COUNCIL PUBLIC MEETING MINUTES - August 9, 2011

 

OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT ANNOUNCEMENT

Mrs. Lashway: According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of this meeting has been given to the Daily Record. Notice has been posted at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mount Olive Township, New Jersey and notices were sent to those requesting the same.

 

ROLL CALL

 

Present: Mrs. Labow, Mr. Mania, Mr. Perkins, Mr. Roman, Mr. Walsh, Mr. Tobey

Mr. Greenbaum was absent for the beginning and arrived at Public Portion at end of meeting (7:29 pm).

 

Absent: None

 

Also Present: Mayor David Scapicchio, Sherry Maniscalco, CFO; John Dorsey Township Attorney; Fred Semrau, Township Attorney; Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk; William Sohl; Business Administrator

 

President Tobey: We are up to Approval of Minutes of Previous Meetings. Mrs. Labow, would you be

so kind?

 

APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS

 

July 12, 2011 WS & PM (Mr. Tobey and Mr. Walsh absent)

July 26, 2011 Special PM (all present)

 

Mrs. Labow: Yes, I would like to make a motion to move the Minutes from the July 12, 2011,

Workshop and Public Meeting and July 26, 2011, Special Public Meeting.

 

Mr. Mania: Second.

 

President Tobey: It's been moved and seconded. Let the record reflect that Mr. Walsh has joined us. Roll Call please.

 

ROLL CALL: Passed, Mr. Walsh abstained on both and Mr. Tobey abstained on the July 12, 2011, WS &PM.

 

CORRESPONDENCE

LETTERS FROM RESIDENTS/ORGANIZATIONS

 

  1. E-mail received July 6, 2011, from Rutgers regarding Register for Public Performance measurement On Line Certificate program. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 11, 2011, from Jack and Mary Ann Bury regarding a letter to the Editor concerning Flanders Netcong Road. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 11, 2011, from PPMRN regarding Last Day to Register for PPM 100 is Wednesday, July 13, 2011. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 12, 2011, from Beth Styler Barry regarding MWA holds two River Talks on Dam Removal on the musky in the month of July. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 15, 2011, from Susan Zellman, Executive Director for the Housing Partnership regarding Foreclosure Seminar August 3, 2011. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 25, 2011, from the Bob Canace regarding the Heritage Conservancy's application for open space acquisition. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 24, 2011, from Gene Mazurczyk regarding Flanders Netcong Rd Opening. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 25, 2011, from Dilip Raghu regarding Flanders Netcong Road Opening – Public meeting July 26. PDF Correspondence.

 

  1. Letter received July 25, 2011, from Francisco Negron regarding Flanders Netcong Road Opening. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 25, 2011, from Roger Greene regarding the Top 20 Reasons why Flanders Netcong Road Must Remain Closed. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 27, 2011, from Rutgers via MCANJ Web Committee regarding Rutgers Mini MPAT Program.

 

  1. Letter received July 29, 2011, from Stephen Van Houten regarding Mill Road. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 1, 2011, from Women in Municipal Government regarding Nomination Criteria. PDF Correspondence
  2. Letter received August 1, 2011, from Doug Williams regarding OPEN THE ROAD. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 2, 2011, from Downtown New Jersey, regarding 2012 Resource Directory. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 2, 2011, from Warren – Morris Council of Governments regarding Best Practices and Benchmarking Seminar. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 2, 2011, from Trey Kukwa and Jami Walther regarding Opening of Flanders Netcong Road. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 5, 2011, from Dave and Diane Codispoti regarding Open Up Flanders-Netcong Road please? PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 5, 2011, from Trish Colvin Costanza regarding Open Flanders-Netcong Road. PDF Correspondence

NOTICES / RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES OTHER TOWNS

 

  1. Ordinance received July 13, 2011, from Allamuchy Township regarding Land Use. (Proposed amendment to the Affordable Housing ordinance). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Resolution received July 14, 2011, from the Township of Randolph regarding the Urging the Swift passage of S-2762 and A-4084. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Notice received July 20, 2011, from the Township of Roxbury regarding Amendment of the Master Plan. PDF Correspondence

 

DOT / DEP / LOI / HIG HLANDS / EPA / DEPT. OF AGRICULTURE / ABC

 

  1. E-mail received July 6, 2011, from Ray Codey regarding MCMUA Tipping Fees (DEP Ruling). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 11, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Drakes Brook Park BL 4500 Lot 8 (155 Flanders Netcong Road). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 11, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Lamtec Corporation, 700 Bartley – Chester Road. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 15, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Withdrawal of an Application for an Extension of a Letter of Interpretation for Rezamir Estates, Inc. BL 7000 Lots 64.01 through 64.17 (formerly lot 64). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 21, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Saint Jude Church, BL 3807 Lot 1 (17 Mount Olive Road). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 22, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Notice of Public Hearing, 2013 Clean Water Financing Program. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 22, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Letter of Interpretation – Line Verification for Robert Laferrara Block 5800 Lot 17 (19 West Grover Street – Rear). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 25, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Transportation regarding Block 4100 Lot 80, Mount Olive Center Associates (95 Route 46). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 25, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Transportation regarding Block 7702 Lot 81, Ciel West Lake Properties, LLC (325 Route 46). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 25, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Block 7000 Lot 80, Robert Donnelly (79 River Road). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 28, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Transportation regarding Municipal Aid, Bikeway and Safe Streets to Transit. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 29, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Notice of Compliance: Elizabeth Estates, BL 7000, Lot 63. (9 Shop Lane) PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received August 1, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Public Notification for LNA Flanders Service Station, BL 6800 Lot 5 (292 Route 206 South). PDF Correspondence

 

LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES

 

  1. E-mail received July 6, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Attention Municipal Officers. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 7, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Assisted Living Facility Opportunity. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 7, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding ADDED DATE: Understanding the New Pensions & health Benefits Law Seminar II. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 7, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding REMINDER, Articles requested for October NJM. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 8, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding 2011 Salary Survey Now AVAILABLE. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 11, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding July 27 th Seminar SOLD OUT. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 11, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding IMPORTANT NOTICE: August 11 Seminar SOLD OUT. PDF Correspondence
  2. E-mail received July 11, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Please Help Municipalities In Need of Transitional Aid. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 12, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding House Transportation Reauthorization Bill Slashes Spending & Consolidates Programs. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 12, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding First Effort to Restore Municipal Property Tax Funding Fails Supplemental Appropriation will be Needed. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 12, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Announcing the Bonner Scholars Program. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 12, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding NEW DATE ADDED FOR Understanding the New Pensions & Health Benefits Law. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 13, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Reminder! Emergency Management: Utilities & Shore Communities. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 13, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding A-4126, Statutory Deadline for Municipalities to Act on Defeated School Budgets. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 13, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding State of CY 2011 Property Tax Bill & Statement of State Aid. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 14, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding 7/14/2011-4. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 14, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Governor Issues Pension Savings. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Legislative Bulletin received July 15, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Bills that were Enacted as Public Laws of 2011. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 15, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Best Practices Checklist. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 18, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding OPRA Seminar October. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 18, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Federal Update. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 19, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Tax Dollars 7-19-2011. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 19, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding From Time to Time. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 20, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Health Benefits. PDF Correspondence
  2. E-mail received July 20, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Roebling Mansion. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 20, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding OPRA Seminar. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 20, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Senior Property Tax. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 20, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Corrected Senior Property Tax. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 21, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding State Aid. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 22, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding State Aid Correction. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 22, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Health Benefits Update. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 25, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding ADDED DATE For Upcoming Seminar and DLGS Guidance on Pensions & Health Benefits Reforms. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 26, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Federal Alert, Pace Legislation Introduced in Congress and Law Requiring Employees to Live in State Effect Sept. 1 st . PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 26, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Upcoming League Seminar (OPRA). PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 26, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Woodbridge Twp will again host the 2011 NJ Senior Olympic Games.

 

  1. E-mail received July 26, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding REMINDER of an Upcoming League Seminar. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 27, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Upcoming League Seminar – Labor negotiation Primer. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 27, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding REMINDER of an Upcoming NJLM Educational Foundation Event. PDF Correspondence
  2. E-mail received July 27, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Supreme Court Decision on Civil Service “Rule of Three.” PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 27, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding New Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery Grant Availability. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 29, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Washington Watch-Debt Ceiling. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 29, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding NJSDC Workshops. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 1, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Civil Service Commission Recent “Rule of Three” Court Decision. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 1, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding S-2950 / A-4128, Allows Modifications to Land use Approvals and August Grant Page Posted. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 2, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding August 16 th League Seminar. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 2, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding League Upcoming Seminar. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 2, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Debt Ceiling Reached. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 2, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Monmouth Poll Results Confirm Citizen Satisfaction w/ Local Gov and 10 th Anniversary of September 11 th . PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 3, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding NJLM Mayor's Newsline. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 4, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding CEU Tracking System for League Conference. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 4, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Calendar of Statewide Activities to Honor memory of 9/11 Victims. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 4, 2011, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Reminder – Mayor's Hall of Fame Deadline. PDF Correspondence

 

DCA

 

  1. E-mailed received July 8, 2011, from the Department of Community Affairs regarding 2011 Governors Excellence in Housing and Economic Development Awards. PDF Correspondence
  2. E-mailed received July 13, 2011, from the Department of Community Affairs regarding State of CY 2011 Property Tax Bills and Statements of State Aid. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mailed received July 15, 2011, from the Department of Community Affairs regarding Pensions and Benefits Issues Update. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Local Finance Notice received July 25, 2011, from the Department of Community Affairs. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Local Finance Notice received August 2, 2011, from the Department of Community Affairs. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 4, 2011, from Department of Community Affairs regarding GovConnect Update: August 4, 2011.

 

STATE OF NEW JERSEY / MORRIS COUNTY

 

  1. Letter received July 19, 2011, from the State of New Jersey, Office of the Governor regarding budget reform. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Minutes received July 27, 2011, from the Morris County Planning Board regarding the June 16, 2011 meeting. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 29, 2011, from Morris County Economic Development Corporation regarding Quarterly Newsletter. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received August 2, 2011, from Morris County Planning and Development regarding Planning and Development News. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received August 3, 2011, from the Morris County Board of Chosen Freeholders regarding Resolution in Support of State Senate bill No. 2976. PDF Correspondence

 

MSA / MUA

 

  1. Minutes received July 28, 2011, from the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding the June 1 st meeting. PDF Correspondence

 

UTILITIES

 

  1. Service List received July 5, 2011, from New Jersey Natural Gas. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Notice received July 11, 2011, from PSE&G regarding Brush Mowing. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. E-mail received July 14, 2011, from Kevin Watsey regarding New Jersey American Water Launches Facebook. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Letter received July 19, 2011, from New Jersey Natural Gas regarding a daily list of disconnected residential customers. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Notice of Public Hearing received July 25, 2011, from Pivotal Utility Holdings, Inc., d/b/a Elizabethtown Gas.

 

  1. Notice of Public Hearing received July 25, 2011, from NJ Transit.

 

  1. Fax received July 26, 2011, from Comcast regarding Digital Adapter Service Available. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Fax received July 28, 2011, from Comcast regarding New Bundles and the Jewish Channel on Demand launch. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Notice received August 5, 2011, from NJ Natural Gas regarding Approval of Changes in the Company's Tariff for Gas Service. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Notice received August 5, 2011, from NJ Natural Gas regarding the Associated Cost Recovery Mechanisms. PDF Correspondence

 

  1. Notice received August 5, 2011, from NJ Natural Gas regarding Preliminary Greenhouse Gas Initiative Programs. PDF Correspondence

 

TORT CLAIMS / SUMMONS / COMPLAINTS

 

  1. Summons received July 7, 2011, from the Superior Court of New Jersey regarding Rainor v. Lisa Ausland, Karen Ausland, Maryanne Mahlau and the Township of Mount Olive. PDF Correspondence

 

President Tobey: We have 111 pieces of Correspondence. Is there any discussion at this time? Mr. Roman.

 

Mr. Roman: I'm sure we all received the Correspondence regarding the opening of Flanders Netcong Road. Mr. Mayor, have we made any progress in moving forward with some of the items that we discussed at the last meeting?

 

Mayor Scapicchio: I have. We had a meeting with Captain Gardner and Fred Detoro, our Emergency Management Coordinator. Fred has located a firm that happens to be in Flanders that has electric operated gates that use radio frequency. So Fred is in the process of getting some quotes for that and I should have that next week.

 

President Tobey: Mr. Mania.

 

Mr. Mania: Have we made any progress about relocating the ambulances?

 

Mayor Scapicchio: John, that's a question that I asked both the Captain and Fred and I made that suggestion. They told me that Blue Atlas was the best location in their minds for it. I also found out that when there is an incident in Budd Lake, they actually dispatch from the hospital. They assured me that the location was not an issue.

 

President Tobey: Ms. Labow?

 

Mrs. Labow: I just want to say that after the meeting last or two weeks ago, I had somebody who is involved in the emergency response had told me that the thing with the emergency vehicles, where the problem comes in is when the paramedics are dispatched, they are dispatched from Chester and they are dispatched for usually life and death or serious situations where they need the paramedics, different than and EMT. What happened in the past year on three occasions when they came through from Chester, they actually went down Flanders Netcong Road because that's the way the GPS would bring them depending on your GPS. Some say bring you that way, some don't and that was the incident that they knew of that three times the paramedics ended up and had to turn around and come back and now they are on a life or death call, a serious injury call and that's the part that comes in to concern. So for them to do something with an electronic gate, we're going to outfit all of the paramedics as well because you don't know whose GPS is saying what.

 

Mayor Scapicchio: Colleen, I'm told that the radio frequency is really the best solution because they can all enter the frequency and open that gate automatically and I believe Fred told me that it actually operates from a distance of, I believe he said 100 or 150 feet away.

 

Mr. Roman: I'm sure we will have further discussion before we go ahead.

 

Mayor Scapicchio: We will.

 

Mr. Roman: Okay.

 

Mayor Scapicchio: I hope to have something next week for Council.

 

President Tobey: Any other questions regarding any Correspondence? Seeing none, moving on to:

 

ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEAR ING

 

President Tobey: I open the hearing to the public on:

 

Ord.#22-2011 Bond Ordinance Providing a Supplemental Appropriation of $17,000 for the Resurfacing of Cloverhill Drive in and by the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey and Authorizing the Issuance of $17,000 Bonds or Notes of the Township for Financing Part of the Appropriation.

 

President Tobey: Does anyone from the public wish to be heard? Seeing none, Mr. Mania would you

please move Ordinance #22-2011.

 

Mr. Mania: Mr. President, I move for adoption and final passage of Ordinance #22-2011.

 

Mr. Perkins: Second.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. It's been moved and seconded. Any Council discussion? Roll Call please.

 

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

 

President Tobey: Ordinance #22-2011 is passed on second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a copy of the same to the Mayor and publish the notice of adoption as required by law. I open the hearing to the public on:

 

Ord.#23-2011 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive, County of Morris, and State of New Jersey Supplementing Certain Portions of Chapter 400, Land Use, Section 400-10, Building Construction, Subsection 400-10(B), Fees, of the Revised General Ordinances with Regards to Plumbing, Electrical and Fire Subcode Fees.

 

President Tobey: Do anyone from the public wish to be heard? Seeing none, Mr. Perkins, would you be

so kind.

 

Mr. Perkins: Yes, Mr. President, I move that Ordinance #23-2011 be moved for adoption and final

passage.

 

Mr. Roman: Second.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. It's been moved and seconded. Any Council discussion? Roll Call please.

 

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

 

President Tobey: Ordinance #23-2011 is passed on second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a copy of the same to the Mayor and publish the notice of adoption as required by law. Moving on, I open the hearing to the public on:

 

Ord.#24-2012 Bond Ordinance Providing for the Acquisition of a Mobi-Mat Vehicle Mobility Mat for Budd Lake Beach in and by the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $14,576 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $13,847 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

 

President Tobey: Does anyone from the public wish to be heard? Seeing none, Mr. