COUNCIL PUBLIC MEETING MINUTES - October
The Regular Public Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council
President Perkins with the Pledge of Allegiance.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE & MOMENT OF REFLECTION for all those who
have and continue to protect our freedoms and our way of life.
OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT ANNOUNCEMENT
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of this
meeting has been given to the Mount Olive Chronicle. Notice has
been posted at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown
Road, Mount Olive Township, New Jersey and notices were sent
to those requesting the same.
Present: Mr. Roman, Mr. Tobey (left at 9:58pm), Mrs. Labow, Mr.
Tepper, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Perkins
Absent: Mr. Rattner
Also Present: Mayor David Scapicchio (left at 10:05pm); Sherry
Maniscalco, CFO; Fred Semrau, Township Attorney; Lisa Lashway,
Township Clerk; Bill Sohl, Business Administrator
Questions on Bill List?
President Perkins: That takes us to questions on the Bill List.
Anybody have any questions on the Bill List? Mr. Russell? Nothing?
Mrs. Labow: I have questions on the Bill List. First of all, I
know Steve sent some questions. Were they answered? Were they taken
Mrs. Lashway: No, I only copied you and Ray.
President Perkins: No, you’ve got to read them in.
Mr. Russell: Ray, I do have a question.
Mrs. Maniscalco: We never got Steve’s questions.
Mrs. Lashway: He e-mailed that to me after hours.
President Perkins: Do you have the paper, Colleen?
Mrs. Labow: Yes, I’m looking for his…
Mrs. Maniscalco: Were there a lot?
Mrs. Lashway: No there’s just…
Mr. Greenbaum: Forty-three. Forty-three questions.
Mrs. Labow: Okay, Steve’s questions…
Mrs. Lashway: On the Bill List.
President Perkins: On the Bill List, you’ve got a number
of construction permit refunds due to computer malfunction. What
was the computer malfunction and how was it discovered? Second,
since the error was discovered prior to August 14th and the total
is approximately $30,000, was this reflected in the budget review
presented in September?
Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, it was in the budget review because we did
know about it. Bill, do you know specifically what the computer
error was from?
Mr. Sohl: In terms of which…
Mrs. Maniscalco: I know the, remember the construction refunds
we had to make? There was a glitch in the computer system. I believe
one of the percentages that was in their system…
Mr. Sohl: They had to make an adjustment to it.
Mrs. Maniscalco: They discovered that it was wrong, I guess, and
during one of their reviews they noticed it was too high. They
realized that there were a number of permits that were over billed
that they then in turn had to refund.
President Perkins: Okay.
Mrs. Maniscalco: Why that percentage was where it was, I don’t
know. I just know that Gary discovered it was a problem and, you
know, as I said the money had to be refunded but, yes, it was in
my budget projection.
President Perkins: Okay, that was it? That was it? What’s
the chance? Alex?
Mr. Roman: On page four, we have a Mendham Garden Center. Is that
stuff that cannot be purchased by any entity within the Township?
Mr. Tepper: May be the best price.
Mrs. Maniscalco: It’s street and roads is where it’s
charged to, I believe.
Mr. Roman: I just want to make all effort that if there is an
in Town business that does offer the same, you know, items and
that we at least try to get them.
Mrs. Maniscalco: You want to use a local vendor is what you’re
Mr. Roman: Yes, I mean if Tractor Supply in Flanders has it, and
it’s two cents more I would like the Administration to at
least go that route, especially if it’s an inconsequential
Mr. Sohl: How much was it for?
Mrs. Maniscalco: $872.00. I know Tim does try to…
President Perkins: I’m not sure that you can go with it
if it’s not the lowest bid.
Mr. Sohl: I know we usually try our best to use local entities.
Mr. Roman: Okay, I just want to reaffirm.
President Perkins: Mr. Tepper?
Mr. Tepper: Same question I think I asked last year. On page 12,
we pay for Police physicals. Are we trying to recover that from
their medical? They all have medical. We pay a lot of money for
medical benefits. Why aren’t we billing their medical?
Mrs. Maniscalco: Isn’t the issue with that, and forgive
me if I’m wrong, but I thought the issue with that was that
because we want the test results, that we’re paying for the
physicals because the test results… If we’re paying
it then we’re entitled to get the results, whereas if they
go on their own then the test results are technically theirs, I
Mr. Tepper: If you mandate a physical, easy example, my son is
mandated by the High School to have a physical. If I choose to
have it done by my doctor or their doctor…
Mr. Roman: You still have to bring the results to the School.
Mr. Tepper: You still have to bring the results and I hand my
Mrs. Maniscalco: That’s always been the rationale they’ve
used when they’ve come, I know.
Mr. Tepper: I just don’t understand since we pay medical,
why don’t we submit the bill to their carrier.
Mayor Scapicchio: We can find that out. We’ll ask the question.
Mr. Tepper: I’m just curious. I mean, maybe it gets us back
a couple grand.
Mr. Sohl: The reality is we do all the physicals at one time.
Mr. Tepper: I understand that, Bill, but if we can bill it to
the vendor that we’re paying medical for, and they’ll
pay it, we should do so.
Mayor Scapicchio: We’ll find out, Russ.
Mr. Sohl: We’ll find…
Mr. Tepper: Thank you.
Mrs. Maniscalco: I know we looked into that before, so we’ll
Mr. Tepper: …legal thing about who owned the results, but
it’s like, a medical is a medical.
Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, exactly. Okay.
Mrs. Labow: Sherry, on page 3, Scarcinci and Hollenbeck, Foote
vs. Mount Olive, $4,294.00. What is…?
Mr. Sohl: That’s our labor attorney.
Mrs. Maniscalco: That’s coming from, we had money that we
had gotten from the JIF. I believe it was like $25,000 that we
put in escrow, and we’re drawing down against that, Colleen,
as we get the bills.
Mrs. Labow: Oh, that’s why the question was…
Mr. Sohl: Those are ongoing…
Mrs. Maniscalco: It’s not Township money. This is coming
out of the escrow account.
Mr. Tepper: It’s not ours.
Mr. Sohl: In fact, Mr. Perkins and I will be at bat tomorrow.
Mrs. Labow: That was my question. So I’m thinking if we
got that other thing, are we paying, okay…
Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, it’s coming out of escrow.
Mr. Tepper: On that one?
Mr. Sohl: Go figure.
Mrs. Labow: I also had that same question about the program fees.
The other thing I wanted to know, well, you already answered that.
I have another question here.
Mr. Tepper: Can we recover our…
Mrs. Labow: For the, on page 13, for a scholarship for $500, is
that something that you and Jack give?
Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, Jack and I, we spoke to John Dorsey when
we first set it up because we wanted to make sure he didn’t
have a problem with this putting the money back. Jack and I cut
$250 each, we put it back in the budget and then we cut the check
for the Township. He said that was fine.
Mrs. Labow: Then you cut, that’s what I thought. I just
wanted to make sure that was what that was. The other thing, and
this is probably a question more for Tim Quinn, I see that also
on page 13 we spent $6,400 for tree and stump removal. Now, we
don’t, I don’t know if this was stump grinding or anything
like that, and I know…
Mr. Sohl: We use a tree service to do a lot of our work.
Mr. Tepper: That widget’s expensive.
Mrs. Labow: The grinder is?
Mr. Tepper: It’s probably about $40,000.
Mrs. Labow: Okay, that was my question, would it be…?
Mrs. Maniscalco: We do, they are in State contract too. They are
a State member.
Mrs. Labow: Okay, that’s what I wanted to know. Then I also
saw on page 14, a toolbox for the back of a truck, $249.
Mr. Roman: That’s cheap.
President Perkins: Cheap.
Mrs. Maniscalco: Oh, toolbox, okay.
Mrs. Labow: Is that toolbox for one of the replacement trucks
and they didn’t have a toolbox?
Mr. Sohl: I believe that’s correct.
Mrs. Labow: The replacement truck, the old truck didn’t
have a toolbox?
Mr. Roman: It wouldn’t fit. If it’s a newer truck
it would be a totally different bed size and all that and you couldn’t
put the new toolbox.
Mr. Sohl: Correct.
Mr. Roman: It’s probably cheaper to buy and install it than…
Mrs. Labow: Take it apart and try to…
Mr. Roman: No, then order with one already from the factory.
Mrs. Labow: Oh, because the factory would charge more money. That’s
good to know.
Mr. Roman: It would charge significantly more.
Mrs. Labow: And then I wanted to know, Wyndham Point sewer system,
when we took over that sewer system I thought, it was my understanding
that there’s 96 houses on there, and 96 septic systems were
all going to be emptied, and that we were only going to do 30%
each year. I see in here that there’s $15,253 for Russell
Reid waste removal, septic waste removal. I understand from a conversation
I had with Steve Rattner this afternoon that was for 50-some houses.
I thought we were going to be doing…
Mrs. Maniscalco: We were supposed to do it in phases. I’ll
talk to Tim and find out. I’m thinking maybe he…
Mr. Sohl: Are you talking about water meters?
Mrs. Maniscalco: No, the removal.
Mrs. Labow: No, the sewer system at Wyndham Pointe is very specific,
and we were supposed to be on a schedule that a third would be
emptied out every year, but they emptied out more than a third.
Mrs. Maniscalco: I’ll find out, Colleen. You’re right.
It was a third. I’ll find out from him. I’m sure Tim
has an explanation.
Mrs. Labow: Okay, great, because I wanted to know about that,
and then the grinder pump also on page 20, $11,000. Is this the
same, is this the one where we keep the grinder pumps handy and
if they go we replace one.
Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, this is coming out of capital outlay. These
are actually new ones that we’re purchasing. If they were
replacements they would wind up, you know, they’re new.
Mrs. Labow: They’re brand new ones?
Mrs. Maniscalco: Brand new ones. That’s the only thing that
can come out of capital outlay. If we’re refurbishing then
that has to come out of operating because that’s like a maintenance
Mrs. Labow: Okay, because would this, is this for the Budd Lake
sewer system, I believe?
Mr. Sohl: That’s the only one we use.
President Perkins: Don’t know.
Mrs. Labow: …we use them for, so we’re at the point
where some of the grinder pumps have to be replaced then is what
Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, definitely. That I know for sure.
President Perkins: Oh, yes, they replaced mine.
Mrs. Labow: Oh, did they?
President Perkins: Last year.
Mrs. Labow: I thought that they pulled them out and then they’ll
fix them if they can.
President Perkins: Well, yes, if they can but if not, they’re
going to have to buy new ones.
Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, if you noticed, we’ve had a lot of
repair/rebuild expenses on the Bill List to date, but these are
Mrs. Labow: Okay, so it got to the point where repair and rebuild
was more costly than replacement.
Mrs. Maniscalco: If we can, as Ray said.
Mr. Tepper: Wouldn’t you have to put a new one in, in order
to take one out to then repair it?
Mrs. Labow: That’s my understanding. They put one in and
then they take the other one out and repair it but they keep a
spare. They have four or five spares to interchange, exchange back
Mr. Tepper: Just bought a new spare.
President Perkins: You’d have to just in case your house…
Mrs. Labow: I don’t have a grinder pump.
President Perkins: Well, somebody who does, if their house went
and they didn’t have another one on standby, now you have
the health issue because they can’t flush the toilets.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, this is true.
Mrs. Maniscalco: Were those Steve’s too, Colleen?
President Perkins: So you have to have some on standby.
Mrs. Maniscalco: Were those Steve’s questions too?
Mr. Tepper: Not a problem. My wife goes to Marriot.
Mrs. Labow: No, he already, Steve’s question was about the
computer error in the Building department.
Mrs. Maniscalco: Oh, the computer. So other than that he’s
President Perkins: Yes, so far. That was pretty good, right?
Mrs. Maniscalco: Okay, I just want to, I figure let me address
it if we can now.
President Perkins: It was only one page.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, and then the other ones were my questions.
Mrs. Maniscalco: I mean, we can get more specific on exactly why.
I don’t know exactly why it happened, though.
President Perkins: It would be nice to know.
Mrs. Maniscalco: If he’s looking for that maybe we’ll
have Gary send something out.
President Perkins: Yes, just have him shoot out a memo of what
Mrs. Labow: Yes, he did want to have specifics on that.
President Perkins: Alright, any other questions on the Bill List?
Mrs. Labow: No, I’m done.
President Perkins: Thank god.
Mrs. Labow: Thank god.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS
President Perkins: Approval of Previous Minutes, Mrs. Labow.
Mrs. Labow: Approval of Previous, okay, here we go.
Mr. Tepper: We’re on the Agenda now.
Mrs. Labow: Now we’re back on the Agenda. I move to approve:
September 30, 2008 WS, CS & PM – all present
Mr. Roman: Second.
President Perkins: Council comments, questions, corrections? Seeing
none, Roll Call.
ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously
LETTERS FROM RESIDENTS/ORGANIZATIONS
1. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from the National League
of Cities regarding Thomas L. Friedman to Speak at 2008 Congress
of Cities. PDF Correspondence
2. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from NJ 211 regarding Welcome
back Laura Marx, Spotlighted on Government Home Pages as the Place
to Turn for Information, and System Enables Call Centers in California
to Help Hurricane Survivors on the Gulf Coast. PDF Correspondence
3. Letter received October 1, 2008, from Jersey Professional Management
regarding a Shared Services Report. PDF Correspondence
4. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the 2009 Green cities
Conference regarding Registration Open for 2008 NLC Green Cities
Conference. PDF Correspondence
5. E-mail received October 7, 2008, from Mark Zakutansky regarding
the Highlands Council Initial Assessment Grant and Water Quality
Management Rules. PDF Correspondence
6. E-mail received October 7, 2008, from ICSC Alliance Program
regarding a Last Call for New Jersey Alliance Program in New Brunswick
on October 17th. PDF Correspondence
RESOLUTIONS / ORDINANCES / CORRESPONDENCE OTHER TOWNS
7. Letter received October 10, 2008, from the Township of Byram
regarding Land Use Ordinances. PDF Correspondence
DOT / DEP / LOI / HIGHLANDS
8. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from Mark Zakutansky regarding
the Highlands Regional Master Plan. PDF Correspondence
9. Letter received October 1, 2008, from the State of New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection regarding the Fox Chase
Subdivision – Gen III Builders. PDF Correspondence
10. Notice to Neighboring Landowners received October 1, 2008,
from New York SMSA Limited Partnership d/b/a Verizon Wireless regarding
a Highland Preservation Area Approval. PDF Correspondence
11. Letter received October 2, 2008, from E2PM regarding a Notification
of NJDEP Highlands Application Preservation Area Approval (HPAA)
for New York SMSA Limited Partnership d/b/a Verizon Wireless, 650
Bartley Chester Road, Flanders. PDF Correspondence
12. Letter received October 3, 2008, from Ecol Sciences, Inc.
regarding an Application for a Letter of Interpretation: Line Verification
for Block 103 Lot 2.04 (400 International Drive). PDF Correspondence
13. Letter received October 4, 2008, from the State of New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection regarding a denial of the
Musconetcong Sewerage Authority Wastewater Management Plan Proposed
Amendment to the Upper Delaware, Sussex and Upper Raritan. PDF
14. Letter received October 6, 2008, from Ecol Sciences, Inc.
regarding an Application for a Statewide General permit Number
2 for Block 107, Lot 3 (850 Clark Drive). PDF Correspondence
15. Letter received October 6, 2008, from the State of New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection regarding a Preliminary
and Final Site Plan for Block 8301 Lots 11 & 12 (484 Route
46). PDF Correspondence
16. Letter received October 8, 2008, from the State of New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection regarding the Patricia Falgiano
Property, 9 Old Budd Lake Road. PDF Correspondence
17. Letter received October 9, 2008, from the State of New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection regarding 3 Kerry Place.
18. Letter received October 2, 2008, from the Musconetcong Sewerage
Authority regarding Allocation for participating municipalities
in the 4.31 MGD Water Pollution Control Plant. PDF Correspondence
19. Letter received October 3, 2008, from the Musconetcong Sewerage
Authority regarding their September 3 Regular Meeting. PDF Correspondence
20. Letter received October 3, 2008, from the Morris County Municipal
Utilities Authority regarding the Recycling Awards Dinner. PDF
21. Letter received October 6, 2008, from the County of Morris,
Department of Senior, Disability & Veterans Services, Division
on Aging, Disabilities & Veterans regarding October & November
2008 Calendar of Events. PDF Correspondence
22. Letter received October 9, 2008, from the Morris County League
of Municipalities regarding a reservation for the upcoming program
with Matt Higgins, V.P. of JETS. PDF Correspondence
23. Letter received October 7, 2008, from the State of New Jersey
Office of the Attorney General, Department of law and Public Safety,
Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control regarding Clover May, Inc.
t/a Village Bar and Liquors. PDF Correspondence
LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES
24. E-mail received September 26, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding a Public Health Issue. PDF Correspondence
25. E-mail received September 26, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding 2008 Conference Resolutions.
26. E-mail received September 29, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding a Media Advisory and A-2731
Expedited Traffic Signs Approvals. PDF Correspondence
27. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding Tri State Transportation Campaign
and One Region Funders’ Group – NEW Community Assistance
TOD Grant Program. PDF Correspondence
28. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding Important Conference Sessions – Economic
(Re)Development. PDF Correspondence
29. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding A-1158 Wrongful Death, October
Grant Page Posted, Urgent Alert – New Jersey Joins the National
League of Cities to Urge Compromise on Financial Crisis, and Federal
Update for Period Ending September 30, 2008. PDF Correspondence
30. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding a COAH Update. PDF Correspondence
31. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding a Corrected Copy of the COAH
Update. PDF Correspondence
32. E-mail received October 4, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding League Op-Ed on Municipal Response
to Financial Market Crisis, and Important Conference Session – Interlocal
Cooperation. PDF Correspondence
33. E-mail received October 7, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding WWII Memorial Dedication Initiation.
34. E-mail received October 7, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding the 11th Annual Elected Officials
Hall of Fame. PDF Correspondence
35. E-mail received October 8, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding the 25th anniversary of DARM
with their 2nd Annual Awards Program.
36. E-mail received October 8, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding the Seminar, “We like
Paris in All Seasons! NJ’s Local Government Grants Program
Restored to Full Funding in FY 2009 Budget.” PDF Correspondence
37. E-mail received October 8, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding COAH Challenge Update; Motion
for Stay. PDF Correspondence
38. E-mail received October 9, 2008, from the New Jersey State
League of Municipalities regarding Important Conference Sessions – Communications.
LETTERS FROM LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVES
39. E-mail received September 26, 2008, from Congressman Rodney
Frelinghuysen regarding Stabilizing Our Economy, Mental Health
Parity Legislation Passes, House Leadership Fails Appropriations
Process, Frelinghuysen Given Friend of History Award, Speaks at
Hanover Veterans memorial Dedication, Receives Small Business Award,
Spread the e-News. PDF Correspondence
40. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from Congressman Rodney
Frelinghuysen regarding a statement on his Opposition to the Bailout.
41. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from Congressman Rodney
Frelinghuysen regarding a statement on Emergency Economic Stabilization.
42. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen
regarding a statement on the Economic Rescue Plan. PDF Correspondence
43. E-mail received October 3, 2008, from Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen
regarding Support of the Improved Financial Rescue Package. PDF
44. Letter received October 9, 2008, from Jersey Central Power & Light
regarding Proposed New Demand Response Programs. PDF Correspondence
45. Letter received October 10, 2008, from Comcast regarding Channel
Change. PDF Correspondence
46. E-mail received October 9, 2008, from the Department of Community
Affairs regarding Women’s History Month and Nominations for
the 2009 Connie Woodruff & Wynona M. Lipman Awards. PDF Correspondence
47. E-mail received October 9, 2008, from the Department of Community
Affairs regarding the Workshop, “Financing Tools for Redevelopment:
RADs, RABs, PILOTs and More.” PDF Correspondence
ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING
President Perkins: For the record I’d like to note that
Vice President Tobey had to leave early, so he will not be in attendance
for the rest of the meeting. We have 47 pieces of Correspondence
on the Agenda. Does any Councilmember wish to discuss any piece
of Correspondence? Seeing none, we’ll move from Correspondence
to Ordinances for Public Hearing. I open the hearing to the public
on Ord. #50-2008, entitled:
Ord. #50-2008 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive to Amend
and Supplement Chapter 196 Entitled “Sewers and Water,” Article
XI, Entitled “Fees,” Section 196-67 Entitled “Exemptions
for Entities Supported by the Public or Government,” of the
Code of the Township of Mount Olive. PDF Ordinance
President Perkins: Does anyone from the public wish to be heard
on that ordinance? Mr. Russell, name and address for the record,
Nelson Russell, Budd Lake: When we put the sewers in Budd Lake,
there’s a fee for usage and there’s also a bond ordinance
that we’re paying…
Mrs. Labow: Connection, yes.
Mr. Russell: ...over 20 years at 3.75% or something for the actual
Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, it was an assessment for the connection.
Mr. Russell: Assessment.
Mrs. Maniscalco: Exactly, and then there’s the quarterly
Mr. Russell: Is the School paying the assessment or did they pay
it all up front?
Mrs. Maniscalco: They paid it up front.
Mr. Russell: Okay, thank you.
President Perkins: Anyone else from the public? Seeing none, I’ll
close it to the public. Mr. Rattner’s not here so, Mr. Roman,
would you move that, please?
Mr. Roman: I move for adoption and final passage of Ord. #50-2008.
Mrs. Labow: Second.
President Perkins: Second, thank you. Council discussion?
Mrs. Labow: I want to say one thing and Sherry can confirm possibly.
I had a conversation with Mr. Rattner today about that issue, the
question you asked, Mr. Russell, and he had said that we actually
took out the bond for the School for their sewer for that part
of the connection at a lower rate than what they could have gotten.
Mrs. Maniscalco: We do. If you actually look at our sewer budget
you’ll see we have a revenue line called “reimbursement
from Schools,” and what that is, is to offset the debt service
that we did take out for them relative to the whole wastewater
project. They are actually going to be done with that not too much
longer. I think it’s like four or five years and we’re
done, but yes, we did take it out for them and they do pay us back
Mr. Russell: Is that a 15 or a 20 year payback?
Mrs. Maniscalco: You know, I don’t, I think it was like
15. I believe it was a 15.
Mr. Sohl: I think…
Mrs. Labow: And it saved them 2%, I believe, you know, what Mr.
Rattner and I were speaking about today. So we helped them out
in that respect.
Mr. Russell: [From the audience]
Mrs. Lashway: Can’t talk from the audience.
President Perkins: Can’t talk to you from there. Can’t
hear you there.
Mr. Greenbaum: I’m going to have to do an OPRA request to
find out the substance of the conversations that are occurring
between Mr. Rattner and Mrs. Labow.
Mrs. Labow: It was on the telephone.
Mr. Tepper: Seems to be a lot.
President Perkins: Wiretap.
Mrs. Labow: Oh, wiretap.
President Perkins: Any other Council discussions? Call the Roll,
ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously
ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING (2nd reading – October 28,
President Perkins: That takes us to Ordinances for First Reading
with a second reading scheduled for October 28, 2008. The next
item on the Agenda is Ord. 48-2008, entitled:
Ord. #48-2008 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive to Amend
and Supplement Chapter 400 Entitled “Land Use,” Relative
to Docks, Piers and Boathouses” of the Code of the Township
of Mount Olive. PDF Ordinance
President Perkins: Mr. Tepper, would you move that, please?
Mr. Tepper: Yes, Mr. President. I move that Ord. #48-2008 be introduced
by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held
on October 28th, 2008 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building, 204
Flanders-Drakestown Road, Budd Lake, New Jersey for a public hearing,
consideration of second reading, and passage of Mr. Tepper (cont’d):
said Ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post
and make available said Ordinance in accordance with the requirements
of the law.
President Perkins: Do I have a second?
Mr. Greenbaum: Second.
President Perkins: Thank you. Council discussion?
Mrs. Labow: Does this change anything from our last discussion
from the last Workshop?
President Perkins: My reading of it is the same as the last Workshop.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, I didn’t see anything…
President Perkins: The fee was removed.
Mrs. Labow: The fee was removed.
President Perkins: So they’ll still take out, the zoning
permit will still be there. New applicants will still pay for their
$250 or whatever fee it is for the pier that comes off of the bulkheads.
Other than that, everybody is grandfathered as of the date of the
ordinance. If they’ve already had a dock that’s out
there, they’re grandfathered in.
Mrs. Labow: We went through the commercial vehicle ordinance,
there was a time when there was X amount of people who were told
they were grandfathered and there was never a list, or we couldn’t,
I guess Lisa, did Jessica finally find the list?
Mr. Tepper: Excuse me, Planning people went out, Catherine and
Frank Wilpert, Jr. went out and took pictures of every dock that
exists right now, so as to establish that inventory as a result
of our discussions on this at our last meeting.
Mrs. Labow: So what I would like, I understand that they did that
because I talked to Catherine, but what I want to know is can we
have that list incorporated with this ordinance so it’s part,
if it is ultimately approved so we don’t have to search years
Mrs. Lashway: Well, it’s not a list. I haven’t seen
it yet but it’s not a list as you would expect, because they
took pictures and marked where docks are. I don’t think they
necessarily know the ownership of them.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, they did. Catherine told me that when they took
pictures of the docks she would say what address it was, which
house it was, too.
Mrs. Lashway: Okay, I had this discussion with her. She would
say, “Dock across from 28 Sandshore Road.” It doesn’t
necessarily mean that if I live at 28 that that’s my dock.
President Perkins: …mean that that’s the people that
Mrs. Lashway: There are houses that don’t have Lake property,
and there are people who own Lake property that live in other parts
of Town. So I had recommended that she give me that map and list
and I’d let the Lake Committee try to help identify whose
docks they are, because those people usually…
Mrs. Labow: You know what I’m saying? I mean, ten years
or fifteen years from now we’ll have people coming up here
saying that they’re grandfathered in and there’s no
record of it. I would just like to…
President Perkins: Alright, same as commercial.
Mr. Tepper: If there’s no picture then they’re not
President Perkins: Russ, did you want to…?
Mr. Tepper: No, I was just going to say that if there was no picture,
that was the whole purpose of taking the pictures.
President Perkins: Taking the pictures, that’s right.
Mr. Tepper: It’s not grandfathered. Now, the other point
is that there is a current ordinance on the books that says they
have to have their names and addresses on all of these docks. That’s
a whole different issue and I don’t think we should confuse
the two together.
Mrs. Labow: No, alright, thank you.
President Perkins: Any other discussion? Seeing none, Roll Call,
ROLL CALL – Defeated with Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Tepper, Mrs.
Labow, and President Perkins voting no. Mr. Roman voted yes.
Mayor Scapicchio: After all that.
Mrs. Labow: After all that.
Mr. Greenbaum: That’s the way it’s supposed to work.
Mr. Tepper: It makes no sense to have an ordinance that’s
President Perkins: The ordinance has been defeated. Ord. #48-2008
was defeated. That takes us to the Consent Resolutions Agenda.
Is there any item? Mr. Greenbaum?
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:
Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine
and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved
by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion
or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility
of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more
Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent
Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on
1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount
Olive Approving the Document Entitled “Disaster Preparation
Plan for Records Retrieval and Recovery – Township of Mount
Olive – Morris County – New Jersey.” PDF Resolution
2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount
Olive Authorizing a Further Extension of Time to Rachel Manor Properties,
LLC Within Which to Complete Improvements. PDF Resolution
3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount
Olive Awarding a Contract to First Priority Emergency Vehicles
for (1) 2009 Type III Ambulance for Flanders Rescue Squad. PDF
4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount
Olive Authorizing a Contract with Walker Diving for the Cleaning
of the Cloverhill Treatment Plant Aeration Tank Under the “Non-Fair
And Open” Contracts in Accordance with the Pay-To-Play Law.
5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount
Olive Authorizing a Professional Services Agreement with CMX for
Engineering Services in Connection with the Construction of Trails
at Turkey Brook Park. PDF Resolution
6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount
Olive Authorizing an Agreement with the Mount Olive Township Historical
Society to Use Office Space at the Blue Atlas Building at Block
4500 Lot 8. PDF Resolution
7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount
Olive Awarding a Contract to Aristocrat Limousine & Bus Co.
for Bus (motor coach) Transportation for 2008-2009. PDF Resolution
Mr. Greenbaum: Six.
Mr. Sohl: I think we’d like it pulled completely, right?
Mr. Greenbaum: Yes, pull it.
Mr. Sohl: Administration does not oppose pulling it.
Mr. Tepper: Even if you did we could still…
Mr. Sohl: For the record.
Mr. Greenbaum: I make a motion to have it pulled, deleted.
Mrs. Labow: Second.
President Perkins: All in favor?
President Perkins: That will be removed.
Mr. Tepper: Now it’s still one through six.
PUBLIC PORTION ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS - none
President Perkins: Anyone from the public wish to speak on any
of the Consent Resolutions numbers one through five and number
seven? Seeing nothing from the public, I close it to the public.
Council comments or questions? Let’s see, Colleen, would
you please introduce the resolutions?
Mrs. Labow: Yes, thank you, Mr. President. I’d like to move
resolutions one through five and number seven.
President Perkins: Do I have a second?
Mr. Greenbaum: Second.
COUNCIL COMMENTS ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS - none
President Perkins: Thank you. Any other comments from Council?
Seeing none, Roll Call.
ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously
RESOLUTIONS NON CONSENT - none
PUBLIC PORTION ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS - none
COUNCIL COMMENTS ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS - none
President Perkins: That takes us to Motions. Mr. Roman, would
you move the first motion, please?
Mr. Roman: I move the motion for:
1. Approval of Raffle Application #2272 for PTA Mt. Olive; Raffle
Application #2273, #2274 & #2275 for Sandshore Home and School
Partnership; and Application to Amend Bingo License #2266 for the
Budd Lake Fire Co. #1.
Mrs. Labow: Second.
President Perkins: Any comments? Roll Call, please.
ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously
President Perkins: That takes us to the Bill List. Mr. Greenbaum?
Mr. Greenbaum: I’ll move it.
2. Bill List.
Mr. Tepper: Second.
President Perkins: Any other discussions, comments? Seeing none,
ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously
President Perkins: That takes us to Administrative Matters. Mr.
Sohl, anything else?
Mrs. Labow: No, you forgot New Business.
President Perkins: No, I didn’t.
Mrs. Labow: Oh, I’m sorry. I was jumping ahead. Sorry.
President Perkins: That’s alright. Mr. Sohl, anything else
Mr. Sohl: Nothing else from Administration.
President Perkins: Thank you. Old Business? New Business?
OLD BUSINESS - none
Mrs. Labow: New Business.
President Perkins: Mrs. Labow?
Mrs. Labow: Actually, I’m speaking for Mr. Rattner. Should
I lower my voice a little bit?
Mr. Tepper: Speak faster.
Mrs. Labow: Speak faster? Mr. Rattner wants to let everyone know
that the Morris County Transportation Workshop sponsored by Freeholder
Feyl is on the 16th. He is our representative to the North Jersey
Transportation Planning Authority, NJTPA. This is to get our input
to the plan that runs through 2035. Since all federally funded
transportation projects in the region must have their roots in
the plan, he wants to make sure that we have included the Mayor’s
rail proposal and bus service that has been socialized for years.
Mrs. Labow (cont’d): suggestions can be put on the table
and we will receive assistance on how to ensure our proposals are
included. So what he’s saying basically is if we’re
not in on this meeting and we don’t make our desires known,
we may not get a shot at it. Thank you.
Mr. Sohl: So is Mr. Rattner putting that on the table?
Mrs. Labow: Yes, he wants to make sure that we’re going…
Mr. Sohl: If he’s going to be there then put it on. I mean,
I’m not going to be here.
Mrs. Labow: You’re not going to be there?
Mr. Sohl: No, I’m off.
Mrs. Labow: Okay.
President Perkins: No one will be there.
Mrs. Labow: So there’s not going to be any representation
from Mount Olive unless, I think Steve’s planning on being
there. I mean, perhaps you can reach out to… When are you
Mr. Sohl: I’m leaving Friday.
Mrs. Labow: Friday? So maybe if the Administration…
Mr. Sohl: If you can leave me that I’ll try to contact them
Mrs. Labow: Okay. I have one more thing to report and I’ll
give you this.
Mr. Tepper: Quickly.
Mrs. Labow: No, it’s not, Committee Reports.
President Perkins: Any other New Business? Seeing no other New
Business, that takes us to Legal Matters. Mr. Semrau?
Mr. Semrau: No report this evening, Council President. Thank you.
Recreation Liaison Report
President Perkins: Mr. Roman, Recreation?
Mr. Roman: Yes, at the last Recreation meeting some items of
note. The Recreation is looking for a High School student to
announce the upcoming Recreation programs in their announcements,
thus hoping to increase the participation. Also, Flanders Park
will more than likely get a concession hot dog cart coming this
summer. One vendor was guided through the steps they have to
take. Through the efficiency of government, they were advised
that this could take four to six months. The possibility of having
that at the Budd Lake beach, because Township ordinance says
that you cannot locate a temporary merchant within 1,000 feet
of a similar establishment, and Lake View Plaza has a restaurant,
that’s why Budd Lake beach cannot get a food cart or a
temporary food vendor. That’s it for Recreation.
Mrs. Lashway: Who told the vendor it’s going to take four
to six months? I’ve already talked to them. They’re
fingerprinted and it takes about eight weeks. Who told them four
to six months?
Mr. Roman: That is according to what Jill advised, that it would
take them. Through all of the ten steps.
Mr. Tepper: So think about this then. They’ll be very happy
when it takes less time when if we told them less and it took more,
they’d be unhappy.
President Perkins: They’d be unhappy.
Mr. Roman: That’s the way I usually do it. You’re
car will be done tomorrow and when it’s done today, they’re
President Perkins: They’re happy. That’s right. Thank
you, Mr. Roman. Board of Health Report, Mrs. Labow.
Board of Health Report
Mrs. Labow: We meet tomorrow night, but the one thing I did want
to bring up after speaking with Mr. Wilpert this afternoon is that
there has been some, we’ve had conversations about having
mutual shared services with the County for animal control. He went
to a meeting on Thursday and found out that the County is not planning
on funding this program at all, and what they’re looking
for is that the municipalities who are going to participate, the
cost would be $7,300 a month.
Mr. Sohl: Which is totally wrong.
Mrs. Labow: That’s wrong?
Mr. Sohl: Bogus, wrong.
Mrs. Labow: That’s what Frank came from the meeting.
Mr. Sohl: That’s what the County told us.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, but that’s wrong now?
Mr. Sohl: The County’s number is totally wrong.
Mrs. Labow: How so?
Mr. Sohl: Because it’s predicated on 39 municipalities with
Mrs. Labow: So it could be more?
President Perkins: Yes.
Mr. Sohl: It is absolutely going to be more.
Mrs. Labow: That’s what he said, that the basic, that’s
if all 39 municipalities participate it would be $7,300 per month
which is a capital cost. Right now, the way we are doing it by
having Golub Animal Hospital boarding the animals, because that’s
for the boarding facility, it’s costing us thousands of dollars
less. So we’re better off not getting involved in this.
Mr. Sohl: We agree completely.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, the shared service, and he asked me to report
that this evening.
President Perkins: Thank you. Planning Board, Mr. Tepper.
Planning Board Report
Mr. Tepper: Planning Board meets this Thursday. Our meeting last
week was cancelled.
President Perkins: Board of Adjustment, Mr. Roman.
Board of Adjustment Liaison Report
Mr. Roman: At the last meeting there was only one application,
the former plumbing business across from Budd Lake itself, applied
for change of use. They got approved and the first floor is going
to be retail. The second floor they are proposing a restaurant.
President Perkins: With windows overlooking the Lake.
Mrs. Labow: That building…
Mr. Greenbaum: They have design issues, though. They need a lot
of waivers, parking.
Mrs. Labow: Oh, really?
President Perkins: I don’t know where they’re going
to park there.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, there’s no parking there.
Mr. Greenbaum: They’re going to have to put it behind.
Mrs. Labow: But isn’t that in the preservation?
Mr. Greenbaum: No, I don’t think so. I think they can do
it but aesthetically it’s going to be a problem.
President Perkins: Open Space, Mrs. Labow.
Open Space Committee Report
Mrs. Labow: Yes, my mistake, I didn’t realize that they
were meeting last night. I thought with Town Hall being closed
the meeting was cancelled, but I did speak to Kathy Murphy this
afternoon. She said they discussed the Open Space tax issue on
the referendum on the ballot, and I understand that they are planning
on sending a letter to the papers to try and clarify the issue
for the voters. That’s it.
Legislative Committee Report
President Perkins: Thank you. Mr. Rattner is not here for the
Legislative Committee report.
Mrs. Labow: Okay, I…
Mr. Greenbaum: Do you want me to answer that for Steve?
Mr. Tepper: None, none.
President Perkins: No.
Mrs. Labow: I’ve got the Environmental one.
President Perkins: I’ve had a brief meeting with the 24th
Legislative District. They’re petitioning the Board of Public
Utilities and the Department of Community Affairs. Obviously COAH
is one of the big concerns. They had the breakfast meeting, Bill,
in Chester. Did you make the…?
Mr. Sohl: Yes, I did.
President Perkins: You made that. So that was one of the concerns.
We’re looking at having the COAH units that must be built
to be able to participate in any of the energy programs.
Mr. Tepper: Isn’t there a meeting coming up between Sussex,
Warren and Morris?
Mrs. Labow: Thursday night.
Mr. Tepper: Thursday night with Doria there where someone might
be able to address this. I have a Planning Board meeting.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, I’m going.
President Perkins: They’ve already sent the letter off to
the Board of Public Utilities, so we’ll have to see how that
works. Pride Committee, Mrs. Labow.
Pride Committee Liaison Report
Mrs. Labow: Pride Committee meets next week.
Board of Education Liaison Report
President Perkins: Board of Education. Mr. Tobey is not here.
Lake Environmental Issues, Colleen.
Lake/Environment Issues Committee
Mrs. Labow: I’m reporting for Mr. Rattner. Lake Environmental
Issues. Amy Cradic, Assistant DEP Commissioner, Natural and Historic
Resources, will be attending the October 15th Lake Musconetcong
Regional Planning Board meeting. While her purpose is to discuss
Lake Musconetcong issues, it is open to the public and the Chairman
will allow all questions. The meeting is 7:00 pm at the Netcong
Municipal building. Ms. Cradic is responsible for Historic Preservation,
Fish and Wildlife, Parks and Forestry, Engineering, Construction,
and Green Acres. Thank you. Regards, Steve.
Mr. Tepper: But what does that have to do with our Lake?
Mrs. Labow: It’s probably just informational.
Mr. Roman: Environmental.
Mrs. Labow: Environmental information.
Mr. Tepper: Having to do with Mount Olive?
Mrs. Labow: Well, it’s Lake / Environment.
Mr. Roman: If I may…
Mr. Tepper: Okay, by the way they’re doing something in
California on water purification too around Lakes.
President Perkins: I appreciate that.
Mrs. Labow: So bad.
Mr. Roman: If I may jump on, aren’t we lowering the Lake?
Mrs. Labow: Yes, that’s a good question. Are we allowed
to do that?
Mr. Tepper: Sorry, we’re in reports now not questions.
President Perkins: Questions, yes.
Mrs. Lashway: We don’t lower the Lake.
Mr. Roman: Because I saw that memo coming across that Tim was
going to remove the weir boards to lower the Lake.
Mrs. Lashway: The last big storm Dave Jones wanted him to pull
Mr. Greenbaum: No, that’s not what I heard. What Alex is
talking about is that there was some discussion that the Lake level
was going to be lowered for weed control purposes.
Mrs. Labow: To help cut down on costs.
Mr. Sohl: That’s in Hopatcong.
Mr. Greenbaum: No.
Mrs. Labow: That came from Jill.
Mr. Greenbaum: That’s what I heard.
Mr. Tepper: It was discussion for our Lake.
Mrs. Labow: Jill Daggon sent that email the other day.
Mr. Sohl: Why would Jill have anything to do with it?
Mrs. Labow: Because the Recreation Committee or somebody had asked
Mr. Greenbaum: I think it came up at the Recreation Advisory Committee.
Mrs. Lashway: Tim Quinn is the dam manager and he’s the
only person that is allowed to touch that.
Mr. Roman: But he authorized it.
Mr. Tepper: When you say the “dam manager,” do you
mean d-a-m, or d-a-m-n?
Mr. Greenbaum: I think it came up at the Recreation Advisory,
that’s where I heard it. It came up at the Recreation Advisory
meeting which Tim was present at and it was discussed. Did we get
something back from Tim on that?
Mr. Tepper: Why is Tim at the Recreation…?
Mrs. Lashway: And Princeton Hydro will be giving a report on the
results of what they’ve done, and maybe if they recommended
that, that be done for future maintenance of the weeds, but I don’t
think Tim is just going to go and do that.
Mrs. Labow: That’s what the email…
Mr. Tepper: I think that’s what Rob is asking. Can someone
speak to Tim and find out directly if it’s true, and if so,
the rationale? Not to put words in his mouth.
Mr. Greenbaum: Thank you.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, I’ll send you the email, Lisa.
Mrs. Lashway: It affects the water temperature of the breeding
trout downstream. You’re not allowed to just lift it.
President Perkins: They die.
Mr. Sohl: Tim Quinn was at this meeting?
Mr. Tepper: Fully adequate of speaking for yourself.
Mr. Greenbaum: Sometimes, depends on how much I’ve had to
Mr. Sohl: Tim who?
Mrs. Labow: Well, then ask the dam manager about it.
Mr. Tepper: Well, then just become a little bit more loquacious.
President Perkins: Safety Committee Liaison, Mr. Greenbaum.
Mr. Sohl: Wait, wait, wait. Tim who? Which Tim was at the meeting?
Mr. Tepper: Tim Quinn.
Mrs. Labow: Tim Quinn.
Mr. Roman: No, I wasn’t at the last Recreation and I don’t
see anything that says that Tim was there, but I saw the email
that came from Tim saying that he was going to do it.
Mrs. Labow: Is there another Tim?
Mr. Greenbaum: Ask Tim.
Mrs. Labow: At the next opportunity he was going to remove the
Mr. Tepper: Alright, so we’ll ask him in the morning.
Mrs. Labow: Bill, I’ll forward you the email.
Mr. Greenbaum: Safety Committee.
President Perkins: Yes, forward all of us the, because I haven’t
seen the email.
Mr. Greenbaum: I haven’t seen the email either.
Mr. Roman: It came out of Recreation.
President Perkins: Neither has the Clerk.
Mr. Roman: No, it came out of Recreation.
Mr. Tepper: Mr. Russell, have you seen the email?
President Perkins: Yes, Safety Committee, Mr. Greenbaum.
Safety Committee Liaison
Mr. Greenbaum: We were supposed to meet tomorrow night to discuss
the choice between St. Claire’s and Atlantic, but lo and
behold, Budd Lake Rescue, Frank DeCarlo is unavailable until mid-November.
Mr. Tepper: He can’t delay…
Mr. Greenbaum: November 5th. There was a whole long email that
came from Budd Lake Rescue in terms of their concerns about going
to a paid ambulance squad, and it appears that Budd Lake Rescue
is dragging their feet at this point in time, so to speak, in terms
of their desire not to go to a paid ambulance service. Although
the Committee as a whole, when we looked at the issue, agreed that
there is a problem and that it potentially could be a big problem
at some point in the future if one or two drivers of either of
the rescue squads who do the daytime coverage were suddenly unavailable
to do the daytime coverage, which really was the justification
for the Committee moving forward with this paid service, which
basically will benefit the Township in terms of coverage and will
cost the individual homeowner who uses the services and who doesn’t
have insurance, nothing, either through Atlantic, saying that they
would not take it to collections, or though St. Claire’s
charity care. So ultimately what I expect to have happen is that
there will be a recommendation coming out of the Safety Committee
which Budd Lake Rescue will not be in favor of, and Flanders Rescue
will be in favor of, and the Police and the two Fire Departments
will be in favor of in terms of one of the two services. I heard
through the grapevine that Budd Lake Rescue would like to put this
as a referendum on November’s ballot to find out whether
Mrs. Labow: It’s too late for that.
Mr. Greenbaum: I know it can’t be done. This is what I heard
through the grapevine, that they want to put it on the ballot to
discuss whether or not the Township should create their own paid
EMS as opposed to going to a paid outside existing service. Be
that as it may, I know there’s a newspaper article coming
out in the Chronicle this week. I’ve been told by people
who have seen the article that it appears that I have provided
all of the information related to the article, which is not true.
I did speak to Claire Knapp. I gave her whatever had been discussed
in the Committee. Certainly if it says that we’re looking
at anything other than 6 – 6 daytime coverage, that’s
inaccurate. I’ve heard that it says that we’re looking
for daytime, nighttime, weekend time. Obviously, we’re not
looking to replace what we have existing. Those wonderful volunteers
who have devoted so much of their time and effort for this Township,
we’re looking to supplement at this point to provide basic
daytime coverage for Mount Olive. That’s what we’re
looking for and there’s going to be, it’s going to
be a hotbed issue ultimately when it gets to this level. To the
extent that you believe daytime coverage is appropriate, I think
you’re going to have to stand up with me and basically take
the position that we’ve looked at this issue for a long,
long time. We know it works in other towns. It’s been studied
and it has come out of the Safety Committee as a recommendation
and it’s unfortunate, but I believe that Budd Lake Rescue
to the end is going to be in opposition to any change. If I didn’t
believe that it was ultimately necessary, I would stand with Budd
Lake Rescue, but I’ve been convinced otherwise.
President Perkins: Is there actually going to be a meeting tomorrow
Mr. Greenbaum: There is not.
President Perkins: No?
Mr. Greenbaum: No, and right now November 5th is the next potential
Mr. Sohl: Next potential date.
President Perkins: Are they still making the quarterly meetings?
Mr. Sohl: I would say more frequent than that.
Mr. Greenbaum: More frequent because we’re dealing with
President Perkins: Okay, Russ?
Mr. Tepper: I absolutely agree that we have to have coverage in
order to protect our residents, whether it be provided by volunteers
or by paid. What I would like to understand and to make sure that
we’re doing everything we can, is that we look to people
like Paragon Village who are providing a great demand on this
Mr. Tepper (cont’d): particular service as a way to have
people driven to medical visits, etc. that they are fulfilling
their obligation to have their own transportation, which I believe
they had committed to doing when they first established. So I would
like to understand what they’re doing or what the situation
is with that, and if we can bill them now even for volunteer people
doing this because of the fact that they are not fulfilling their
obligation to provide their own service for their own residents.
Mr. Greenbaum: Well, my understanding is that we can’t bill
because of the way it’s set up. We can’t bill. If it
was set up as a separate organization you could bill but then it
would change all of the other factors in terms of funding, so on
and so forth. There was some discussion about Paragon Village in
terms of Budd Lake actually telling them that they’re not
going to come on certain calls because they can tell that it’s
a non-emergency call, but it’s a very fine line.
Mr. Tepper: How do you tell? A person can’t breathe. They’re
80 years old.
Mrs. Labow: When they’re there with their suitcase you know.
Mr. Greenbaum: But notwithstanding that, that is now going to
be the paid ambulance services’ responsibility…
Mr. Tepper: Let them bill them.
Mr. Greenbaum: …and let them bill it back to Medicare or
Mr. Tepper: Great, that’s a perfect solution.
Mr. Greenbaum: You know what, the paid ambulance squads are still
going to be available for daytime calls to the extent that they’re
available. They can go to the scene and be the first responders,
Mrs. Labow: The volunteers.
Mr. Greenbaum: The only thing that’s going to change is
that the transport obligation is going to be with the paid services.
Mr. Tepper: And that’s fine because that’ll take a
lot of pressure off of our volunteers.
Mr. Greenbaum: And as I said, we have tried to make it a condition,
although we haven’t taken it that far, that any of the volunteers
that are looking for full-time paid jobs out of Mount Olive are
going to be hired to cover Mount Olive. I believe Atlantic has
committed to that so that we are going to be taking our volunteers
who truly want to do it as a profession, and we’re going
to get them paid through the services that we retain.
President Perkins: What’s ironic is in this Sunday’s
job opportunities in the Star Ledger, there were at least two if
not three advertisements for paid EMTs. It is a growing business.
I think we all understand that, Rob. I share everyone’s concern,
we all do. These ladies and gentleman that have been out there
as volunteers all this time, they’re being stretched. When
I sat on that Safety Committee, you heard the same horror stories.
When it’s 45 minutes to get an ambulance to your house when
one of your family is sick or ill and has to be transported, that
is just unacceptable in today’s modern lifestyle. If we can’t
rely on our people, and it’s through no fault of their own.
This is tough times. We have two family members at work, kids,
daycare, everything was setup at the Mount Olive Childcare and
Learning Center for those people to be able to utilize as a drop
off, a free service. Some of them took advantage of it. Bill has
solicited throughout the municipal building to try to find more
people that might be interested in doing that, that would work
here. I know John Geiger has been running out quite often to drive.
We’re stretching a workforce that is here to cover something
else that could be covered during the daytime. So you’re
talking 12 hour shifts, five days a week. The volunteers are there
in the evenings. They still get their LOSAPS. They get all of their
training that’s provided for by the Township. The only savings
I see is that there’s going to be less mileage and less equipment,
hopefully, that will be used. What that will be exponentially I
don’t think is going to be a phenomenal amount of money.
I don’t think any of us our looking at it from a costing
issue. We’re looking at it strictly from a public safety
Mr. Greenbaum: That’s exactly what I told the newspaper,
and you know what…
Mr. Tepper: We’ll see if you were quoted accurately.
Mr. Greenbaum: I think the problem was worse some time ago when
we were all hearing about it on a regular basis, and perhaps part
of that was the fact that Jim Buell was sitting up here. So we
were a little closer, but I think the problem was worse a little
while ago. It’s gotten a little bit better, but it’s
bound to get worse again just depending upon coverage. We need
to be ahead of the curve on this one. I’ve spoken to Randolph
and I encourage anyone to call Jim at Randolph in terms of how…
Mrs. Labow: John.
Mr. Greenbaum: John. Anyone who has any questions about whether
or not it’s working in Randolph to the extent that John is
a straight shooter. He’ll tell you it’s the best thing
they ever did.
Mrs. Labow: Yes, that’s what he told me. I called as well.
He said that their volunteers fought it, and fought it, and fought
it. Once they did it, they didn’t realize how close they
were to burnout. They were just very happy that they had done it
and it was just a big relief all the way around.
Mr. Greenbaum: But I’m telling you it’s going to become
a political potato.
President Perkins: Great timing. Moving right along, Solid Waste
Advisory Committee, Mrs. Labow.
Finance Committee Report
Economic Development Committee Report
Solid Waste Advisory Committee Report
Mrs. Labow: It’s interesting. Solid Waste Advisory Committee
doesn’t seem to be meeting anymore. We were supposed to have
a meeting last Wednesday. In the past I’ve taken the initiative
to double check if we’re going to have a meeting or not,
although I’m only the Council Liaison. Last week I decided
not to make that effort and nobody else did either.
President Perkins: Good.
Mrs. Labow: So, it’s not meeting. The Committee has not
President Perkins: Library Board, Mr. Tepper.
Library Board Liaison
Mr. Tepper: The Library Board is meeting tomorrow. One of the
topics is looking at the current status of the search for a new
PUBLIC PORTION - none
President Perkins: Excellent. That opens us up to the last public
portion. Anyone from the public wish to be heard on any other items.
Seeing none, I close it to the public. Council Comments, Mr. Greenbaum.
Mr. Greenbaum: None.
President Perkins: Mr. Tepper?
Mr. Tepper: None, thank you.
President Perkins: Mr. Roman?
Mr. Roman: None.
President Perkins: Mrs. Labow?
Mrs. Labow: I just have a quick one. I just want to thank Council
President Perkins as well as Council Presidents in the past that
we have that moment of silence for our service men and women protecting
our country. I just want to say that my nephew, my brother deceased
28 years ago. My nephew is over in Kuwait right now. He will be
going over to Iraq in three weeks, and I do have one nephew in
the Air Force that just came back. So it is nice to take that moment
of reflection and wish our service people well. I do thank you
for allowing us to do that.
President Perkins: That’s great. One interesting piece of
news that I have as a comment, I got a call today from a company.
It’s a veteran, it’s called Homes for Our Troops. They
literally are building homes for the severely wounded troops from
Iraq that are returning. I will be working on a project in Hillsdale
on a home that’s going to be built free of charge for one
of these veterans. So it should be a mighty interesting project.
It’s actually going to be LEED platinum. They’re going
to make this thing a high performance LEED, green home. So it’s
wonderful. I’ll now take a motion to adjourn.
ADJOURNMENT - Motion was made and seconded, all in favor and none
opposed, the meeting was adjourned at 10:30 pm.
Raymond T. Perkins, Council President
I, LISA M. LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive
do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct
copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the
Mount Olive Township Council duly held on October 28, 2008.
Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk