scapicchio: I just want to come to an understanding
there, I think the Administration had agreed, and we discussed
it at length, that the lights were considered a specialty
and we would bid it out as a separate item.
Mr. Dorsey: Of course you=ll do it that way.
President Sohl: Mayor, you want to respond to that?
Mayor Licitra: I sent you something a couple of weeks
ago. Then we sat down and we discussed it and I told you
what I wanted in this package. My opinionBand I=m not voting
on thisBif we=re going to do something, let=s do it all,
or limit it in such a way that we take the money and fund
other places. But, I=m for going aheadBwith the addition
of things that I would like to see in there, my recommendation
is to go all the way on this.
Mr. Guenther: I find fault with this for several reasons.
There are other issues that I brought up last week with
the straw vote. Mention was made with the tot lot, I don=t
know what the terminology here Atrack@ means. Is that the
walking track we were talking about? As I recall from our
discussion last week, Mr. Casey said even though we=re
includingBat least the proposal detail we had last week
to consider had lighting on there, we could always go out
and add it afterward. I don=t know how that happened. There=s
another item we did not discuss last week that I think
is of major importance. It=s not a major costly item, but
I think it should be included hereBis one of the safety
of a crossing from Flanders Park. Nobody has ever considered
that. It=s something that has to be done. I think it should
be part of this project.
Mr. Scapicchio: I=m assuming that that is. The Mayor made
Mayor Licitra: My proposal was the sidewalk extension,
which has to be done, the parkingByou have to include
more parking. You=re looking at the crosswalk, you=re
looking at a tot lot, and you=re looking at a walking track.
Make it more of a community park. Just so long as we know
we=re going forwardB
Mr. Guenther: So all those are included.
Mr. Rattner: And that proposal from the Mayor I said that
I=d support, and, in additionBhe proposed port-a-johns,
I would go further because I think it deserves the building.
Mr. Guenther: We can Amend this at the Second Reading?
Mr. Dorsey: No, it would be very highly unlikely that
one Amends a Bond Ordinance on Second Reading, Bernie,
this Ordinance includes $600,000. That dollar amount was
to include everything that one could think of, as I recall,
in terms of the development of this Park. Therefore, it
essentially is the funding mechanism for providing the
funds for developing the park.
ROLL CALL: Passed by the majority. Exceptions: Mr. Guenther
and Mr. Rattner voted NO
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:
Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered
to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council
and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will
be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions
except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements
which may be offered. If one or more Council member requests,
any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be
removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.
1. Resolution to Amend the Temporary Capital Budget.
2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township
of Mount Olive Requesting the State of New Jersey to Purchase
Premises Designated as Block 1200, Lots 1 & 2, Block
1103 Lot 6, Block 500 Lots 7 & 10, Block 1300 Lots
28 through 29, 56, 67 through 69 and Block 1400 Lots 21
and 26 Commonly Referred to as Crown Tower Estates.
President Sohl: I open the meeting to the Public on the
Consent Resolutions. Is there anyone who would like to
address either Resolution #1 or #2?
Mr. Bonte: I would to thank the Council for putting Resolution
#2 on this evening. Not only thanking for the citizens
that live in the area near the development, but also for
all of the residents of the Township. This is an important
tract of land, and hopefully we can work with the State
to convince them to purchase it. As I=m sure you=re all
aware, the Governor was in the neighboring Town, referred
to looking for funding to buy the other half of the Tarn
and made some references in her little speech regarding
how this area is the headwaters of the Raritan River and
how, whatever happens up here affects everybody downstream.
Well, this tract is the very top of that downstream. So,
I thank you again. I had one questionBthere is no reference
in this Resolution to the fact that this land abuts Allamuchy
State Park, and I was wondering if you would consider adding
that or possibly enclosing a map with the Resolution when
it goes down to Trenton to give them an idea exactly what
we=re talking about. But thank you again.
Mr. Dorsey: We=ll addBwhere it enumerates the five blocks
of lotsBunder that, we=ll simply add AWhich Lots immediately
adjoin Allamuchy State Park and are at the very headwaters
of the South Branch of the Raritan River.@
Mr. Rattner: So moved.
Mr. Spino: Second.
President Sohl: Roll call on the Amendment.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Consent Resolutions
and Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
RESOLUTIONS - NONCONSENT
4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township
of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to Olympus International,
AG in a Sum Not to Exceed $96,000. (Turkey Brook Park)
Mr. Bonte: If this work is completed by Olympus and we
elect to go with a different contractor will we own ourselves,
for use however we see fit, the work that Olympus has performed
for us outright?
Mr. Dorsey: We=ll put that in the contract.
President Sohl: We=ll make sure that=s in the contract.
Mr. Bonte: I want to make sure that we don=t end up with
something that=s Aproprietary@ and we get sued, or we have
to pay an additional charge for someone else to use it.
Mr. Dorsey: Even Purcell doesn=t claim that we don=t own
Mr. Bonte: My other question is, do we generally believe
that once Olympus is done, and should we choose not to
use him, what he gives us will be useable by another vendor?
Or, will we find ourselves in a position of the other vendor
saying, AI can=t use any of this.@
Mr. Dorsey: The scope of services are such that the end
product is supposed to be one that we=ll all be proud of.
Mr. Bonte: Okay.
Mr. Peter Juran, President, Mt. Olive Soccer Club: Everybody
on the Council knows my position on this. I appreciate
all the comments I heard at last week=s meeting. To answer
your question, the package that will come out of Olympus
will be able to be taken and put out to Bid. They are not
constructors so they are not going to have a vested interest
in that. As I=ve said before, it=s my belief that this
is the way to go for this complex, and the product that
you get out of this company will be of the highest quality.
President Sohl: Thank you. Anyone else?
Mr. Buddy Shakespear, President MOJBSA: Our group, along
with the Soccer group concurred that Olympus is the way
to go. They=re going to give us a nice product. We=re going
to build something that=s going to be in Mt. Olive for
years to come, and it=s planned for the future, not just
President Sohl: Anyone else? Mrs. Kelly?
Mrs. Kelly: I=m a little confused. We had a meeting last
night with Kinsey, and we just got a proposal which I haven=t
really read over. Are we just completely eliminating him?
President Sohl: That subject was supposed to be resolved,
and my understanding, it has been.
Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Resolution and
Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.
Mrs. Kelly: I don=t remember this Council discussing one
way or the other which we were going to do, and I feel
a little uncomfortable voting on this right now. I would
like to see us move forward in a speedy manner, but we
really, as a Council haven=t discussed this one way or
President Sohl: I said that I was ready to make a decision
tonight. We keep going back, and somebody else will come
out of the woodwork in another three days and give us another
proposal. We have to put a stake in the ground and move
forward, and that=s where I believe we=re at.
Mrs. Kelly: Did everyone on the Council read the other
proposal, because I have not.
President Sohl: I=m content.
Mr. Scapicchio: I was in the meeting, I have met both
firms. I am satisfied with the proposal and the presentation
of everything I=ve heard with the Olympus Group. Mr. Casey
gave me a proposal from Kinsey that was faxed to him at
3:47pm today. I did go through it quickly, and I can tell
you that this proposal from Kinsey is not as complete as
the Olympus proposal. I=ll just give you several points
that I picked up. The construction contract Administration
portion is not included and he goes on to tell us that
in the event that the project is not completed by the expiration
of the contract in construction time, he=s for continuing
contract administration if such administration is directed
by the owner shall be paid by the owner. The other proposal
from Olympus is complete and total in that they charge
us a percentage and it=s not based on length of time and
we all know it=s sometimes very difficult to actually have
a date certain to have these types of projects completed.
Under E, in his proposal, Professional Services not included,
the Kinsey Proposal does not includeBand he states hereBAthey
shall not include the performance of field surveys, boundary
lines or other field work of such nature, the performance
of payment as-built surveys, the take off of precise quantities
of the several kinds of work, the field layout of the work,
or the supervision of the construction. The Olympus proposal
certainly did include the supervision of the construction.
In fact, Kinsey goes further to say within this document
that if we want him to continue with the construction management
portion of the project, he=s going to then charge us an
hourly fee, which he lays out on the last page of his proposalBpage
#6. So, if you take Mr. Casey=s analysis of a comparison,
he=s assuming that this project is going to be a $5 million
project, and if you use the Olympus proposal of 8%, that=s
a $400,000 fee. He then has itemized the Kinsey Proposal
and has come up with a figure of $262,430. that doesn=t
include the construction management of this project. I=ve
outlined this if you=d like to see it. So, I think the
comparison isn=t true, and I think the Olympus proposal
is certainly more complete.
Mr. Rattner: A couple of things. One thing, let=s not
forget, Kinsey is a very good firm, and they had a matter
of about ten hours to put together a proposal. What I had
to look at, I looked at the plan that Kinsey did put together
a couple of years ago. I also heard what the Olympus group
put together and I was definitely more satisfied with the
plan and the way of how everything was going to fit together
with the Olympus Group. I do appreciate the time that I
know our Business Administrator has spent talking to Olympus,
fine-tuning what they=re looking for, getting us more information,
trying to get the other firmBhe=s the one who arranged
getting Kinsey in here so we can compare the two, actually
meet the different principals, which I think is very, very
important, because part of it we can work for. The one
thing that I=m a little disappointed tonight, if you look
on our Agenda, it was Mrs. Kelly who was going to introduce
it, and I=m sorry she wasn=t real comfortable, because
I think it=s appropriate that her name was put thereBand
I think it was put there on purpose, because we wouldn=t
even be here today if it wasn=t for a small group of private
citizens at the time that included Mrs. Kelly and Mrs.
Murphy and Mrs.Szwak, and a couple of others who had the
idea that we could do Turkeybrook as Open Space. It was
a very big project, and when I first heard it, I didn=t
think it was even doable, and they
Mr. Rattner (cont=d): convinced me. I think it would have
been appropriate, and I=m sorry that she didn=t introduce
it. She gets credit for really starting this project along
with her small group of private citizens who thought it
was a worthwhile project.
President Sohl: Any other comments?
Mrs. Kelly: Just, I appreciated Dave=s summary of that,
I did not get a chanceBand I feel more comfortable about
Mr. Guenther: I appreciate Dave=s analysis. Because for
me to try to make a comparisonBI would need to see sort
of a comparison side by side, which I did not see with
the flurry of memos I got across my desk. Thanks Dave.
I just have one question of Peter (Juran) since you=re
with the organization that originally selected Olympus.
I believe it was a competitive process and you did consider
three different organizations at the time.
Mr. Juran: Yes. I went back to my records. There were
three different groups that we had discussions.
Mr. Guenther: And the Kinsey Group never came up as a
Mr. Juran: No, they didn=t. I searched pretty heavily
within the State to try to find groups that had this type
of experience. Going through the State Soccer Organization,
the American Association of Architects, and various groups
like that to try and come up with folks that had this type
of experience. When it came down to it, the three companies
that I came up with were well known in the industry for
designing minor league ballparks and college facilities,
complexes, and other soccer complexes like this. So, that=s
why we went with those three.
Mr. Juran: Bernie, our impetus in doing this was to create
a state-of-the-art facility for the soccer club, not primarily
to hold tournaments. We do hold one tournament a year,
but we don=t do more than that, it=s just physically impossible
based on manpower to do that. So, a tournament is part
of the use of the facility, but we want a facility that
we can all be proud of and that our kids could play safely
on. That=s how we developed the vision for our park. I
don=t know if that answers your question. Our goal is not
to create a passive recreation facility, soccer is not
Mayor Licitra: UnderstandBthe reason the B&H Tract
was not a consideration any more, we had sat down with
Olympus to do the topography with the land. It was probably
going to cost about 40% more to put the fields in. That=s
when we switched gears and it came to the idea that Turkeybrook
would be the answer at that point.
Mr. Guenther: I understand thatBand that wasn=t the question.
I was going beyond that, I was going to the plans for TurkeybrookB
Mr. Juran: It=s my believe, Bernie, that these guys have
enough Master Planning experience that whatever the Township
decides that they want at Turkeybrook these guys will be
able to help and develop that.
Mr. Guenther: All rightBthat=s essentially what I=m getting
at. And you know my position. I appreciate the need for
the active recreation facility, but I also believe that
there are some other needs the Township has. We were doing
walking trails, etc. The original plan that Kinsey put
together a couple of years ago had bocci courts and volleyball
courts and some tennis courts and so forth. We would still
like to see some of it. I just don=t want to be tied into
something whereBwith all due respect to Buddy (Shakespear)
and to you and all the work you=ve done, I don=t want it
strictly directed to baseball and soccer, which I don=t
think is fair to the whole Town.
Mr. Juran: I agree with you, Bernie. One of the first
things that Don Lockerby said to us was, AWow, can we have
this piece of property at Turkeybrook instead. We can certainly
make B&H into a passive recreation facility if that=s
what you=re interested in doing, or we can develop Turkeybrook
to include both active and passive.@ So, I think there=s
a lot of flexibility there, and you really need to sit
down with that.
Mr. Guenther: Okay. My last questionBand I don=t know
if it=s fair to ask youBthe $8 million price tag that=s
associated in some way with Olympus, and there=s a $5 million
price tag associated with Kinsey. Are weBif we commit to
this contract with Olympus, does that tie us in to their
philosophy that it=s going to cost us $8 million?
Mr. Scapicchio: No, in fact they originally got the $8
million figure from the >97 report from Kinsey. And
this assumption in the cover letter is an assumption that
Mr. Casey has made to make his comparison. So, it=s not
an assumption that either oneB
President Sohl: And the clear direction to Olympus was
that we certainly are not, as a Township, financially in
any position to bite an $8 million bullet at any one time.
And that we expect and are looking forward to a phased
approach to doing what we want. So, yes, maybe it will
be $8 million, and that may take ten years before that=s
Mr. Guenther: Thank you.
President Sohl: Any other questions?
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
1. Bill List.
Telephone Bill for Municipality for April, 2000
Philip J. Maenza
Services Rendered as Municipal Court Judge for April,
Atlantic Business Products
Purchase of Two Dell Computer for Assessing Department
Lerch, Vinci & Higgins
Progress Billing for Preparation of Statutory Annual
Audit for 1999
April, 2000 Electric Bill for Municipality
Bollinger Fowler Insurance
Dental Claims for Mount Olive Township for April, 2000
Managed Logistics System, Inc.
February, 2000 Contract Charges (includes credit due
Allied Oil Co.
March 16th Gasoline Delivery for Township Vehicles
Return of Inspection Fees Remaining in Account for Site
WATER & SEWER
March, 2000 Electric Bil
Dorsey & Fisher, Esq.
For Preparation of Bond Ordinance for Budd Lake Fire Dept.
Mr. Guenther moved for approval of the Bills and Mr. Scapicchio
seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
2. Approval of Raffle Application #943 for NJ District
#6, Vasa Order of America.
Mr. Spino moved for approval of the Motion and Mr. Rattner
seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
Library Board Liaison Report
Mr. Sohl: The last meeting was fairly uneventful, and
the next one will be, I believe May 10.
Board of Health Report
Mr. Rattner: No report.
Planning Board Report
Mr. Spino: No report.
Open Space Committee Report
Environmental Commission Report
Mrs. Kelly: No report.
Legislative Committee Report
Mr. Rattner: I=ll be going to Washington on Thursday,
meeting with Senator Torricelli, who=s holding a forum
for people in different parts of the State to discuss needs,
get feedback. The other thingBit=s not legislativeBmaybe
it=s BPUBbut we had GPU here a couple of weeks ago, and
I mentioned about the electric wires that run along Route
46 on the West lanesBwhich I think disturb the view of
the lake, plus all the trees that we have, that will run
into problems, and I=ve asked what could be done to move
those to the other side of the highway. I did get a call
two days ago and they said they were coming up with an
engineering crew to look at the poles and see what the
feasibility or what could or could not be done. I was rather
pleasantly surprised that I did get a response rather quickly.
President Sohl: I now open the meeting to the Public.
Is there anyone who would like to address the Council on
Mr. Joe Trotter, Flanders, Vice President, MOJBSA: My
question is regarding Ordinance #16-2000. In your improvements,
it does include the lights.
President Sohl: Currently.
Mr. Trotter: Is there a change in the feeling of putting
the lights in?
Mr. Rattner: We=ll see what happens at the Public Meeting.
Mr. Trotter: So, in two weeks, when you have your meeting,
the feelings will be known as individuals on the lights?
Mr. Rattner: It will be reflected on the vote in the Bond
Mr. Scapicchio: I think we=ve all made our positions known.
Mr. Trotter: I felt they were known, but now there seems
to be a cloud over that.
Mr. Spino: In order to pass a Bond Ordinance it needs
a Asuper-majority@ which is five votes.
Mr. Trotter: Right, and that would include lights, concession
Mr. Spino: Whatever is in the OrdinanceB
Mayor Licitra: It doesn=t include lights.
Mr. Rattner: The $600,000 provides the funds for the lights.
The Bond issue could go down with three negative votes.
Mr. Trotter: So, if the Bond Ordinance passes, then you
have to go on for each individual thing over $12,000 and
you would need a simple majority to pass the specifics.
Mr. Rattner: Yes.
Mr. Trotter: So if you were to put lights in, you could
probably have them in in a few weeks. So, I=m assuming
that by next baseball season, those lights would be up
and running on that park without much of a problem.
Mr. Rattner: I=m not really sure, but in the construction
probably putting up the building and doing some of the
Mr. Trotter: Whereas, if you were to take that money,
appropriate it to Turkeybrook Park so you could build lights
on those fields to get lights on a baseball field, as Mr.
Sohl alluded to, could take up to ten years.
President Sohl: Well, hopefully, we=ll have a few fields
Mr. Trotter: Well, I think in our discussions with the
baseball and soccer associations, we had talked about priorities.
Part of those priorities have been soccer, little league
baseball and, that=s pretty much the priorities that I=ve
heard in our discussions. Now, I would assume, if you=re
phasing your projects that those are areas that would be
phased in first, and some of the other ancillary project
would come in other phases. So, even if you=re in the first
phase, I assume you would not get on to the field in less
than two and a half to three years, and the second phase,
you=re looking at years beyond that.
Mr. Spino: Are you talking about Turkeybrook?
Mr. Trotter: Turkeybrook.
Mr. Spino: I would agree.
Mr. Trotter: So my point here is, when you=re considering,
I hope you consider the dollars that you might be throwing
up there, you=re going to be getting three to four years
usage on the Flanders Park for the Babe Ruth Association
and the boys that are coming up now. I think we have a
project that was properly planned, a lot of good thought
put into it. I think it=s well spent money to complete
the project that you have planned and move on to Turkeybrook
as opposed to doing that half-baked, getting a ballfield,
we=re ready to go, and let=s leave them with port-a-johns
and a net and all the rest of that stuff, and let=s move
on to Turkeybrook. It=s not a difficult thing to have a
few good facilities. You don=t have to have all your eggs
in one basket up at Turkeybrook. I think it would be a
good thing to complete the Flanders Project as planned
with all the facilities that you have planned there, and
probably even a few more. Get that to be a nice start.
Because that=s a start, and you could have that done in
another year or so. Then let=s get another facility that
we can be proud of after that.
Mayor Licitra: I just want to give you a little remembrance
of what happened about seven or eight years ago when we
decided what our needs were in the Township and we sat
down with all the groups and we decided that our first
need was a Babe Ruth field. Our second need was a football
field. Our needs have changed somewhat because we had a
population explosion as far as the other leagues were concerned,
and we=ll take care of that. But, understand that, that
still is our need. We have a lot of children coming up
from the little league to the Babe Ruth system that, if
they make it attractive to them to play in the minors and
the majors, they=ll come up to the Babe Ruth. Also, you
have to remember the explosion in our football program.
You can=t house the football program any more on the fields
that the Board of Education has given us. So that was the
second need. There was a lot of thought that went into
this. We have to fulfill the needs because we=ll have to
double up on those fields eventually.
Mr. Killian: I=m involved with Football, Cheerleading,
Recreation Advisory and Mayor=s Youth Committee. I=m speaking
on behalf of the representatives of baseball. The current
field at Flanders-Crossing Park is a regulation size Babe
Ruth field. There are not plans to have this type of field
implemented in Turkeybrook. Therefore, this would be their
only facility aside from the High School facility and the
Tinc Road facility that they use. There were some concerns
in terms of the safety issueBplaying at duskBand that was
one of the reasons the lights were suggested at the fieldBalso,
in regards to football, currently, we play at the Middle
School field. Our population has grown such that it=s been
difficult to try to schedule. We=ve grown to seven teams,
and two clinic, two flags, which are the youngest levels,
which tells me there is going to be a booming population
as they get older. It=s almost impossible to schedule and
accommodate all the parents that have kids in both cheerleading
and football, and they=re traveling back and forth when
we have teams playing away. Whereas, if we had the field
here, we could play night games and hold games here for
the younger kids instead of sending them packing to another
town. In regards to football, the lighting at Flanders
Park would only be subjective to four weekends a season.
We have four home games a year. So you=re looking at four
Friday/Saturday nights that we would need access to that
field with lights, and then the residents would not have
to concern themselves with us being there. I can=t speak
for soccerBI don=t know what their plans are for the use
of that field. But wrapping this upBI think the problem
is, we start a project and we take one step forward and
two steps back. We have the opportunity now to complete
something that the residents can be proud of, that the
residents can see that there is progress in this Town,
that you as Councilmen, and His Honor, the Mayor, are actually
getting things done and not just sitting on it Mr. Killian
(cont=d): for another two-three years such as in the past.
I also think we=re looking at Turkeybrook like it=s going
to happen tomorrow. It=s not. We=re looking at a five-year
minimum wait before we can play on that fieldBbefore we
can even step on to that field. So, if you want to make
an immediate impact which would benefit you as Council
members and Administratively, I think this is what you
need to do. Show some sort of pride in Mt. Olive and show
the fact that there is a complex, a facility in this Town
that we can be proud of. Thank you.
President Sohl: Thank you. Is there anyone else?
Mr. Robert Greenbaum, Flanders: I=m going to be very brief
because I know most of the discussion on this issue will
occur the next meeting, when it comes up for Second Reading.
I thinkBwhat I walk away from here tonight is a little
bit of disappointment. I think that there was an error
made before tonight in the wording and in the scope of
the Bonding issue that was presented here tonight. In essence,
I think what now is going to occur is the total Bonding
Ordinance is going to be the discussion of a AYes@ or a
ANo@ vote. Meaning, that the park does not get developed.
I think what should have happened, there should have been
a split in the Bonding. One for all of the things which
everyone wants, the things we haven=t heard any opposition
to. And one for the lighting, which obviously, is a concern
to a lot of the people on Council. In that way, we could
have gone forward with finishing the park, and we could
have had serious discussion on the lighting issue. But
now, what=s likely to happen is, we=re going to have this
discussion that=s going to jeopardize moving forward with
the park. And I=ll save all of my individual comments on
the lighting issue until next week.
Mr. Pete Coulter, Flanders Crossing: I=ll be traveling
on business when you talk about this at the next meeting,
so I=ll burden you with my comments tonight, and hope you=ll
keep them in mind. The towers that are being proposed are
twice as tall as any structure in all of Flanders Valley.
They=re probably seven times as tall as any tree that separates
Flanders Crossing from this park. It will be 30 years before
these trees provide any shade to the people that are the
residents there. The Ordinance doesn=t apply to things
that the Town does, so you can do it. Twice, in the past
five years, you have gone back and limited the amount of
lighting that went next to my development because it was
the right thing to do. I think looking at these lights
is the right thing to do. I don=t think that you should
do this because it=s the wrong thing to do for the character
of the neighborhood. The lights will be on a couple of
hours a week, a couple of games, whatever The towers will
be an eye-sore 365 days a year. You=ve seen all the people
complain about cell-towers and things. These towers are
going to be just as tall with relationship to anything
else in the neighborhood, and they=ll be there whether
they=re on or not. I=d just like you to consider those
things when you look at this issue in two weeks. It=s a
question of equity, not a question of law. Is it the right
thing to do? I don=t think so.
President Sohl: Anyone else from the Public on any matter?
If not, I will close the meeting to the Public.
Mr. Scapicchio: I just want to mention. My concerns with
respect to the Bond OrdinanceBI want to get a consensus
that we would move forward with the Bond Ordinance and
we would act upon the projects that all of us are in favor
of as one vote and the lights separately. Because I see
this Bond Ordinance failing next week, and us doing nothing.
Mr. Guenther: You just explained my ANo@ vote. I think
this was poorly worded, it wasn=t worded properly, and
explicit enough, and that=s why I voted ANo.@
Mr. Scapicchio: What would you like to see changed?
Mr. Guenther: Now is not the time to do itBnobody seemed
to pay much attention to it at the time.
Mr. Spino: I don=t agree, David. If this Ordinance is
voted down for that reason, I don=t think it takes any
great deal of timeBat most, you lose a couple of weeks,
you get another Ordinance made and vote on it as they come.
You lose two weeks, if at all.
Mr. Rattner: Can I make a suggestion that for the next
Public Meeting we have another Ordinance written. Figure
out what we need to go forwardBbecause if the Bond Ordinance
fails, because I=m going to vote against it, because I=m
convinced that if it passes the lights are going in. So,
we have a second Ordinance ready to be introduced if it
goes down, we can introduce another Ordinance and all we=ll
do is lose two weeks. We can at least move forward, and
get everything else.
President Sohl: That=s fine, we=ll do that. We will adjourn
this meeting and then go into a workshop Session.
Motion made for adjournment. All in Favor, None Opposed.
The Meeting was adjourned at 9:40pm.
William H. Sohl
I, LISA M. LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of
Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes
is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a
legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council
duly held on MAY 9, 2000.
LISA M. LASHWAY
Mount Olive Township Clerk