COUNCIL PUBLIC MEETING MINUTES - October 14, 2008

The Regular Public Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to Order at 9:47 pm by Council President Perkins with the Pledge of Allegiance.

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE & MOMENT OF REFLECTION for all those who have and continue to protect our freedoms and our way of life.

OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT ANNOUNCEMENT
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of this meeting has been given to the Mount Olive Chronicle. Notice has been posted at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mount Olive Township, New Jersey and notices were sent to those requesting the same.

ROLL CALL

Present: Mr. Roman, Mr. Tobey (left at 9:58pm), Mrs. Labow, Mr. Tepper, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Perkins

Absent: Mr. Rattner

Also Present: Mayor David Scapicchio (left at 10:05pm); Sherry Maniscalco, CFO; Fred Semrau, Township Attorney; Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk; Bill Sohl, Business Administrator

Questions on Bill List?

President Perkins: That takes us to questions on the Bill List. Anybody have any questions on the Bill List? Mr. Russell? Nothing? Mrs. Labow?

Mrs. Labow: I have questions on the Bill List. First of all, I know Steve sent some questions. Were they answered? Were they taken care of?

Mrs. Lashway: No, I only copied you and Ray.

President Perkins: No, you’ve got to read them in.

Mr. Russell: Ray, I do have a question.

Mrs. Maniscalco: We never got Steve’s questions.

Mrs. Lashway: He e-mailed that to me after hours.

President Perkins: Do you have the paper, Colleen?

Mrs. Labow: Yes, I’m looking for his…

Mrs. Maniscalco: Were there a lot?

Mrs. Lashway: No there’s just…

Mr. Greenbaum: Forty-three. Forty-three questions.

Mrs. Labow: Okay, Steve’s questions…

Mrs. Lashway: On the Bill List.

President Perkins: On the Bill List, you’ve got a number of construction permit refunds due to computer malfunction. What was the computer malfunction and how was it discovered? Second, since the error was discovered prior to August 14th and the total is approximately $30,000, was this reflected in the budget review presented in September?

Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, it was in the budget review because we did know about it. Bill, do you know specifically what the computer error was from?

Mr. Sohl: In terms of which…

Mrs. Maniscalco: I know the, remember the construction refunds we had to make? There was a glitch in the computer system. I believe one of the percentages that was in their system…

Mr. Sohl: They had to make an adjustment to it.

Mrs. Maniscalco: They discovered that it was wrong, I guess, and during one of their reviews they noticed it was too high. They realized that there were a number of permits that were over billed that they then in turn had to refund.

President Perkins: Okay.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Why that percentage was where it was, I don’t know. I just know that Gary discovered it was a problem and, you know, as I said the money had to be refunded but, yes, it was in my budget projection.

President Perkins: Okay, that was it? That was it? What’s the chance? Alex?

Mr. Roman: On page four, we have a Mendham Garden Center. Is that stuff that cannot be purchased by any entity within the Township?

Mr. Tepper: May be the best price.

Mrs. Maniscalco: It’s street and roads is where it’s charged to, I believe.

Mr. Roman: I just want to make all effort that if there is an in Town business that does offer the same, you know, items and that we at least try to get them.

Mrs. Maniscalco: You want to use a local vendor is what you’re saying, Alex?

Mr. Roman: Yes, I mean if Tractor Supply in Flanders has it, and it’s two cents more I would like the Administration to at least go that route, especially if it’s an inconsequential purchase.

Mr. Sohl: How much was it for?

Mrs. Maniscalco: $872.00. I know Tim does try to…

President Perkins: I’m not sure that you can go with it if it’s not the lowest bid.

Mr. Sohl: I know we usually try our best to use local entities.

Mr. Roman: Okay, I just want to reaffirm.

President Perkins: Mr. Tepper?

Mr. Tepper: Same question I think I asked last year. On page 12, we pay for Police physicals. Are we trying to recover that from their medical? They all have medical. We pay a lot of money for medical benefits. Why aren’t we billing their medical?

Mrs. Maniscalco: Isn’t the issue with that, and forgive me if I’m wrong, but I thought the issue with that was that because we want the test results, that we’re paying for the physicals because the test results… If we’re paying it then we’re entitled to get the results, whereas if they go on their own then the test results are technically theirs, I believe.

Mr. Tepper: If you mandate a physical, easy example, my son is mandated by the High School to have a physical. If I choose to have it done by my doctor or their doctor…

Mr. Roman: You still have to bring the results to the School.

Mr. Tepper: You still have to bring the results and I hand my bill in.

Mrs. Maniscalco: That’s always been the rationale they’ve used when they’ve come, I know.

Mr. Tepper: I just don’t understand since we pay medical, why don’t we submit the bill to their carrier.

Mayor Scapicchio: We can find that out. We’ll ask the question.

Mr. Tepper: I’m just curious. I mean, maybe it gets us back a couple grand.

Mr. Sohl: The reality is we do all the physicals at one time. That’s it.

Mr. Tepper: I understand that, Bill, but if we can bill it to the vendor that we’re paying medical for, and they’ll pay it, we should do so.

Mayor Scapicchio: We’ll find out, Russ.

Mr. Sohl: We’ll find…

Mr. Tepper: Thank you.

Mrs. Maniscalco: I know we looked into that before, so we’ll follow up.

Mr. Tepper: …legal thing about who owned the results, but it’s like, a medical is a medical.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, exactly. Okay.

Mrs. Labow: Sherry, on page 3, Scarcinci and Hollenbeck, Foote vs. Mount Olive, $4,294.00. What is…?

Mr. Sohl: That’s our labor attorney.

Mrs. Maniscalco: That’s coming from, we had money that we had gotten from the JIF. I believe it was like $25,000 that we put in escrow, and we’re drawing down against that, Colleen, as we get the bills.

Mrs. Labow: Oh, that’s why the question was…

Mr. Sohl: Those are ongoing…

Mrs. Maniscalco: It’s not Township money. This is coming out of the escrow account.

Mr. Tepper: It’s not ours.

Mr. Sohl: In fact, Mr. Perkins and I will be at bat tomorrow.

Mrs. Labow: That was my question. So I’m thinking if we got that other thing, are we paying, okay…

Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, it’s coming out of escrow.

Mr. Tepper: On that one?

Mr. Sohl: Go figure.

Mrs. Labow: I also had that same question about the program fees. The other thing I wanted to know, well, you already answered that. I have another question here.

Mr. Tepper: Can we recover our…

Mrs. Labow: For the, on page 13, for a scholarship for $500, is that something that you and Jack give?

Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, Jack and I, we spoke to John Dorsey when we first set it up because we wanted to make sure he didn’t have a problem with this putting the money back. Jack and I cut $250 each, we put it back in the budget and then we cut the check for the Township. He said that was fine.

Mrs. Labow: Then you cut, that’s what I thought. I just wanted to make sure that was what that was. The other thing, and this is probably a question more for Tim Quinn, I see that also on page 13 we spent $6,400 for tree and stump removal. Now, we don’t, I don’t know if this was stump grinding or anything like that, and I know…

Mr. Sohl: We use a tree service to do a lot of our work.

Mr. Tepper: That widget’s expensive.

Mrs. Labow: The grinder is?

Mr. Tepper: It’s probably about $40,000.

Mrs. Labow: Okay, that was my question, would it be…?

Mrs. Maniscalco: We do, they are in State contract too. They are a State member.

Mrs. Labow: Okay, that’s what I wanted to know. Then I also saw on page 14, a toolbox for the back of a truck, $249.

Mr. Roman: That’s cheap.

President Perkins: Cheap.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Oh, toolbox, okay.

Mrs. Labow: Is that toolbox for one of the replacement trucks and they didn’t have a toolbox?

Mr. Sohl: I believe that’s correct.

Mrs. Labow: The replacement truck, the old truck didn’t have a toolbox?

Mr. Roman: It wouldn’t fit. If it’s a newer truck it would be a totally different bed size and all that and you couldn’t put the new toolbox.

Mr. Sohl: Correct.

Mr. Roman: It’s probably cheaper to buy and install it than…

Mrs. Labow: Take it apart and try to…

Mr. Roman: No, then order with one already from the factory.

Mrs. Labow: Oh, because the factory would charge more money. That’s good to know.

Mr. Roman: It would charge significantly more.

Mrs. Labow: And then I wanted to know, Wyndham Point sewer system, when we took over that sewer system I thought, it was my understanding that there’s 96 houses on there, and 96 septic systems were all going to be emptied, and that we were only going to do 30% each year. I see in here that there’s $15,253 for Russell Reid waste removal, septic waste removal. I understand from a conversation I had with Steve Rattner this afternoon that was for 50-some houses. I thought we were going to be doing…

Mrs. Maniscalco: We were supposed to do it in phases. I’ll talk to Tim and find out. I’m thinking maybe he…

Mr. Sohl: Are you talking about water meters?

Mrs. Maniscalco: No, the removal.

Mrs. Labow: No, the sewer system at Wyndham Pointe is very specific, and we were supposed to be on a schedule that a third would be emptied out every year, but they emptied out more than a third.

Mrs. Maniscalco: I’ll find out, Colleen. You’re right. It was a third. I’ll find out from him. I’m sure Tim has an explanation.

Mrs. Labow: Okay, great, because I wanted to know about that, and then the grinder pump also on page 20, $11,000. Is this the same, is this the one where we keep the grinder pumps handy and if they go we replace one.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, this is coming out of capital outlay. These are actually new ones that we’re purchasing. If they were replacements they would wind up, you know, they’re new.

Mrs. Labow: They’re brand new ones?

Mrs. Maniscalco: Brand new ones. That’s the only thing that can come out of capital outlay. If we’re refurbishing then that has to come out of operating because that’s like a maintenance cost.

Mrs. Labow: Okay, because would this, is this for the Budd Lake sewer system, I believe?

Mr. Sohl: That’s the only one we use.

President Perkins: Don’t know.

Mrs. Labow: …we use them for, so we’re at the point where some of the grinder pumps have to be replaced then is what we’re saying.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, definitely. That I know for sure.

President Perkins: Oh, yes, they replaced mine.

Mrs. Labow: Oh, did they?

President Perkins: Last year.

Mrs. Labow: I thought that they pulled them out and then they’ll fix them if they can.

President Perkins: Well, yes, if they can but if not, they’re going to have to buy new ones.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, if you noticed, we’ve had a lot of repair/rebuild expenses on the Bill List to date, but these are actually new.

Mrs. Labow: Okay, so it got to the point where repair and rebuild was more costly than replacement.

Mrs. Maniscalco: If we can, as Ray said.

Mr. Tepper: Wouldn’t you have to put a new one in, in order to take one out to then repair it?

Mrs. Labow: That’s my understanding. They put one in and then they take the other one out and repair it but they keep a spare. They have four or five spares to interchange, exchange back and forth.

Mr. Tepper: Just bought a new spare.

President Perkins: You’d have to just in case your house…

Mrs. Labow: I don’t have a grinder pump.

President Perkins: Well, somebody who does, if their house went and they didn’t have another one on standby, now you have the health issue because they can’t flush the toilets.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, this is true.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Were those Steve’s too, Colleen?

President Perkins: So you have to have some on standby.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Were those Steve’s questions too?

Mr. Tepper: Not a problem. My wife goes to Marriot.

Mrs. Labow: No, he already, Steve’s question was about the computer error in the Building department.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Oh, the computer. So other than that he’s okay?

President Perkins: Yes, so far. That was pretty good, right?

Mrs. Maniscalco: Okay, I just want to, I figure let me address it if we can now.

President Perkins: It was only one page.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, and then the other ones were my questions.

Mrs. Maniscalco: I mean, we can get more specific on exactly why. I don’t know exactly why it happened, though.

President Perkins: It would be nice to know.

Mrs. Maniscalco: If he’s looking for that maybe we’ll have Gary send something out.

President Perkins: Yes, just have him shoot out a memo of what happened.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, he did want to have specifics on that.

President Perkins: Alright, any other questions on the Bill List?

Mrs. Labow: No, I’m done.

President Perkins: Thank god.

Mrs. Labow: Thank god.

APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS

President Perkins: Approval of Previous Minutes, Mrs. Labow.

Mrs. Labow: Approval of Previous, okay, here we go.

Mr. Tepper: We’re on the Agenda now.

Mrs. Labow: Now we’re back on the Agenda. I move to approve:

September 30, 2008 WS, CS & PM – all present

Mr. Roman: Second.

President Perkins: Council comments, questions, corrections? Seeing none, Roll Call.

ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously

CORRESPONDENCE

LETTERS FROM RESIDENTS/ORGANIZATIONS

1. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from the National League of Cities regarding Thomas L. Friedman to Speak at 2008 Congress of Cities. PDF Correspondence

2. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from NJ 211 regarding Welcome back Laura Marx, Spotlighted on Government Home Pages as the Place to Turn for Information, and System Enables Call Centers in California to Help Hurricane Survivors on the Gulf Coast. PDF Correspondence

3. Letter received October 1, 2008, from Jersey Professional Management regarding a Shared Services Report. PDF Correspondence

4. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the 2009 Green cities Conference regarding Registration Open for 2008 NLC Green Cities Conference. PDF Correspondence

5. E-mail received October 7, 2008, from Mark Zakutansky regarding the Highlands Council Initial Assessment Grant and Water Quality Management Rules. PDF Correspondence

6. E-mail received October 7, 2008, from ICSC Alliance Program regarding a Last Call for New Jersey Alliance Program in New Brunswick on October 17th. PDF Correspondence

RESOLUTIONS / ORDINANCES / CORRESPONDENCE OTHER TOWNS

7. Letter received October 10, 2008, from the Township of Byram regarding Land Use Ordinances. PDF Correspondence

DOT / DEP / LOI / HIGHLANDS
8. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from Mark Zakutansky regarding the Highlands Regional Master Plan. PDF Correspondence

9. Letter received October 1, 2008, from the State of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection regarding the Fox Chase Subdivision – Gen III Builders. PDF Correspondence

10. Notice to Neighboring Landowners received October 1, 2008, from New York SMSA Limited Partnership d/b/a Verizon Wireless regarding a Highland Preservation Area Approval. PDF Correspondence

11. Letter received October 2, 2008, from E2PM regarding a Notification of NJDEP Highlands Application Preservation Area Approval (HPAA) for New York SMSA Limited Partnership d/b/a Verizon Wireless, 650 Bartley Chester Road, Flanders. PDF Correspondence

12. Letter received October 3, 2008, from Ecol Sciences, Inc. regarding an Application for a Letter of Interpretation: Line Verification for Block 103 Lot 2.04 (400 International Drive). PDF Correspondence

13. Letter received October 4, 2008, from the State of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection regarding a denial of the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority Wastewater Management Plan Proposed Amendment to the Upper Delaware, Sussex and Upper Raritan. PDF Correspondence

14. Letter received October 6, 2008, from Ecol Sciences, Inc. regarding an Application for a Statewide General permit Number 2 for Block 107, Lot 3 (850 Clark Drive). PDF Correspondence

15. Letter received October 6, 2008, from the State of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection regarding a Preliminary and Final Site Plan for Block 8301 Lots 11 & 12 (484 Route 46). PDF Correspondence

16. Letter received October 8, 2008, from the State of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection regarding the Patricia Falgiano Property, 9 Old Budd Lake Road. PDF Correspondence

17. Letter received October 9, 2008, from the State of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection regarding 3 Kerry Place. PDF Correspondence

MSA

18. Letter received October 2, 2008, from the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding Allocation for participating municipalities in the 4.31 MGD Water Pollution Control Plant. PDF Correspondence

19. Letter received October 3, 2008, from the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding their September 3 Regular Meeting. PDF Correspondence

MORRIS COUNTY

20. Letter received October 3, 2008, from the Morris County Municipal Utilities Authority regarding the Recycling Awards Dinner. PDF Correspondence

21. Letter received October 6, 2008, from the County of Morris, Department of Senior, Disability & Veterans Services, Division on Aging, Disabilities & Veterans regarding October & November 2008 Calendar of Events. PDF Correspondence

22. Letter received October 9, 2008, from the Morris County League of Municipalities regarding a reservation for the upcoming program with Matt Higgins, V.P. of JETS. PDF Correspondence

ABC

23. Letter received October 7, 2008, from the State of New Jersey Office of the Attorney General, Department of law and Public Safety, Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control regarding Clover May, Inc. t/a Village Bar and Liquors. PDF Correspondence

LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES

24. E-mail received September 26, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding a Public Health Issue. PDF Correspondence

25. E-mail received September 26, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding 2008 Conference Resolutions. PDF Correspondence

26. E-mail received September 29, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding a Media Advisory and A-2731 Expedited Traffic Signs Approvals. PDF Correspondence

27. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Tri State Transportation Campaign and One Region Funders’ Group – NEW Community Assistance TOD Grant Program. PDF Correspondence

28. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Important Conference Sessions – Economic (Re)Development. PDF Correspondence

29. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding A-1158 Wrongful Death, October Grant Page Posted, Urgent Alert – New Jersey Joins the National League of Cities to Urge Compromise on Financial Crisis, and Federal Update for Period Ending September 30, 2008. PDF Correspondence

30. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding a COAH Update. PDF Correspondence

31. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding a Corrected Copy of the COAH Update. PDF Correspondence

32. E-mail received October 4, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding League Op-Ed on Municipal Response to Financial Market Crisis, and Important Conference Session – Interlocal Cooperation. PDF Correspondence

33. E-mail received October 7, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding WWII Memorial Dedication Initiation. PDF Correspondence

34. E-mail received October 7, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding the 11th Annual Elected Officials Hall of Fame. PDF Correspondence

35. E-mail received October 8, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding the 25th anniversary of DARM with their 2nd Annual Awards Program.

36. E-mail received October 8, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding the Seminar, “We like Paris in All Seasons! NJ’s Local Government Grants Program Restored to Full Funding in FY 2009 Budget.” PDF Correspondence

37. E-mail received October 8, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding COAH Challenge Update; Motion for Stay. PDF Correspondence

38. E-mail received October 9, 2008, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Important Conference Sessions – Communications. PDF Correspondence

LETTERS FROM LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVES

39. E-mail received September 26, 2008, from Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen regarding Stabilizing Our Economy, Mental Health Parity Legislation Passes, House Leadership Fails Appropriations Process, Frelinghuysen Given Friend of History Award, Speaks at Hanover Veterans memorial Dedication, Receives Small Business Award, Spread the e-News. PDF Correspondence

40. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen regarding a statement on his Opposition to the Bailout. PDF Correspondence

41. E-mail received September 30, 2008, from Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen regarding a statement on Emergency Economic Stabilization. PDF Correspondence

42. E-mail received October 1, 2008, from Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen regarding a statement on the Economic Rescue Plan. PDF Correspondence

43. E-mail received October 3, 2008, from Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen regarding Support of the Improved Financial Rescue Package. PDF Correspondence

UTILITIES

44. Letter received October 9, 2008, from Jersey Central Power & Light regarding Proposed New Demand Response Programs. PDF Correspondence

45. Letter received October 10, 2008, from Comcast regarding Channel Change. PDF Correspondence

DCA

46. E-mail received October 9, 2008, from the Department of Community Affairs regarding Women’s History Month and Nominations for the 2009 Connie Woodruff & Wynona M. Lipman Awards. PDF Correspondence

47. E-mail received October 9, 2008, from the Department of Community Affairs regarding the Workshop, “Financing Tools for Redevelopment: RADs, RABs, PILOTs and More.” PDF Correspondence

ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING

President Perkins: For the record I’d like to note that Vice President Tobey had to leave early, so he will not be in attendance for the rest of the meeting. We have 47 pieces of Correspondence on the Agenda. Does any Councilmember wish to discuss any piece of Correspondence? Seeing none, we’ll move from Correspondence to Ordinances for Public Hearing. I open the hearing to the public on Ord. #50-2008, entitled:

Ord. #50-2008 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive to Amend and Supplement Chapter 196 Entitled “Sewers and Water,” Article XI, Entitled “Fees,” Section 196-67 Entitled “Exemptions for Entities Supported by the Public or Government,” of the Code of the Township of Mount Olive. PDF Ordinance

President Perkins: Does anyone from the public wish to be heard on that ordinance? Mr. Russell, name and address for the record, please.

Nelson Russell, Budd Lake: When we put the sewers in Budd Lake, there’s a fee for usage and there’s also a bond ordinance that we’re paying…

Mrs. Labow: Connection, yes.

Mr. Russell: ...over 20 years at 3.75% or something for the actual construction.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Yes, it was an assessment for the connection.

Mr. Russell: Assessment.

Mrs. Maniscalco: Exactly, and then there’s the quarterly billing.

Mr. Russell: Is the School paying the assessment or did they pay it all up front?

Mrs. Maniscalco: They paid it up front.

Mr. Russell: Okay, thank you.

President Perkins: Anyone else from the public? Seeing none, I’ll close it to the public. Mr. Rattner’s not here so, Mr. Roman, would you move that, please?

Mr. Roman: I move for adoption and final passage of Ord. #50-2008.

Mrs. Labow: Second.

President Perkins: Second, thank you. Council discussion?

Mrs. Labow: I want to say one thing and Sherry can confirm possibly. I had a conversation with Mr. Rattner today about that issue, the question you asked, Mr. Russell, and he had said that we actually took out the bond for the School for their sewer for that part of the connection at a lower rate than what they could have gotten.

Mrs. Maniscalco: We do. If you actually look at our sewer budget you’ll see we have a revenue line called “reimbursement from Schools,” and what that is, is to offset the debt service that we did take out for them relative to the whole wastewater project. They are actually going to be done with that not too much longer. I think it’s like four or five years and we’re done, but yes, we did take it out for them and they do pay us back every year.

Mr. Russell: Is that a 15 or a 20 year payback?

Mrs. Maniscalco: You know, I don’t, I think it was like 15. I believe it was a 15.

Mr. Sohl: I think…

Mrs. Labow: And it saved them 2%, I believe, you know, what Mr. Rattner and I were speaking about today. So we helped them out in that respect.

Mr. Russell: [From the audience]

Mrs. Lashway: Can’t talk from the audience.

President Perkins: Can’t talk to you from there. Can’t hear you there.

Mr. Greenbaum: I’m going to have to do an OPRA request to find out the substance of the conversations that are occurring between Mr. Rattner and Mrs. Labow.

Mrs. Labow: It was on the telephone.

Mr. Tepper: Seems to be a lot.

President Perkins: Wiretap.

Mrs. Labow: Oh, wiretap.

President Perkins: Any other Council discussions? Call the Roll, please.

ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously

ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING (2nd reading – October 28, 2008)

President Perkins: That takes us to Ordinances for First Reading with a second reading scheduled for October 28, 2008. The next item on the Agenda is Ord. 48-2008, entitled:

Ord. #48-2008 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive to Amend and Supplement Chapter 400 Entitled “Land Use,” Relative to Docks, Piers and Boathouses” of the Code of the Township of Mount Olive. PDF Ordinance

President Perkins: Mr. Tepper, would you move that, please?

Mr. Tepper: Yes, Mr. President. I move that Ord. #48-2008 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on October 28th, 2008 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Budd Lake, New Jersey for a public hearing, consideration of second reading, and passage of Mr. Tepper (cont’d): said Ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available said Ordinance in accordance with the requirements of the law.

President Perkins: Do I have a second?

Mr. Greenbaum: Second.

President Perkins: Thank you. Council discussion?

Mrs. Labow: Does this change anything from our last discussion from the last Workshop?

President Perkins: My reading of it is the same as the last Workshop.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, I didn’t see anything…

President Perkins: The fee was removed.

Mrs. Labow: The fee was removed.

President Perkins: So they’ll still take out, the zoning permit will still be there. New applicants will still pay for their $250 or whatever fee it is for the pier that comes off of the bulkheads. Other than that, everybody is grandfathered as of the date of the ordinance. If they’ve already had a dock that’s out there, they’re grandfathered in.

Mrs. Labow: We went through the commercial vehicle ordinance, there was a time when there was X amount of people who were told they were grandfathered and there was never a list, or we couldn’t, I guess Lisa, did Jessica finally find the list?

Mr. Tepper: Excuse me, Planning people went out, Catherine and Frank Wilpert, Jr. went out and took pictures of every dock that exists right now, so as to establish that inventory as a result of our discussions on this at our last meeting.

Mrs. Labow: So what I would like, I understand that they did that because I talked to Catherine, but what I want to know is can we have that list incorporated with this ordinance so it’s part, if it is ultimately approved so we don’t have to search years from now?

Mrs. Lashway: Well, it’s not a list. I haven’t seen it yet but it’s not a list as you would expect, because they took pictures and marked where docks are. I don’t think they necessarily know the ownership of them.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, they did. Catherine told me that when they took pictures of the docks she would say what address it was, which house it was, too.

Mrs. Lashway: Okay, I had this discussion with her. She would say, “Dock across from 28 Sandshore Road.” It doesn’t necessarily mean that if I live at 28 that that’s my dock.

President Perkins: …mean that that’s the people that own it.

Mrs. Lashway: There are houses that don’t have Lake property, and there are people who own Lake property that live in other parts of Town. So I had recommended that she give me that map and list and I’d let the Lake Committee try to help identify whose docks they are, because those people usually…

Mrs. Labow: You know what I’m saying? I mean, ten years or fifteen years from now we’ll have people coming up here saying that they’re grandfathered in and there’s no record of it. I would just like to…

President Perkins: Alright, same as commercial.

Mr. Tepper: If there’s no picture then they’re not grandfathered.

President Perkins: Russ, did you want to…?

Mr. Tepper: No, I was just going to say that if there was no picture, that was the whole purpose of taking the pictures.

President Perkins: Taking the pictures, that’s right.

Mr. Tepper: It’s not grandfathered. Now, the other point is that there is a current ordinance on the books that says they have to have their names and addresses on all of these docks. That’s a whole different issue and I don’t think we should confuse the two together.

Mrs. Labow: No, alright, thank you.

President Perkins: Any other discussion? Seeing none, Roll Call, please.

ROLL CALL – Defeated with Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Tepper, Mrs. Labow, and President Perkins voting no. Mr. Roman voted yes.

Mayor Scapicchio: After all that.

Mrs. Labow: After all that.

Mr. Greenbaum: That’s the way it’s supposed to work.

Mr. Tepper: It makes no sense to have an ordinance that’s not enforceable.

President Perkins: The ordinance has been defeated. Ord. #48-2008 was defeated. That takes us to the Consent Resolutions Agenda. Is there any item? Mr. Greenbaum?

CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:

Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.

CONSENT RESOLUTIONS

1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Approving the Document Entitled “Disaster Preparation Plan for Records Retrieval and Recovery – Township of Mount Olive – Morris County – New Jersey.” PDF Resolution

2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a Further Extension of Time to Rachel Manor Properties, LLC Within Which to Complete Improvements. PDF Resolution

3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to First Priority Emergency Vehicles for (1) 2009 Type III Ambulance for Flanders Rescue Squad. PDF Resolution

4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a Contract with Walker Diving for the Cleaning of the Cloverhill Treatment Plant Aeration Tank Under the “Non-Fair And Open” Contracts in Accordance with the Pay-To-Play Law. PDF Resolution

5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a Professional Services Agreement with CMX for Engineering Services in Connection with the Construction of Trails at Turkey Brook Park. PDF Resolution

6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing an Agreement with the Mount Olive Township Historical Society to Use Office Space at the Blue Atlas Building at Block 4500 Lot 8. PDF Resolution

7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to Aristocrat Limousine & Bus Co. for Bus (motor coach) Transportation for 2008-2009. PDF Resolution

Mr. Greenbaum: Six.

Mr. Sohl: I think we’d like it pulled completely, right?

Mr. Greenbaum: Yes, pull it.

Mr. Sohl: Administration does not oppose pulling it.

Mr. Tepper: Even if you did we could still…

Mr. Sohl: For the record.

Mr. Greenbaum: I make a motion to have it pulled, deleted.

Mrs. Labow: Second.

President Perkins: All in favor?

AYE

President Perkins: That will be removed.

Mr. Tepper: Now it’s still one through six.

PUBLIC PORTION ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS - none

President Perkins: Anyone from the public wish to speak on any of the Consent Resolutions numbers one through five and number seven? Seeing nothing from the public, I close it to the public. Council comments or questions? Let’s see, Colleen, would you please introduce the resolutions?

Mrs. Labow: Yes, thank you, Mr. President. I’d like to move resolutions one through five and number seven.

President Perkins: Do I have a second?

Mr. Greenbaum: Second.

COUNCIL COMMENTS ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS - none

President Perkins: Thank you. Any other comments from Council? Seeing none, Roll Call.

ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously

RESOLUTIONS NON CONSENT - none

PUBLIC PORTION ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS - none

COUNCIL COMMENTS ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS - none

MOTIONS

President Perkins: That takes us to Motions. Mr. Roman, would you move the first motion, please?

Mr. Roman: I move the motion for:

1. Approval of Raffle Application #2272 for PTA Mt. Olive; Raffle Application #2273, #2274 & #2275 for Sandshore Home and School Partnership; and Application to Amend Bingo License #2266 for the Budd Lake Fire Co. #1.

Mrs. Labow: Second.

President Perkins: Any comments? Roll Call, please.

ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously

President Perkins: That takes us to the Bill List. Mr. Greenbaum?

Mr. Greenbaum: I’ll move it.

2. Bill List.

Mr. Tepper: Second.

President Perkins: Any other discussions, comments? Seeing none, Roll Call.

ROLL CALL – Passed Unanimously

ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS

President Perkins: That takes us to Administrative Matters. Mr. Sohl, anything else?

Mrs. Labow: No, you forgot New Business.

President Perkins: No, I didn’t.

Mrs. Labow: Oh, I’m sorry. I was jumping ahead. Sorry.

President Perkins: That’s alright. Mr. Sohl, anything else from Administration?

Mr. Sohl: Nothing else from Administration.

President Perkins: Thank you. Old Business? New Business?

OLD BUSINESS - none

NEW BUSINESS

Mrs. Labow: New Business.

President Perkins: Mrs. Labow?

Mrs. Labow: Actually, I’m speaking for Mr. Rattner. Should I lower my voice a little bit?

Mr. Tepper: Speak faster.

Mrs. Labow: Speak faster? Mr. Rattner wants to let everyone know that the Morris County Transportation Workshop sponsored by Freeholder Feyl is on the 16th. He is our representative to the North Jersey Transportation Planning Authority, NJTPA. This is to get our input to the plan that runs through 2035. Since all federally funded transportation projects in the region must have their roots in the plan, he wants to make sure that we have included the Mayor’s rail proposal and bus service that has been socialized for years. Any
Mrs. Labow (cont’d): suggestions can be put on the table and we will receive assistance on how to ensure our proposals are included. So what he’s saying basically is if we’re not in on this meeting and we don’t make our desires known, we may not get a shot at it. Thank you.

Mr. Sohl: So is Mr. Rattner putting that on the table?

Mrs. Labow: Yes, he wants to make sure that we’re going…

Mr. Sohl: If he’s going to be there then put it on. I mean, I’m not going to be here.

Mrs. Labow: You’re not going to be there?

Mr. Sohl: No, I’m off.

Mrs. Labow: Okay.

President Perkins: No one will be there.

Mrs. Labow: So there’s not going to be any representation from Mount Olive unless, I think Steve’s planning on being there. I mean, perhaps you can reach out to… When are you leaving?

Mr. Sohl: I’m leaving Friday.

Mrs. Labow: Friday? So maybe if the Administration…

Mr. Sohl: If you can leave me that I’ll try to contact them tomorrow.

Mrs. Labow: Okay. I have one more thing to report and I’ll give you this.

Mr. Tepper: Quickly.

Mrs. Labow: No, it’s not, Committee Reports.

President Perkins: Any other New Business? Seeing no other New Business, that takes us to Legal Matters. Mr. Semrau?

LEGAL MATTERS

Mr. Semrau: No report this evening, Council President. Thank you.

COUNCIL REPORTS

Recreation Liaison Report

President Perkins: Mr. Roman, Recreation?

Mr. Roman: Yes, at the last Recreation meeting some items of note. The Recreation is looking for a High School student to announce the upcoming Recreation programs in their announcements, thus hoping to increase the participation. Also, Flanders Park will more than likely get a concession hot dog cart coming this summer. One vendor was guided through the steps they have to take. Through the efficiency of government, they were advised that this could take four to six months. The possibility of having that at the Budd Lake beach, because Township ordinance says that you cannot locate a temporary merchant within 1,000 feet of a similar establishment, and Lake View Plaza has a restaurant, that’s why Budd Lake beach cannot get a food cart or a temporary food vendor. That’s it for Recreation.

Mrs. Lashway: Who told the vendor it’s going to take four to six months? I’ve already talked to them. They’re fingerprinted and it takes about eight weeks. Who told them four to six months?

Mr. Roman: That is according to what Jill advised, that it would take them. Through all of the ten steps.

Mr. Tepper: So think about this then. They’ll be very happy when it takes less time when if we told them less and it took more, they’d be unhappy.

President Perkins: They’d be unhappy.

Mr. Roman: That’s the way I usually do it. You’re car will be done tomorrow and when it’s done today, they’re happy.

President Perkins: They’re happy. That’s right. Thank you, Mr. Roman. Board of Health Report, Mrs. Labow.

Board of Health Report

Mrs. Labow: We meet tomorrow night, but the one thing I did want to bring up after speaking with Mr. Wilpert this afternoon is that there has been some, we’ve had conversations about having mutual shared services with the County for animal control. He went to a meeting on Thursday and found out that the County is not planning on funding this program at all, and what they’re looking for is that the municipalities who are going to participate, the cost would be $7,300 a month.

Mr. Sohl: Which is totally wrong.

Mrs. Labow: That’s wrong?

Mr. Sohl: Bogus, wrong.

Mrs. Labow: That’s what Frank came from the meeting.

Mr. Sohl: That’s what the County told us.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, but that’s wrong now?

Mr. Sohl: The County’s number is totally wrong.

Mrs. Labow: How so?

Mr. Sohl: Because it’s predicated on 39 municipalities with 100% participation.

Mrs. Labow: So it could be more?

President Perkins: Yes.

Mr. Sohl: It is absolutely going to be more.

Mrs. Labow: That’s what he said, that the basic, that’s if all 39 municipalities participate it would be $7,300 per month which is a capital cost. Right now, the way we are doing it by having Golub Animal Hospital boarding the animals, because that’s for the boarding facility, it’s costing us thousands of dollars less. So we’re better off not getting involved in this.

Mr. Sohl: We agree completely.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, the shared service, and he asked me to report that this evening.

President Perkins: Thank you. Planning Board, Mr. Tepper.

Planning Board Report

Mr. Tepper: Planning Board meets this Thursday. Our meeting last week was cancelled.

President Perkins: Board of Adjustment, Mr. Roman.

Board of Adjustment Liaison Report

Mr. Roman: At the last meeting there was only one application, the former plumbing business across from Budd Lake itself, applied for change of use. They got approved and the first floor is going to be retail. The second floor they are proposing a restaurant.

President Perkins: With windows overlooking the Lake.

Mrs. Labow: That building…

Mr. Greenbaum: They have design issues, though. They need a lot of waivers, parking.

Mrs. Labow: Oh, really?

President Perkins: I don’t know where they’re going to park there.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, there’s no parking there.

Mr. Greenbaum: They’re going to have to put it behind.

Mrs. Labow: But isn’t that in the preservation?

Mr. Greenbaum: No, I don’t think so. I think they can do it but aesthetically it’s going to be a problem.

President Perkins: Open Space, Mrs. Labow.

Open Space Committee Report

Mrs. Labow: Yes, my mistake, I didn’t realize that they were meeting last night. I thought with Town Hall being closed the meeting was cancelled, but I did speak to Kathy Murphy this afternoon. She said they discussed the Open Space tax issue on the referendum on the ballot, and I understand that they are planning on sending a letter to the papers to try and clarify the issue for the voters. That’s it.

Legislative Committee Report

President Perkins: Thank you. Mr. Rattner is not here for the Legislative Committee report.

Mrs. Labow: Okay, I…

Mr. Greenbaum: Do you want me to answer that for Steve?

Mr. Tepper: None, none.

President Perkins: No.

Mrs. Labow: I’ve got the Environmental one.

President Perkins: I’ve had a brief meeting with the 24th Legislative District. They’re petitioning the Board of Public Utilities and the Department of Community Affairs. Obviously COAH is one of the big concerns. They had the breakfast meeting, Bill, in Chester. Did you make the…?

Mr. Sohl: Yes, I did.

President Perkins: You made that. So that was one of the concerns. We’re looking at having the COAH units that must be built to be able to participate in any of the energy programs.

Mr. Tepper: Isn’t there a meeting coming up between Sussex, Warren and Morris?

Mrs. Labow: Thursday night.

Mr. Tepper: Thursday night with Doria there where someone might be able to address this. I have a Planning Board meeting.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, I’m going.

President Perkins: They’ve already sent the letter off to the Board of Public Utilities, so we’ll have to see how that works. Pride Committee, Mrs. Labow.

Pride Committee Liaison Report

Mrs. Labow: Pride Committee meets next week.

Board of Education Liaison Report

President Perkins: Board of Education. Mr. Tobey is not here. Lake Environmental Issues, Colleen.

Lake/Environment Issues Committee

Mrs. Labow: I’m reporting for Mr. Rattner. Lake Environmental Issues. Amy Cradic, Assistant DEP Commissioner, Natural and Historic Resources, will be attending the October 15th Lake Musconetcong Regional Planning Board meeting. While her purpose is to discuss Lake Musconetcong issues, it is open to the public and the Chairman will allow all questions. The meeting is 7:00 pm at the Netcong Municipal building. Ms. Cradic is responsible for Historic Preservation, Fish and Wildlife, Parks and Forestry, Engineering, Construction, and Green Acres. Thank you. Regards, Steve.

Mr. Tepper: But what does that have to do with our Lake?

Mrs. Labow: It’s probably just informational.

Mr. Roman: Environmental.

Mrs. Labow: Environmental information.

Mr. Tepper: Having to do with Mount Olive?

Mrs. Labow: Well, it’s Lake / Environment.

Mr. Roman: If I may…

Mr. Tepper: Okay, by the way they’re doing something in California on water purification too around Lakes.

President Perkins: I appreciate that.

Mrs. Labow: So bad.

Mr. Roman: If I may jump on, aren’t we lowering the Lake?

Mrs. Labow: Yes, that’s a good question. Are we allowed to do that?

Mr. Tepper: Sorry, we’re in reports now not questions.

President Perkins: Questions, yes.

Mrs. Lashway: We don’t lower the Lake.

Mr. Roman: Because I saw that memo coming across that Tim was going to remove the weir boards to lower the Lake.

Mrs. Lashway: The last big storm Dave Jones wanted him to pull the plug.

Mr. Greenbaum: No, that’s not what I heard. What Alex is talking about is that there was some discussion that the Lake level was going to be lowered for weed control purposes.

Mrs. Labow: To help cut down on costs.

Mr. Sohl: That’s in Hopatcong.

Mr. Greenbaum: No.

Mrs. Labow: That came from Jill.

Mr. Greenbaum: That’s what I heard.

Mr. Tepper: It was discussion for our Lake.

Mrs. Labow: Jill Daggon sent that email the other day.

Mr. Sohl: Why would Jill have anything to do with it?

Mrs. Labow: Because the Recreation Committee or somebody had asked for it.

Mr. Greenbaum: I think it came up at the Recreation Advisory Committee.

Mrs. Lashway: Tim Quinn is the dam manager and he’s the only person that is allowed to touch that.

Mr. Roman: But he authorized it.

Mr. Tepper: When you say the “dam manager,” do you mean d-a-m, or d-a-m-n?

Mr. Greenbaum: I think it came up at the Recreation Advisory, that’s where I heard it. It came up at the Recreation Advisory meeting which Tim was present at and it was discussed. Did we get something back from Tim on that?

Mr. Tepper: Why is Tim at the Recreation…?

Mrs. Lashway: And Princeton Hydro will be giving a report on the results of what they’ve done, and maybe if they recommended that, that be done for future maintenance of the weeds, but I don’t think Tim is just going to go and do that.

Mrs. Labow: That’s what the email…

Mr. Tepper: I think that’s what Rob is asking. Can someone speak to Tim and find out directly if it’s true, and if so, the rationale? Not to put words in his mouth.

Mr. Greenbaum: Thank you.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, I’ll send you the email, Lisa.

Mrs. Lashway: It affects the water temperature of the breeding trout downstream. You’re not allowed to just lift it.

President Perkins: They die.

Mr. Sohl: Tim Quinn was at this meeting?

Mr. Tepper: Fully adequate of speaking for yourself.

Mr. Greenbaum: Sometimes, depends on how much I’ve had to drink.

Mr. Sohl: Tim who?

Mrs. Labow: Well, then ask the dam manager about it.

Mr. Tepper: Well, then just become a little bit more loquacious.

President Perkins: Safety Committee Liaison, Mr. Greenbaum.

Mr. Sohl: Wait, wait, wait. Tim who? Which Tim was at the meeting?

Mr. Tepper: Tim Quinn.

Mrs. Labow: Tim Quinn.

Mr. Roman: No, I wasn’t at the last Recreation and I don’t see anything that says that Tim was there, but I saw the email that came from Tim saying that he was going to do it.

Mrs. Labow: Is there another Tim?

Mr. Greenbaum: Ask Tim.

Mrs. Labow: At the next opportunity he was going to remove the weir board.

Mr. Tepper: Alright, so we’ll ask him in the morning.

Mrs. Labow: Bill, I’ll forward you the email.

Mr. Greenbaum: Safety Committee.

President Perkins: Yes, forward all of us the, because I haven’t seen the email.

Mr. Greenbaum: I haven’t seen the email either.

Mr. Roman: It came out of Recreation.

President Perkins: Neither has the Clerk.

Mr. Roman: No, it came out of Recreation.

Mr. Tepper: Mr. Russell, have you seen the email?

President Perkins: Yes, Safety Committee, Mr. Greenbaum.

Safety Committee Liaison

Mr. Greenbaum: We were supposed to meet tomorrow night to discuss the choice between St. Claire’s and Atlantic, but lo and behold, Budd Lake Rescue, Frank DeCarlo is unavailable until mid-November.

Mr. Tepper: He can’t delay…

Mr. Greenbaum: November 5th. There was a whole long email that came from Budd Lake Rescue in terms of their concerns about going to a paid ambulance squad, and it appears that Budd Lake Rescue is dragging their feet at this point in time, so to speak, in terms of their desire not to go to a paid ambulance service. Although the Committee as a whole, when we looked at the issue, agreed that there is a problem and that it potentially could be a big problem at some point in the future if one or two drivers of either of the rescue squads who do the daytime coverage were suddenly unavailable to do the daytime coverage, which really was the justification for the Committee moving forward with this paid service, which basically will benefit the Township in terms of coverage and will cost the individual homeowner who uses the services and who doesn’t have insurance, nothing, either through Atlantic, saying that they would not take it to collections, or though St. Claire’s charity care. So ultimately what I expect to have happen is that there will be a recommendation coming out of the Safety Committee which Budd Lake Rescue will not be in favor of, and Flanders Rescue will be in favor of, and the Police and the two Fire Departments will be in favor of in terms of one of the two services. I heard through the grapevine that Budd Lake Rescue would like to put this as a referendum on November’s ballot to find out whether or not…

Mrs. Labow: It’s too late for that.

Mr. Greenbaum: I know it can’t be done. This is what I heard through the grapevine, that they want to put it on the ballot to discuss whether or not the Township should create their own paid EMS as opposed to going to a paid outside existing service. Be that as it may, I know there’s a newspaper article coming out in the Chronicle this week. I’ve been told by people who have seen the article that it appears that I have provided all of the information related to the article, which is not true. I did speak to Claire Knapp. I gave her whatever had been discussed in the Committee. Certainly if it says that we’re looking at anything other than 6 – 6 daytime coverage, that’s inaccurate. I’ve heard that it says that we’re looking for daytime, nighttime, weekend time. Obviously, we’re not looking to replace what we have existing. Those wonderful volunteers who have devoted so much of their time and effort for this Township, we’re looking to supplement at this point to provide basic daytime coverage for Mount Olive. That’s what we’re looking for and there’s going to be, it’s going to be a hotbed issue ultimately when it gets to this level. To the extent that you believe daytime coverage is appropriate, I think you’re going to have to stand up with me and basically take the position that we’ve looked at this issue for a long, long time. We know it works in other towns. It’s been studied and it has come out of the Safety Committee as a recommendation and it’s unfortunate, but I believe that Budd Lake Rescue to the end is going to be in opposition to any change. If I didn’t believe that it was ultimately necessary, I would stand with Budd Lake Rescue, but I’ve been convinced otherwise.

President Perkins: Is there actually going to be a meeting tomorrow night?

Mr. Greenbaum: There is not.

President Perkins: No?

Mr. Greenbaum: No, and right now November 5th is the next potential date.

Mr. Sohl: Next potential date.

President Perkins: Are they still making the quarterly meetings?

Mr. Sohl: I would say more frequent than that.

Mr. Greenbaum: More frequent because we’re dealing with this issue.

President Perkins: Okay, Russ?

Mr. Tepper: I absolutely agree that we have to have coverage in order to protect our residents, whether it be provided by volunteers or by paid. What I would like to understand and to make sure that we’re doing everything we can, is that we look to people like Paragon Village who are providing a great demand on this
Mr. Tepper (cont’d): particular service as a way to have people driven to medical visits, etc. that they are fulfilling their obligation to have their own transportation, which I believe they had committed to doing when they first established. So I would like to understand what they’re doing or what the situation is with that, and if we can bill them now even for volunteer people doing this because of the fact that they are not fulfilling their obligation to provide their own service for their own residents.

