Township Council Minutes
April 9, 2002
The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was
called to order at 7:30 pm by Council President Scapicchio
with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
MOMENT OF SILENCE
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice
of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle
and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at
in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt.
Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting
ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller, Mr. Guenther
Mr. Rattner, President Scapicchio, Mr. Spino
Absent: Ray Perkins
Certificate of Achievement Presentation - Mt. Olive Junior
Marauder Wrestling Team
Civilian Service Award Presented to Dylan Winne by Chief
Police Chief Edward Katona: We are very pleased to be here
this evening to recognize a young man for an excellent job
that he did in reporting an incident which resulted in the
saving of a life.
[A recording of the actual 911 call was played, followed by
a heartfelt applause from the audience].
I think this was just a terrific job Dylan. I have to read
something here, Dylan. On April 4, 2002, at about 11:30 am,
James Wayne, grandfather to 7 year old Dylan, suffered, a
medical emergency and collapsed while caring for his grandson.
The two had been busy preparing their lunch when James was
stricken. After witnessing his grandfather's collapse, young
Dylan without panicking was doing better than I am right now.
He dialed 911 and spoke to Police Dispatcher Andrea Risen.
Dylan calmly provided Mrs. Risen with the information she
needed to dispatch police officers to the scene. He also made
sure she heard about "chocolate milk". He followed
her directions and continued to stay on the phone with her
while he checked for signs of his grandfathers breathing.
Dylan even had the caring presence of mind to comfort his
unconscious grandfather as he waited a few moments for the
police to arrive. Dylan's calmness under stress and his awareness
to call for help made the difference that day and probably
saved grandpa's life. He acted decisively when many adults
would have panicked. His actions are highly commendable and
serve as a model to us all. The Mt. Olive Police Department
hereby awards it's civilian service award to Dylan Wynn for
service to our community. Dylan, your grandfather was sick
last week and needed help very badly. Instead of being scared
you were very brave. You stayed calm, you called 911 and others
came to help. Many kids and many adults would not have been
as brave as you were that day. You did a very good job. We
are here to give you this award so that everyone knows just
how good a job you did. Thank you for acting bravely and helping
your grandfather. We have for you this citation, which looks
really boring, but you may like this as you get a little older.
We have a medal to give you that you could wear. Congratulations
Dylan. Dylan also got a tour of the Police Department earlier.
Please take this as a token of our affection. Thank you for
a well done job.
Dylan: Thank you.
Chief Katona: You are very welcome, thank you.
President Scapicchio: Chief, thank you for bringing that
to our attention.
Mr. Rattner: On the end of that call, was that the police
officer actually arriving at the apartment?
Chief Katona: Yes it was.
Mr. Rattner: Did you time it?
Chief Katona: No I did not, although it was about a minute
and a half.
Mr. Rattner: I just think that also besides having wonderful
young citizens like that, they are going to grow up to be
wonderful young adults and I think the Police Department should
be congratulated that we have a Police Department that is
that efficient that can make a call that quickly, because
those seconds do mean a lot.
Chief Katona: Those seconds do mean a lot and those officers
who responded to that was Captain Spitzer and Lieutenant Beecher.
If you heard the speaking to a seven year old in that situation
Chief Katona (cont'd) difficult and Andrea Risen did an absolutely
wonderful job. I should also say to everybody, Dylan was:
taught how to call 911 by his mother and that is something
that we should all go home, talk to our children and let them
practice how to make that call, don't dial it, but let them
pick up the phone and say "can you help me?" I don't
know how well my children would have done in that situation.
Thank you very much.
Certificate of Achievement Presentation - Mt. Olive Junior
Marauder Wrestling Team
Mayor Licitra: Before I call up your coach to present these,
I want to thank you for coming out tonight, and I guess as
busy as I was in sports and the Town, I never really got involved
in the wrestling program, until about 10 years ago when we
started to provide funds for these different programs, I think
the mats were the first thing that you people had wanted.
If anybody has been in a program that long then you know your
mats were all ratty and ugly and horrible and you needed mats.
So we tried to provide you with mats, and I started learning
more and more about the wrestling program, and I started believing
that this is Mt. Olive's best most well kept secret. I don't
think what people realize what a great program we have, and
we are dedicated not only the coaches who dedicate their lives
at least three or four months out of their life to this program,
but definitely the children who have to make weight to wrestle
and the competition and the notoriety and the non-notoriety.
I could tell you this Mayor is very cognitive of your participation
and the children's participation in the program. How it brings
pleasure to Mount Olive and it makes us look well and it makes
us look well in the eyes of people in the County and all around
the State. Maybe it won't be a secret anymore and when we
do good things and things like we did with the Delaware Valley
Tournament Champion I think the notoriety will come to you.
This is just our way of saying thank you. Thank you to the
coaches for supporting your children and I know it is a hard
support. The meals have to be just so. The food has to be
just so. I have become very aware of what happens and what
goes into a wrestling program over the last ten 10 years.
I want to thank you children for being involved in it. It
shows a lot of dedication. This dedication to the sport is
going to pay off. You have to have dedication to something,
you will do good, I admire you. At this point I would like
to call up your coach, Vick Amada to hand you some certificates
and this is our way of saying thank you.
Vick Amada: Thank you Mayor. Congratulations to all other
participants who are here as part of the Junior Marauder Program.
The Mayor is right in terms of the commitment on behalf of
the parents and the kids. It's a longer season than most of
you experience in other sports. It is a vigorous season. We
are going to recognize some boys here tonight. I am humble
to be up here. The head coach of our team is John Miele. John
could not be here. Joe Dyer who is the president of our program
is here Ross LaGrande who has been a terrific assistant all
year for myself and John Miele. I will take a minute here
to thank the Council and thank all the members here for recognizing
us. Babies cry for it and men die for it; recognition. You
can't have enough recognition. I think it is wonderful that
you are taking time to do that. The first wrestler I want
to recognize is one of the youngest wrestlers on the team.
He had a phenomenal record this year. He probably wrestled
more matches than just about anybody. His dad could probably
tell me his overall record. He won most of the tournaments
he participated in. He won the Delaware Valley Tournament
as well as a couple of other novice tournaments and went on
to participate for the Junior Marauders in the State Tournament,
I believe he took fifth or sixth in the State. We are going
to hear and see a lot about Ryan Dyer. This boy is a first
year wrestler and we'd like about 20 of these boys on our
team. The Mayor is right, we are a well kept secret, but not
for long. You will read and hear about us as we set some very
ambitious goals as coaches and wrestlers and this boy is going
to participate in many of our goals moving forward into the
future. I believe he is a second grader. I know he is an athlete
in other regards. He plays other sports as well and has had
success there, but as a first year wrestler, he won the Delaware
Valley Tournament. I believe he also won the Hopatcong/Lenape
Valley Tournament as well. Certainly a future champion David
Markee. I am going to recognize a couple of the boys that
could not make it tonight. This boy is a second or third year
wrestler, a fourth grader, a boy who is going to win just
about every time he goes out. He was one of our two tri-county
champions this year, the Tri-county tournament is a league
tournament for the varsity wrestlers that come together at
the end of the year and it is a highly competitive tournament
and Dylan Smith was on of our champions. This boy is a first
year varsity wrestler for us and I am very proud of him. He
also won the attitude of excellence award which is voted on
by the coaches on the team. He was one of our tri-county champions
and he is also my beloved son, Michael. This is one of the
boys you want on your team forever. You don't want him to
grow up, you don't want him to leave your team because he
is a natural athlete and natural leader. He had a terrific
dual meet season in which I think he won all his matches for
one, and in wrestling the object is to go out and pin and
pick up team points, and he did that most of the times he
went out for us. He came at the end of the season and wrestled
at a very competitive tournament called the North Jersey Tournament
in which we participated in as a team. In wrestling, you wrestle
by weight and often what happens is you wrestle boys who are
two and sometimes three years older than you. So imagine moms,
your boy going out against a boy who is the same weight, but
sometimes he is two or three years older
Vick Amada (cont'd): than your boy. This boy came on at the
end of the year just as a phenomenal win to wrestle two or
three boys in a tournament who had great success before and
really who were favored to win the tournament. This boy came
on and he won it. He stole the tournament from everybody.
It was very exciting. You are going to hear a lot about him
and his other sports as well, Alex LaGrande. Okay, this boy
is not here but I will recognize him. He is a fifth grader
who is a big kid and a wrestling match can be good or it can
be bad. When you have a wrestler who is a big kid and he is
strong and tough and is willing to go out there, he did a
phenomenal job for us. Not only did he compete well throughout
the season and won a lot of matches, he actually won the pin
to win an award for our team. So he went out and pinned a
lot. Another incredible finish for him, he is a fifth grader
wrestling in the midget division at the State level, the boys
can compete at the State level as Ryan Dyer did and that encompasses
the whole state. This boy Kyle Hopler took second in the entire
State of New Jersey in his weight class which was 95 lbs for
a fifth grader. You are going to hear a lot about Kyle Hoppler.
This boy is a sixth grader, he won our commitment award. One
of the hardest things for wrestlers is to come out day after
day after day and really commit and wrestle hard and eat well
and get your sleep and do your homework. This boy unfortunately
he could not be here tonight. He comes from a wrestling family
and you'll hear a lot about this family in the years to come.
This is Bronson Offerding. I want to recognize this boy as
one of our team captains because as a coaching coordinator
and a former wrestler in a neighboring town, we look for leadership.
Coaches are always looking for leadership. Boys who are willing
to tell another boy, ask another boy what to do and ask questions
of the coaches and show leadership and when you have a couple
of boys on the team like this, it raises the whole level of
the team. It is very exciting to have this boy on the team.
He finished 4th place in the tri-county this year and he really
is just getting started as a 7th grader I believe this is
Eric DiColo. This boy was a unanimous decision on the part
of the coaches to be our most outstanding wrestler for the
year. He is also a very exciting wrestler. You never knew
what was going to happen when he went out on the mat and wrestled
and I am sorry he could not be here tonight, I am not sure
what his snafu was but I am sure if he could have been here,
he would have been here. Again he is a 7th grader so you will
hear a lot about him next year in the Mt. Olive Chronicle
as you will all of these boys because none of these boys are
graduating to high school, but you will hear a lot about Alan
Neiderlander, unfortunately he could not be here. Okay, this
boy and again you are looking for leadership on a team. It
was exciting to have some boys step up and really choose to
be leaders or want to be leaders on the team, and that is
always exciting especially for coaches to have boys who will
step up and do that and we know that Jim wants to do that.
Jim is a 7th grader, he was a third place finisher at the
tri-county tournament, he was a State qualifier, and a Captain
for our team and again you are going to read and hear a lot
about Jim Lashway. That will conclude the presentation for
Mayor Licitra: I want to thank you all for coming and supporting
your children and I want to thank the coaches for supporting
the team and anything that we could do as Mayor or Council
to help support you, let us know. Like I said, It is a great
program, and it has some great kids coming out of it. Thank
you very much. I applaud you.
Mt. Olive Middle School Environmental/Community Garden
President Scapicchio: Okay, next on the agenda, we have with
us tonight, Mrs. Ryan McCrea who is a teacher over at the
Middle School, she had called and sent me a letter requesting
that they be able to use the old recycling center for what
they call a Community Environmental Education Center. Mr.
Guenther, myself, the Board of Education President Rob Mania,
and Board Member Larry McEntee discussed this a month ago
at one of our joint meetings, we thought it was a worthy cause
and I had invited Mrs. McCrea to make this presentation this
evening. The floor is yours.
Mrs. Ryan McCrea: The students handed out pamphlets to every
Council Member and we also have them for all people in attendance.
They may take a second to come out. While they are passing
out these pamphlets I would like to give you an idea of how
this idea started. When I applied for a position at the Middle
School for an environmental science teacher, they asked me
what kinds of things I could see myself doing as an educator
at the Middle School, and one of the things I told them is
if students came up to me and asked me that I would love to
help them begin some kind of outdoor environmental education
center of any size, shape, form any way they wanted to set
it up, but they had to come to me. Part of the Middle school's
Philosophy is that we need to promote individual responsibility,
individual initiative as well as group and teamwork. Three
female students came up to me in June of last year and said
Mrs. McCrea, for our community service project we would love
to do something that has to do with something outside and
an environment and some kind of area. That is where this began.
It has taken shape, we have made proposals both to the Board
of Education and to our Principal. We have their support.
They have been wonderful. The students have worked very hard
on these presentations and it is my pleasure to turn it over
Robert Cramer: The Mt. Olive Middle School Environmental
Planning Team seeks to create a community garden designed
to provide long term esthetic value for a long life learning
opportunity for an increasingly diverse and growing community.
The idea for the community garden and environmental education
center was initiated by students and the intent of the planning
team is to see this project executed and maintained by the
students with support from facility and community members.
Mrs. McCrea: Creating a community garden such as the one
outlined in this presentation goes beyond a need for site
improvement and beautification. It provides a relevant and
meaningful opportunity to strengthen environmental awareness
and to model citizenship through service. Our students here
at the Middle School have through the planning process already
gained valuable life skills in networking and finances, time
management, in perseverance and in critical thinking. As this
project continues, the students will strengthen their leadership
skills as they recruit volunteers, gather support, interact
with the community, the school and with local businesses and
train new student leaders to help manage the gardens. The
community will enjoy a place to visit for organization sponsored
programs, group gathering, educational opportunities as well
as for leisure activities such as reading, planting, sketching
and wildlife observation.
Katie Maiello: By the end of the second year the planning
team seeks to have an established plan for gathering community
support and involvement that will be in place and utilized
on a consistent basis. All fencing will be installed and walkways
will be aligned throughout the garden. The planting area will
be established, and community groups will begin to adopt the
specific area of their choice. Finally, an effective maintenance
plan will be in use on a bi-weekly basis.
Sennet Zhen: At the fifth year marked the walkways will be
installed throughout the garden. All predetermined planting
will be done in programs which utilize the garden will be
offered to the schools and to local community groups. In addition,
if sufficient funds are raised, teaching shelters will be
constructed to allow further educational opportunities.
Nicole Feldman: At the ten year mark community members and
Middle School students will be making regular and frequent
use of the Mt. Olive Community Garden. These activities include
planting, harvesting, pruning, canning making desserts, foods
of the wild native New Jersey species speakers, poetry and
literature readings, musicians, flower arranging, recycling,
leisure activities, group gathering and sponsored events.
Reethika Kelly: The proposed location for the community garden
is best known as the old recycling center property between
the Mt. Olive Middle School and the Mt. Olive Community Library.
The tentative layout is flexible to adjust to any size property
aimed appropriate for at project of this nature.
Jessica Patterson: The Mt. Olive Township Community Gardens
will be an enclosed area that contain walkways through the
center and around the perimeter. Designated planting areas
can be adopted by community members, local businesses, and
other groups. A small vegetable garden for New Jersey Agricultural
Crops, a tree farm and many fruit and nut trees.
Jack Trebor: The planning team consists of a central team
coordinator that oversees the general planning process and
several administrative branches covering the overall areas
of maintenance, building, community involvement environmental
improvement, publicity and planting. These branches are currently
held by a group of dedicated, ambitious, Middle School students.
Tara Ziegfuss: The planning team will continually seek organizational
support from government agencies, local organizations, community
groups and knowledgeable members of the local area. We are
grateful for the list of organizational commitments to assist
these efforts. Morris County Soil Conservation Natural Resources
Conservation Service, United States Department of Agriculture,
New Jersey Coalition for Schoolyard Habitats, New Jersey's
Division of Parks and Forestry.
Mrs. Ryan McCrea: A project such as this has enormous potential
for receiving grant monies from a variety of organizations.
The planning team currently has $2,500 secured in grant money
from the natural resources conservation service in Morris
Plains. Upon approval for the project, the planning team intends
to apply for a considerable number of grants. The PTA has
also expressed interest in this project and provides yearly
grant opportunities to the faculty at the Mt. Olive Middle
School District. The team will conduct fundraisers and host
educational programs for additional funds that are not provided
through the grants. The planning team is constantly looking
for new ways to provide for the project and will seek appropriate
counsel concerning best practices for financial responsibility.
We would be happy to provide you with any additional information
that you desire. Please feel free to contact us with any questions,
concerns, ideas, etc. We would also appreciate any comments
or suggestions that you may have.
Mrs. Ryan McCrea (cont'd): Our e-mail address and phone number
are located both on the brochure and in your presentation
guide. If you have a garden and a Library you have everything
you need. Thank you for considering this proposal. We look
forward to your response. Are there any questions?
President Scapicchio: Council, any questions? I would like
to make the proposal that we allow the Middle School to utilize
the old recycling center for this project and Mayor I think
that it would compliment your overall plan in making the old
library a Community Center. I think both of them would compliment
Mayor Licitra: Moving the recycling center was the first
step in this thing, I think it is something that we would
support definitely, I think it is good for all those reasons.
Administration has absolutely no problem with this.
Mr. Spino: Just a suggestion. I have no problem with committing
to do this. I just think we should make sure that we are going
to use the library when the new library is built that we have
a plan for the entire piece of property. I just think we should
make sure that there is enough parking and things like that.
I think the project is excellent, but I just don't want down
the line to try to fit to much into this space because if
people are going to be able to come there during the day they
are going to need parking. If there are people going to what
might be a youth center, there is going to have to be parking.
We know that we did not, I believe in my own personal opinion,
we did not prepare enough although I made the same suggestion
then that I am now, that we have enough parking in the back.
If you come here on court night and there happens to be some
other things going on in this building, that parking lot is
filled. I just want to make sure that does not occur. We are
talking about safety, there is going to be a lot of children
involved. I just like to make sure we have a plan first.
Mrs. Ryan McCrea: One of the things that the planning team
actually went out and did, is we went out with a measuring
tape and we went through what we felt would be a variety of
different options for amounts of space. We indicated them
on the paper being handed out, entitled land dimensions. We
measured from the first light pole as your are going into
the bus parking lot forward to the bank near the road, and
that is approximate measure. But approximately 263 foot x
183 foot. We also measured from the back of the recycling
center to there is a very small evergreen tree sticking out,
that is approximately 273 foot x 183 f00t. Then we measured
in smaller increments in case something that we were unaware
of had been planned. Mr. Wenner one time had mentioned something
about him wanting a volley ball court. So we measured in smaller
increments as well. We have 158 foot. from the small evergreen
tree to the bank. 168 foot from the back of the recycling
center to that first light pole and from the first light pole
to the evergreen tree. We did our best to come up with what
we thought would be options that would be open. But certainly
any size that is deemed appropriate would be more than we
Mr. Spino: I have another question, and I have done this
before also. We have at the high school what I used to call
a mechanical drawing class, now it is called technical drawing.
Maybe you could get students to volunteer in that class, to
lay out a plan for use of the property and the library to
find out exactly what could be fit in that property and if
that can't be done, then certainly we could have our engineer
lay out a plan, I mean if we are serious about doing both
of these things on that one lot.
Mr. Greenbaum: I think it was an excellent presentation,
it's an exciting plan. What happens when the needs of the
Township change, and we now need that property for the Council
or some future Council decides that they need the property
for some other use which is deemed to be a greater value to
the community. I am not saying that is something we should
put this plan on the back burner, because I think this is
excellent, I would love to see them start this right away,
I just don't know how we would deal with that situation down
the road if it arose.
President Scapicchio: My thought was that we weren't gong
to deed over the ownership of property that we were just going
to allow them to utilize that property as long as we had no
further use for it.
Mr. Greenbaum: I think so long as they embark on that on
the project with that understanding, I would like to see it
happen. I think it is great to see the youth in our Town undertake
such a project. I think they need to know that at some point
down the road and I can't imagine that such a need would arise,
but it is possible that ultimately the project may have to
be changed at some point in time.
Mr. Spino: That is a thought we have to deal with. I was
going to amend to something like that I am glad that Rob did.
In the plan, you talk about a 10 year plan. I would for eight
years down the line. I would assume this would involve planting
some trees. Eight years down the line after those trees are
planted, we say we need it for something else. I might still
be around, but I won't be on the Council.
Mr. Spino (cont'd): I would hate to have to tell those kids
that we are going to have to take that all down. We should
make sure we know before hand what is going to go in there
and how long. It is a difficult thing because you want to
make sure they have it.
Mr. Greenbaum: I would feel terrible as well. I think so
long as they undertake it with the understanding that ultimately
it may change, then it is a great project.
Mr. Spino: We thought we would be playing soccer over there
for the next hundred years.
Mayor Licitra: When this was first brought to the administration,
Bob Casey laid out a plan. The idea was that we could never
move the recycling center and we did. I would hope that the
spirit of cooperation that we have shown to the School Administration
would be extended back to us if at that time we'd have to
use that property for something else. I think everybody here
is very happy with his project, very happy to make it go forward,
but I think we should tell the School Administration that
at that time, and they probably won't be around either in
8-10 years, at least at that point go on the record and say
if we really have to use it, lets work together. If you were
to find us some property in town that we would use for whatever
we have to use it for. Whatever comes up, but I think that
has to be out on the table now.
Mr. Scapicchio: My suggestion would be to be put in the form
of a resolution. Mr. Rattner?
Mr. Rattner: Looking at the dimensions, they are asking anywhere
from a half an acre to an acre and a quarter. I think the
issue, once it is committed to something it is not going to
be a big item. However, I do have the same concern that Mr.
Spino had about knowing what we are doing about the library
because it would not hurt us to get a half acre someplace
else if we needed it right there. I also know in this years
budget, there was some improvements, I am not sure if this
is overlapping what has already been thought about. It was
pulled out because we already lost the grant money. I just
wanted to make sure that if we plan a youth center that there
is enough parking so there aren't people parked on the road.
This is the only thing I am really concerned about. We know
that this parking lot now is big enough for 25-28 cars.. Other
than that I think it is still a 7,000 ft. building which means
it can hold quite a large party. So, once we could at least
sketch out and know what we are going to do. If we at least
say 7,000 ft, then we know where we can put this. We don't
have any problem once it is there. If we need a little more
parking, we put it on the other side of the School Board property
and share a parking lot. That is what we really should be
doing. What Mr. Spino said, just make sure that we don't need
it for the future. At least today to get a general conceptual
and then move ahead.
Mrs. Miller: I think it is a wonderful plan.
Mayor Licitra: If I may pick up on what Earl said. Why don't
we sit down with the Administration and if we are looking
for an overall plan, maybe they could help support us in whatever
it would cost to put an overall plan together, this way I
am sure that this will be done properly for everybody and
we'll be able to satisfy the environmental center by giving
them the property and just making sure that the whole thing
is planned properly. In the spirit of cooperation as we had
with the school administration, we would sit down and find
out a way that we could do it and get an engineer to try to
plan something out so it is done better for everybody.
Mrs. Miller: I would like to offer one suggestion to the
group. Does the group have a composting area? It is just as
much fun to make soil as it is to garden, I have been doing
it for years.
President Scapicchio: Mayor to keep this moving forward at
some steady pace, how would you propose that we precede?
Mayor Licitra: Lets have either Catherine or Lisa set up
an appointment for you and I at a convenient time. I guess
with the School Board President and Mr. Mongon, I guess those
are the two people we should sit down and talk about this
President Scapicchio: Okay, that brings us to the first Public
Comment Period of this Council Meeting. Would anyone from
the Public like to address the Council on any subject at all?
Seeing none, we will close the first portion of the Public
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS - none
Mr. Dorsey: Last week, Mr. Alocca did not have with you the
experience modification factors for Mt. Olive. I have passed
it out to you in three separate modification factors. If you
find Mt. Olive on the chart and you read across, the experience
modification and general liability is actually very good.
You are seventh from the lowest out of 31, the automotive
liability experience modification is even better, you are
the second lowest in terms of the bottom. On the other hand,
the worker's comp experienced modification is not good. It
is 1.101, Mt. Olive collects it's own garbage and then therefore
has a heavier work force
with heavier equipment than most of the other towns. For instance,
the other one that comes to mind right away that are in the
same category is Roxbury and if you see Roxbury is two tenths
of a higher, Hanover collects its own garbage and it is roughly
one half of what Mt. Olives' is. I think it is interesting
to see where you stand in terms of the modification factors
involving the 31 towns. The radiant one is the standard and
that is for instance Rockaway Boro, and it is their first
year. I have also passed out to you a schedule listing the
State Tax Court Appeals, tax court appeals that have been
filed. They are not all equal, BASF involves a $160,000,000
assessment. This involves three years of Tax appeals. 2000,
2001, and 2002 and is scheduled for trial in early May. Firetower
which is Crowntower Estates is an interesting one because
about a year and a half ago the owner said he was not going
to file for Farmland assessment because he wasn't going to
need it anymore so Marchione took it away and of course he
appeals from the fact that he no longer has farmland assessment.
I'll mention one other thing, Charter's Farm, we're in the
process of acquiring that property moves forward and apparently
will be a delay in terms of the originally expected closing
date of April 26, 2002 because from the owners standpoint
it is the tenants obligation. The tenant has not yet cleaned
up the property, the County takes the position, all of the
debris and must be cleaned up. The tenant has apparently not
yet relocated, so Sherry will be happy because she will be
able to collect interest on our investments there until we
President Scapicchio: Thank you Mr. Dorsey
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS:
February 12, 2002 Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs.
Mr. Perkins, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Spino
March 26, 2002 CS Present: Mr. Guenther, Mrs. Miller, President
Scapicchio, Mr. Perkins, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Rattner
Absent: Mr. Spino
April 2, 2002 Present: Mr. Rattner, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Perkins,
Mr. Spino, President Scapicchio
Absent: Mr. Guenther
Mr. Rattner moved for approval of the minutes and Mrs. Miller
seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from other Municipalities
1. Resolution No. 02-108 received March 21, 2002 from the
Town of Boonton to assure that the Government and Legislature
continue funding to the New Jersey Historical Commission and
the New Jersey Historical Trust.
2. Resolution received March 25, 2002 from the Township of
Jefferson urging the Governor of the State of New Jersey not
to withdraw or reduce funds from the emergency medical technician
fund except as it relates to covering the costs of EMT training.
3. Ordinance No. 6-02 received March 25, 2002 from the Township
of Roxbury to Amend Chapter XIII, land development ordinance,
article IV, improvements and guarantees, section 13-4.8, off
tract/offsite accounts, subsection 13-4.801, requirements,
of the revised general ordinances.
4. Resolution No. 2202-085 received April 4, 2002 from the
Township of Chatham supporting the programs of the New Jersey
Division of Fish and Wildlife & the Fish and Game Council
in their efforts to control the population of white tail deer
in New Jersey.
League of Municipalities
5. Letter received March 28, 2002 from the Morris County
League of Municipalities regarding an invitation to Morris
County League Members to attend a dinner on April 17, 2002.
6. Letter received April 1, 2002 from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding 2002-2003 legislative bulletin.
7. Letter received April 2, 2002 from the State League of
Municipalities regarding Governor McGreevey's preliminary
budget proposal review.
8. Letter received April 3, 2002 form the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding CAP relief for employee
group benefit programs.
DOT / DEP / Permit's / LOI's
9. Letter received March 25, 2002 from the Department of
Environmental Protection regarding basic industrial stormwater
general permit renewal for 4 Thirty-Second St. & 281 Sandshore
Rd. Budd Lake, NJ [B-2603, L 1 & 4].
Correspondence from Legislative Representatives
10. Letter received March 26, 2002 from the Office of the
Governor regarding Governor McGreevey who signed an executive
order establishing the Toll Road Construction Commission.
11. Letter received March 27, 2002 from the Office of the
Governor regarding Governor McGreevey who took further action
to close a $2.9 billion shortfall in the FY02 budget.
12. Letter received March 28, 2002 from the Statehouse regarding
Governor McGreevey's Budget Garners Praise.
13. Letter received April 1, 2002 from the Statehouse regarding
updated news and latest actions from Governor McGreevey on
Correspondence from Organizations / Committees / Boards
14. Letter received March 28, 2002 from Herold's Landscaping,
L.L.C. regarding the increased population of deer especially
in Morris County.
15. Council on Affordable Housing [COAH] newsletter received
April 1, 2002.
16. Letter received March 28, 2002 from the New Jersey Department
of Community Affairs Division of Local Government Services
regarding advice given from the Attorney General's Office
on the Local Public Contracts Law.
17. Letter received April 1, 2002 from Cozen O'Conner Attorney's
regarding the Joint Petition of New Jersey-American Water
Company, Inc. and Thames Water Aqua Holdings GmbH for Approval
of a Change in Control of New Jersey.
18. Letter received April 1, 2002 from NJN Public Television
& Radio regarding NJN productions during the week of April
8 through April 12, 2002.
President Scapicchio stated that we have 18 items of Correspondence
and asked if Council had any comments on same? Seeing none,
lets move on. We have four Ordinances for Public Hearing tonight.
ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING
Ord. #11-2002 An Ordinance to Amend and Supplement Chapter
4 Section 106A of the Mount Olive Code. (fixing the time of
Council meetings to 7:30 p.m.)
President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #11-2002.
No one wished to be heard, the Public Hearing on Ord. #11-2002
Mr. Ratter moved for adoption and Final Passage of Ord.#11-2002
and Mrs. Miller seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Scapicchio: Declared Ord. #11-2002 is passed on
second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a
copy of same to the Mayor and to publish the notice of adoption
as required by law.
Ord. #12-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive,
Morris County, New Jersey, Establishing Fees for the Renewal
of Alcoholic Beverage Licenses. (increasing the renewal fees)
President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #12-2002.
No one wished to be heard, the Public Hearing on Ord. #12-2002
Mr. Greenbaum moved for adoption and Final Passage of Ord.
#12-2002 and Mr. Perkins seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Scapicchio: Declared Ord. #12-2002 is passed on
second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a
copy of same to the Mayor and to publish the notice of adoption
as required by law.
Ord. #13-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive
Amending the Administrative Code of the Township of Mount
Olive.(Eliminating the Department of Recreation, etc. and
Establish the Division of Buildings, Grounds and Parks within
the Department of Public Works and to move the Division of
Recreation into the Department of Administration)
President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #13-2002.
No one wished to be heard, the Public Hearing on Ord. #13-2002
Mr. Perkins moved for adoption and Final Passage of Ord.
#13-2002 and Mrs. Miller seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Scapicchio: Declared Ord. #13-2002 is passed on
second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a
copy of same to the Mayor and to publish the notice of adoption
as required by law.
Ord. #14-2002 An Ordinance Establishing a Salary Range for
the Position of Supervisor of Buildings, Grounds and Parks.
President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #14-2002.
No one wished to be heard, the Public Hearing on Ord. #14-2002
Mr. Miller moved for adoption and Final Passage of Ord. #14-2002
and Mr. Spino seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Scapicchio: Declared Ord. #14-2002 is passed on
second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a
copy of same to the Mayor and to publish the notice of adoption
as required by law.
ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING
Ord. #20-2002 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the
Township of Mount Olive Ordinance Authorizing the Sale of
Block 2801, Lot 89 to Edigio Floro for $10,200. (result or
In Rem Foreclosure Action)
Mr. Spino moved that Ordinance #20-2002 be introduced and
passed on First Reading and that a meeting be held on May
14, 2002 at 7:30 pm in the Municipal Building, 204-Flanders
Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, NJ for Public Hearing and consideration
of second reading and passage of set Ordinance and that the
Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available set
Ordinance in accordance with the requirement s of the law.
Mr. Perkins seconded that motion.
President Scapicchio: Council Discussion?
Mr. Dorsey: Just so everybody realizes, this is an arrangement
that goes back over a year and a half ago. The purchaser here
owns adjourning property, we agree that if you posted all
the monies that were do on outstanding taxes we would foreclose
and then convey the property to him and the deed will convey
Mr. Dorsey (cont'd): condition that this Township owned lot
will merge with his existing land and cannot be further subdivided.
This is $10,200 more for Sherry's Budget.
Mrs. Jenkins: I have a question about that. This money is
supposed to go where. Is it supposed to go in the open space
Mr. Dorsey: It is not allocated. It's in my trust account,
it will go where over you tell me to put it.
President Scapicchio: Any other Council Discussion? Seeing
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
President Scapicchio: We have five Resolutions on the Consent
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:
Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to
be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and
will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no
separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions
except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements
that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests,
any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed
from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.
1. Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive Expressing Support
for Continued Funding for the NJ Historical Commission and
the NJ Historic Trust.
2. Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive To Amend the
Existing Deferred Compensation Plan by Changing Sections As
Per the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act
3. A Resolution Refunding First Quarter 2002 Taxes Paid on
Property at 170 Smithtown Road, Block 900, Lot 5 Due to the
Allowance of a 100% Disabled Veteran Tax Exemption.
4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizin Consent of a Treatment Works Approval
Permit Application for Woodfield at Mount Olive, Section IIB.
5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Relative to the Developer's Agreement with Vizzoni
GreenTree at Indian Springs Development.
Mr. Dorsey: Resolution No. 5, lets insert the number 25,000
that was the number I got from Gene to demolish those two
buildings. We are supposed to do it this week, we can't be
Mr.Perkins moved for approval of the Consent Resolutions
and Mr. Rattner seconded that motion.
PUBLIC PORTION ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS - NONE
President Scapicchio: Anyone from the Public wish to speak
on any of the Resolutions on the Consent Agenda? Seeing None.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
PUBLIC PORTION ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS - NONE
RESOLUTIONS NON CONSENT - NONE
COUNCIL COMMENTS ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS - NONE
1. Bill List
Mr. Rattner moved for approval of the Bill List, Mr. Perkins
seconded the motion.
President Scapicchio: Sherry, I have a question on page 10,
wiring at the Middle School, I just want to make sure that
is something we were supposed to be paying and not a mix up.
Mrs. Jenkins: If you want to take that one off, that is fine.
Mr. Rattner: I noticed the Lamppost Electric; I also looked
at some of the items we were doing. It seems some of those
things seem expensive. I won't comment on that but I did find
lamppost electric on three different pages and it seems to
exceed $20,000. Even though they are a contractor, wouldn't
that be something that we have to look at going out to bid
Mrs. Jenkins: The work is for different projects. It is electrical
work but they are working on different types of things. A
lot of the work that they do for us is done on an emergency
Mr. Rattner: Okay. I could not tell if this was an emergency,
but if we buy computers for eight different departments, we
are considered that even though it is for different departments
or different functions, that it goes under the bidding law?
President Scapicchio: I was thinking the same thing, Steve.
Maybe what we should consider doing. I would imagine that
these charges are probably based on a time and material basis,
Mrs. Jenkins: Yes they are.
President Scapicchio: I would suggest, Steve, that maybe
what we do is we bid out emergency electrical work based on
a time and material basis at some future date. Does that make
Mr. Rattner: It looked like some of these charges; obviously
more than installing a light but $2,400 at the old municipal
building obviously when we are looking at the Budget we are
looking at any big dollar items. So I was just curious on
how we go about doing that work.
President Scapicchio: Cynthia, will you make a note of that
and get back to us with the recommendations from the Administration
please? Thank you. Anyone else on the Bill List?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously (as amended).
Planning Board, Mr. Greenbaum: Planning Board met and heard
two applications. One was ISI over in the Trade Zone, they
are looking to expand their parking lot. They are part of
the Mars Corporation. There were some serious concerns with
regard to the expansion actually encroaching into the buffer
areas of the wetlands, basically the application was put on
hold until such time as the Planning Board Members can actually
do a site inspection of that facility to see exactly where
the stream is located and how far into the buffer area the
parking lots will actually encroach. The other application
which was heard on Thursday was the continuation of Shoprite.
It has moved to the point now where the objector is going
to be putting on his witnesses. It is a very interesting application
and again the major issue is a request for a 60 foot sign
variance, which I think that the Planning Board gave the applicant
the message that that variance was not going to be approved
and if his application is based upon getting that variance
that he needs to rethink his application.
Pride Committee, Ray Perkins - No report
Open Space Committee, Mrs. Miller: I just want to remind
everybody again that on Saturday from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm is
the MJAC, they are going to be talking about our water resources
and I encourage people to go to that. Last night at our Open
Space meeting one of the things that was given out was our
accomplishments for the past year. 436 acres were preserved
last year, they are working on 985 acres this Mrs. Miller
(cont'd): year. I think that is a pretty good accomplishment.
They will be bringing this to the Council with a cover letter
President Scapicchio: Would anyone from the Public like to
address the Council?
Howie Weiss, Flanders, NJ: Actually what I want to speak
to you tonight about what seems to be very appropriate being
that you had presentations for the sports programs. About
a year ago, dealing with the sports programs and it seems
like it is this time once again where it is becoming an issue.
Let me give you a back ground of what I am talking about.
Last week the Recreation Advisory Committee met to work out
a process of distributing funds from the Recreation Budget
to be given to each team. Last year at the same time I came
up and I had some numbers in front of me and I said every
year through the recreation Department is giving out somewhere
between $30,000 - $35,000, multiply that over the 10 years
or so and we are approaching $500,000 that we have given to
the sports teams. Now I am not here to argue with that because
most of you know I am very active in sports. My concern a
year ago is the same concern I have tonight which is the money
that is given out to the local teams is totally unaccounted
for last year, I think we all agreed that there was going
to be a process put in place and then again the Council said
it was more of an Administration issue, that the Recreation
Department should be monitoring the spending of the money
and I gave the example, if I am in charge of spending for
the football program which in fact I am and the Township gives
me $10,000, there is nothing to stop me from giving the $10,000
to a family member in Bloomfield and buying a football, I
think that was the example I gave. What happened was I think
the direction was given to the Supervisor, the Director of
Recreation to take care of this, unfortunately that message
was never followed through because the only thing that happened
is that he decided to take the bills, basically if you are
going to give soccer $10,000, I am making up the numbers,
he wanted to see $10,000 in invoices and then he would pay
the bill rather than issuing the check to the programs, if
I am losing anybody, let me know. I came last year and suggested
that the Council, maybe in the form of resolution, demand
that equipment is being properly bid. Now here we are into
another season a year later and I know from first hand experience
that the money that you guys have been working so hard to
save over the last couple of months is just being wasted.
I think a lot of the sports programs don't have the management
skills to handle the money and I think it should be the Councils'
responsibility to make sure the tax payers money is spent
properly; I am seeing it again first hand. I can get into
details at a different time. My point here tonight is that
there is no control over the money that is being given to
the sports programs and I would like to see some sort of actual
directive to say that if we are going to give you $10,000,
it should be spent in the same manner that the council has
to spend money. I am suggesting that you demand some kind
of bid process or accountability of the money because it is
not there and here we are a year later.
President Scapicchio: So Howie, your suggestion would be
that we require them to bid the products that they purchase.
Is that something that is not done at all, or is it done in
Mr. Weiss: I could tell you from the football program, because
I think that program has such a high expense of equipment,
it is in our best interest. We bid, actually I followed the
guidelines that at the Board of Education has because one
of the members of the Board of Education works along side
of me, so I follow more strict guidelines. I don't think there
is another sports program in town that bids equipment. I know
from football we saved about 25% by bidding. It seems to be
common sense, unfortunately it is not. The money is being
wasted. Again, I have a list of examples of one of the sports
teams that's going on right now wasted $1,500 because of a
poor investment, not spending the money properly. I sit here
listening to everyone talk about squeezing dollars here, I
am sure there is lots of programs in Town, that will love
that $1500 that was wasted by one of the sports teams. Again
there is no accountability to the Council on where or how
the money is being spent.
President Scapicchio: John, how would we go about requiring
the sports organizations to bid out at least a portion of
the money that we supplied them with?
Mr. Dorsey: It is very simple. You require them to bid it
out, if they don't bid it out, you will not give them money
for their programs. That simply becomes the string that gets
attached to your benevolence.
President Scapicchio: Is that something the Council would
like to entertain?
Mr. Greenbaum: I think it is a great idea and concept. It
creates all kinds of difficulties; I think you're really opening
Pandora's box in a way. Now you are requiring advertising
to get the bids out. You are slowing down the process. I am
not sure that you are going to ultimately achieve accountability
in the fashion that you would like to. I don't know why if
you are going to introduce a program like that it is
Mr. Greenbaum(cont'd): limited solely to the sports programs
why wouldn't it then also include the Fire Departments and
the Rescue Squads to who we give money to when they send the
money out. Do they?
Mr. Dorsey: They do Rob.
Mr. Greenbaum: They do, they bid out?
Mr. Dorsey: Well they certainly bid their major pieces.
Mr. Greenbaum: The major pieces; but I am talking about expenses
that we give which is essentially what we are asking. I understand
what Howie is saying and I would like to get accountability.
I am not sure that the bid process is the way to go. I think
that there may be another way, I just don't know what it is.
Mr. Dorsey: From my standpoint, and I think you can understand
this. There is a pretty thin line between whether or not all
of these items are essentially a municipal purchase or not.
They are really being purchased by the municipality. It is
the Municipalities money that is going into it.
Mr. Greenbaum: Then perhaps the purchases should be made
by someone in Administration rather than the programs who's
overseeing, rather than just collecting the bills. Now you
are creating another level of Bureaucracy.
Mr. Spino: To me, we are not going to get this solved this
evening. I would think that this would be something not just
on another workshop, maybe a committee of three with some
people from the recreation committee and someone from the
administration to review it and to get Johns input on being
able to do it, how it would be done indeed if it would really
work, or there is another method of doing this. Maybe what
Mr. Weiss said in the beginning would be the way to go. Group
X, $10,000 if the bills come into the Municipality or that
the Municipality bid for those things and then pay for them.
I don't know. Like I said, I don't think it is going to be
done this evening. I would suggest that is what we do. So
the people who would want to be on the committee will have
knowledge and some people will have knowledge of the sports
and what they use, and somebody from the Administration be
involved with setting up maybe one or two proposals that we
can look it.
Mr. Dorsey: Howie, how much equipment does your football
program buy in the course of the year dollar wise?
Mr. Weiss: We spend a lot. I would say last year we spent
$18,000. We did not buy helmets last year. The year we bought
helmets, add another $10,000. So, it's a lot of money. We
don't have nearly the number of kids that the other sports
have, but again the other sports don't have our expense. Earl
you made a comment which is interesting, I think the advantage
that you have is that the Municipality has to follow certain
guidelines for certain rules that I don't think the football
program has too. I could go out to five different sporting
goods and price a football.
Mr. Spino: I am not saying that my suggestion is the one
to go with. I think a committee should be set up, have two
or three proposals looked at and then we can make a decision
from there . I know you brought it up and I think most of
us assume that was what was going to be done, that what was
proposed last year was going to be followed, of course we
have retirement in that area, so it got probably more difficult
to do, but that is what I would suggest.
Mr. Weiss: Did I make it clear what happened, what the process
was. It was basically you submit the bills to me and I will
pay it for you. That did not accomplish anything.
Mr. Dorsey: Howie, you do understand it is a thin line as
to who is purchasing.
Mr. Weiss: We could almost make that thin line a positive
in our favor. I am just a little disappointed because
Mr. Dorsey: It also is what justifies your point.
Mr. Weiss: I guess I would not come up here and speak if
I did not see it first hand. I don't see the waste of money
first hand and I am a little bit frustrated that I cannot
personally do anything about it, but maybe leadership from
the Council can fix it and I am willing to help with a committee
to get that fixed.
President Scapicchio: We will get this on a workshop agenda
and we will figure out how we want to proceed to address it.
Bob Elms, Budd Lake, NJ: I think you are trying to make this
more difficult and more cumbersome than you need to do. If
they are giving money to spend for equipment there is no reason
why they can't be required to do three quotes and get it that
way. If you go into the Municipal Bidding Process that is
going to slow it down and make it cost more. Even with our
Boy Scout Troop, if we have expenditures over $1,000, we go
out for quotes. It is just good fiscal practice. Thank you.
Rich Bonte, Budd Lake, NJ: I remember when Howie got up and
brought this issue up a year ago and I think I got up after
him and said basically some of you have said on the Council
tonight. First, this should be done. There needs to be controls
on any money we give to anybody. From my perspective we shouldn't
be donating these monies to any organization is Town, whether
it be sports, fire, rescue, whatever, without accountability,
when we say that we earmark funds for these organizations,
that is fine. The money should not actually be given to them
to spend how they see fit. During the course of the year,
if they have a budget with monies that the Council has earmarked
for them. You need to come back to the Council and say, this
is what we intend to do with this money, we have have gone
out, show that quotes have been done properly and that the
best deal for the Township is being done. It is not a cart
blanche giveaway. It is for all of us. So when you have your
workshop, I would like to urge you to open this to not only
just the sports clubs. It should be every organization, in
Town no matter who it is and receives money and is not accountable
for that money. The ultimate accountability should be here
because your job is to protect us. Thank you.
Toni Ayers, 203 Sandshore Road, Budd Lake, NJ: First of all,
I am so thrilled with the kids from the school with their
garden and you people kind of threw a little wet blanket on
them. It is very simple. You know the school parking lot could
be put to use because of the time the garden is going to be
in use, the school won't be and vice versa. Those poor kids,
anyhow. The other thing I want to address, on April 1, 2002
Daily Record Zenaida Melendez wrote a rather lengthy article
about this Safety Town that St. Claires has proposed. I said
before the night they proposed it that I was against it and
I am still against it. I don't think we need it. A prime example,
little Dylan tonight. His mom taught him how to dial 911.
He did not need to go to Safety Town to learn that. I just
feel that the way the article was written, it almost sounds
like a done deal, and I sure hope it is not. The property
of Greystone Park, if they want to come into the community,
do it up there. This is going to create traffic problems because
they are proposing busloads of children coming in from places
other than our Town. From the whole, this would be the only
Safety Town in the Northwestern part of the State. We don't
need anymore headaches, we have enough headaches without.
So what is the status of this as far as the Council is concerned?
Have you given anymore thoughts to it pro or con?
President Scapicchio: Toni, I don't recall that article but
I believe the Council at least in concept endorsed the idea
and with the Administration we encouraged them to do their
feasibility study to determine whether or not the piece of
property that the Mayor had in mind was appropriate for this
use. They are asking the Township to make absolutely no financial
commitment at all.
Mrs. Ayers: I don't trust that for a minute. I just feel
they are not doing this for the love of Mt. Olive.
President Scapicchio: All I can tell you is what they represented
to us. The Council felt there were some benefits to the program.
Mrs. Ayers: I honestly don't see the benefits. The other
offending thing was they had a high percentage or however
they stated it of emergency room admissions of children from
the Budd Lake area. Now they did not expand on that, how that
came about, but I feel that the schools and the Police department
are doing a fantastic job in teaching the children in town
how to be safe. I do not feel we need this extra thing in
Mount Olive. We have enough things going, cluttering up the
beautiful landscape that brought me to Mt. Olive 30 years
ago in the first place. I don't think we need Safety Town
with buses coming in from wherever they would be coming in
from. We don't need it. That's it as far as Safety Town. That
is how I feel. I have a question for the Mayor.
Mayor Licitra: I might even have an answer for you Toni.
Mrs. Ayers: I read the article in the April 4, 2002 Chronicle.
Your search committee, your wife and best friend and Mr. Spangler?
I know that is his profession, he works in human services.
Mayor Licitra: Nick is a good friend, but he admitted to
tell that there is 90 years experience over there on the same
search committee that has been making most of my hires. I
know the Chronicle looks for Mayor Licitra (cont'd): every
angle to make this Administration look bad, but they omit
certain key figures that we have gotten this search committee
at no expense to the tax payer. You mean to tell me that because
a person is my friend they are not qualified to be on a search
Mrs. Ayers: No, not that they are not qualified, but their
appearances. Appearances go a long way.
Mayor Licitra: What would you want me to do? Because the
person is my friend. Toni, I know 90% of the people in this
Mrs. Ayers: And your own wife?
Mayor Licitra: My wife has twenty years experience in hiring
people. They bring me a myriad of people that I select from.
Mrs. Ayers: I question the wisdom of it.
Mayor Licitra: I had no problem with it and it has served
Mrs. Ayers: Well it jumped out at me when I read the article.
Mayor Licitra: Because you read what you want to read..
Mrs. Ayers: No. I read what was printed. On a search committee
you can advertise whatever.
Mayor Licitra: You're just screaming about spending money.
How would you like me to spend $25,000 - $50,000 to try to
find a Business Administrator. Would you like that?
Mrs. Ayer: No. You have Mr. Spangler.
Mayor Licitra: Mr. Spangler is not my friend?
Mrs. Ayers: I don't know if he is your friend or not but
I do know that he is qualified in that area where it did not
give the qualifications of the other people. I don' know that
because it was not stated.
Mayor Licitra: I wonder why Phil Garber did not put that
in his article.
Mrs. Ayers: I don't know. The other thing, on your water
conservation thing. You left out the most important conserver
of water and that is trees, which you know very well all of
the trees that have been cut down. There is no good reason
except for soccer parks.
President Scapicchio: Thank you Toni. Anyone else from the
public? Seeing none, we will close the portion. Council comments?
Mr. Rattner: This calendar that the Town put out that I did
not think anybody reads. I was very wrong. I got two calls
over the weekend. On here I guess it was listed you planned
on starting big item pickup on the 8th. I got two calls wanting
to know why they have not seen the schedule because they did
not want to miss it.
Mayor Licitra: I was waiting for the budget to be passed.
The budget as you know is a little late.
Mr. Rattner: But anyway, that's No. 1. I don't know, there
is a telephone number. The extension I believe is 361 should
start getting calls, but I did get two because people were
worried, they liked it from last year. The other, and this
is for a follow up by the Administrator; a couple people around
Earl's area, I got a complaint. First, the dead end where
Flanders - Netcong Road was terminated, some hunters or something
moved some of the rocks by the gate so they could drive through,
so now that they made it a through street again, they have
told me that they piled some garbage up that they found lying
around and did not clean up the garbage, but just see if you
could have the Road Department put the rocks back. Some of
them were large, so some one brought some equipment in, or
had enough people. The other is on the same street I was told
that there are a number of trucks that come in late at night
very very early in the morning violation our noise ordinance
for the nursery on the street and asked that we could follow
up on that and see if we could get some enforcement and at
least warn them that the trucks are covered under our noise
ordinance and they are required to come in at only certain
times during the day. One other thing., this did come up and
it has to do with the Chronicle on the forth, and it had to
do with some comments about me and some other Council members
about our new Business Administrator. I have no quams with
Mr. Rattner (cont'd): anything that was said in there, but
I am excited about the new business Administrator. I can't
wait until she puts some of her skills to work. As far as
I am concerned, I think I share the views of the rest of the
Council, but they can speak for themselves, that I am very
happy with the new addition of Ms. Spencer, and hope that
she is successful and any help that I can provide her I will,
but if she talk to some of the other department heads, I will
tell her that I have an opinion about everything so she'll
probably stay away. That is all I wanted to say since it was
in the paper publicly about less than a warm response, that
I am very excited about having a Ms. Spencer as our Business
Mr. Greenbaum: Several quick comments. With regard to the
accountability issue that Howie raised, I think it is definitely
something we should tackle. Perhaps as Mr. Elms said there
is an easy solution. So I hope that it's an easy solution
and that it works. I just wanted to address briefly some of
the comments made by Toni. With regard to Safety Town, I am
not sure that I agree with your characterization, Dave, as
to what had occurred here. It was presented and left in my
mind that if they were interested in the property I would
consider it further. I am not sure that in my mind I have
come to any conclusion as to whether or not it is appropriate
for Mt. Olive or whether I would support it. With regard to
the issue about the search committee, I have no problem with
Paul's choice of who he is going to use to find qualified
candidates for his Administration. In fact, I would praise
all three of the individuals as people who have worked in
a dedicated fashion on behalf of this Township for many many
many years and have never, in fact, I think I like Norma better
than I like Paul. The article in the Chronicle with regard
to the Business Administrator, I was troubled when I read
the paper. I was really troubled. I did not understand it.
It did not mention me. It had nothing to do with me, but I
sat there and I read the paper and said this has really gone
to far as far as the chronicle is concerned. I suggested and
I would like to discuss at a workshop whether or not the Chronicle
actually serves the needs of Mt. Olive or whether or not there
is a better alternative in term of informing the residents
of Mt. Olive as to what is going on. Where our advertising
dollar should be spent and I would ask that be put on a workshop.
President Scapicchio: Thanks Rob.
Mr. Perkins: I won't go quite that strong, I think the Mayor
is entitled to hire as he sees fit with advice and consent
that the Council approves. I approve the new Business Administrator.
If the Mayor felt she is qualified, I have seen her resume,
I feel she is qualified. That is enough on that situation.
it was gratifying to see Chief Katona making the award to
Dylan. It brought a tear to my eye. I am assuming that of
most of the people in the audience, I have a 13 year old son
going on 14 years old. I somehow feel if I was laying on the
ground, he would not be there, he would be skate boarding.
It is nice to see young children that really do have that
responsibility and awareness of safety. The environmental
community garden, I personally think it is a great idea, however
disastrous for any of those children five, eight or ten years
down the road to have a subsequent Administration or Council
turn around and say well we'll need this for something different.
The only thing that would come to mind would be another piece
of impervious coverage which I would personally not be in
favor of. Lastly, would be the certificate of achievement
award that were given out to two sets of young adults this
evening and again that just fosters a sense of pride. If you
are one of the proud parents, or if you are one of the fortunate
ones to come up here, I could tell you as a parent of one
I know my chest goes out and those kids really appreciate
that recognition. For all you guys out in the audience that
stand and applaud and go through that for as boring as it
may be for some of you that don't have children involved,
those children really appreciate your support and I just want
to thank the audience for indulging and show them their support
for those children. Thanks.
Mr. Spino: I just want to say one thing about the Mayor's
Committee. I have no problem with the people that are on it.
I think if you know them, you know that they are all experienced
in that field. Anyone who knows Norma especially knows that
she is not afraid to ask any questions that comes to her mind
to anyone. I have no problem in supporting that committee
Mr. Guenther: I was to too busy this week to read the Chronicle,
so I have no comments.
President Scapicchio: And I have no comments.
Motion made for adjournment. All in favor, none opposed. The
Meeting was Adjourned at 9:00 pm.
I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount
Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true
and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened
meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on July
LISA M. LASHWAY
Mount Olive Township Clerk