Mr. Greenbaum: Well, my understanding is that we can’t bill because of the way it’s set up. We can’t bill. If it was set up as a separate organization you could bill but then it would change all of the other factors in terms of funding, so on and so forth. There was some discussion about Paragon Village in terms of Budd Lake actually telling them that they’re not going to come on certain calls because they can tell that it’s a non-emergency call, but it’s a very fine line.

Mr. Tepper: How do you tell? A person can’t breathe. They’re 80 years old.

Mrs. Labow: When they’re there with their suitcase you know.

Mr. Greenbaum: But notwithstanding that, that is now going to be the paid ambulance services’ responsibility…

Mr. Tepper: Let them bill them.

Mr. Greenbaum: …and let them bill it back to Medicare or Medicaid.

Mr. Tepper: Great, that’s a perfect solution.

Mr. Greenbaum: You know what, the paid ambulance squads are still going to be available for daytime calls to the extent that they’re available. They can go to the scene and be the first responders, the volunteers.

Mrs. Labow: The volunteers.

Mr. Greenbaum: The only thing that’s going to change is that the transport obligation is going to be with the paid services.

Mr. Tepper: And that’s fine because that’ll take a lot of pressure off of our volunteers.

Mr. Greenbaum: And as I said, we have tried to make it a condition, although we haven’t taken it that far, that any of the volunteers that are looking for full-time paid jobs out of Mount Olive are going to be hired to cover Mount Olive. I believe Atlantic has committed to that so that we are going to be taking our volunteers who truly want to do it as a profession, and we’re going to get them paid through the services that we retain.

President Perkins: What’s ironic is in this Sunday’s job opportunities in the Star Ledger, there were at least two if not three advertisements for paid EMTs. It is a growing business. I think we all understand that, Rob. I share everyone’s concern, we all do. These ladies and gentleman that have been out there as volunteers all this time, they’re being stretched. When I sat on that Safety Committee, you heard the same horror stories. When it’s 45 minutes to get an ambulance to your house when one of your family is sick or ill and has to be transported, that is just unacceptable in today’s modern lifestyle. If we can’t rely on our people, and it’s through no fault of their own. This is tough times. We have two family members at work, kids, daycare, everything was setup at the Mount Olive Childcare and Learning Center for those people to be able to utilize as a drop off, a free service. Some of them took advantage of it. Bill has solicited throughout the municipal building to try to find more people that might be interested in doing that, that would work here. I know John Geiger has been running out quite often to drive. We’re stretching a workforce that is here to cover something else that could be covered during the daytime. So you’re talking 12 hour shifts, five days a week. The volunteers are there in the evenings. They still get their LOSAPS. They get all of their training that’s provided for by the Township. The only savings I see is that there’s going to be less mileage and less equipment, hopefully, that will be used. What that will be exponentially I don’t think is going to be a phenomenal amount of money. I don’t think any of us our looking at it from a costing issue. We’re looking at it strictly from a public safety issue.

Mr. Greenbaum: That’s exactly what I told the newspaper, and you know what…

Mr. Tepper: We’ll see if you were quoted accurately.

Mr. Greenbaum: I think the problem was worse some time ago when we were all hearing about it on a regular basis, and perhaps part of that was the fact that Jim Buell was sitting up here. So we were a little closer, but I think the problem was worse a little while ago. It’s gotten a little bit better, but it’s bound to get worse again just depending upon coverage. We need to be ahead of the curve on this one. I’ve spoken to Randolph and I encourage anyone to call Jim at Randolph in terms of how…

Mrs. Labow: John.

Mr. Greenbaum: John. Anyone who has any questions about whether or not it’s working in Randolph to the extent that John is a straight shooter. He’ll tell you it’s the best thing they ever did.

Mrs. Labow: Yes, that’s what he told me. I called as well. He said that their volunteers fought it, and fought it, and fought it. Once they did it, they didn’t realize how close they were to burnout. They were just very happy that they had done it and it was just a big relief all the way around.

Mr. Greenbaum: But I’m telling you it’s going to become a political potato.

President Perkins: Great timing. Moving right along, Solid Waste Advisory Committee, Mrs. Labow.

Finance Committee Report

Economic Development Committee Report

Solid Waste Advisory Committee Report

Mrs. Labow: It’s interesting. Solid Waste Advisory Committee doesn’t seem to be meeting anymore. We were supposed to have a meeting last Wednesday. In the past I’ve taken the initiative to double check if we’re going to have a meeting or not, although I’m only the Council Liaison. Last week I decided not to make that effort and nobody else did either.

President Perkins: Good.

Mrs. Labow: So, it’s not meeting. The Committee has not been meeting.

President Perkins: Library Board, Mr. Tepper.

Library Board Liaison

Mr. Tepper: The Library Board is meeting tomorrow. One of the topics is looking at the current status of the search for a new director.

PUBLIC PORTION - none

COUNCIL COMMENTS

President Perkins: Excellent. That opens us up to the last public portion. Anyone from the public wish to be heard on any other items. Seeing none, I close it to the public. Council Comments, Mr. Greenbaum.

Mr. Greenbaum: None.

President Perkins: Mr. Tepper?

Mr. Tepper: None, thank you.

President Perkins: Mr. Roman?

Mr. Roman: None.

President Perkins: Mrs. Labow?

Mrs. Labow: I just have a quick one. I just want to thank Council President Perkins as well as Council Presidents in the past that we have that moment of silence for our service men and women protecting our country. I just want to say that my nephew, my brother deceased 28 years ago. My nephew is over in Kuwait right now. He will be going over to Iraq in three weeks, and I do have one nephew in the Air Force that just came back. So it is nice to take that moment of reflection and wish our service people well. I do thank you for allowing us to do that.

President Perkins: That’s great. One interesting piece of news that I have as a comment, I got a call today from a company. It’s a veteran, it’s called Homes for Our Troops. They literally are building homes for the severely wounded troops from Iraq that are returning. I will be working on a project in Hillsdale on a home that’s going to be built free of charge for one of these veterans. So it should be a mighty interesting project. It’s actually going to be LEED platinum. They’re going to make this thing a high performance LEED, green home. So it’s wonderful. I’ll now take a motion to adjourn.

ADJOURNMENT - Motion was made and seconded, all in favor and none opposed, the meeting was adjourned at 10:30 pm.

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Raymond T. Perkins, Council President

I, LISA M. LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on October 28, 2008.

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Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk
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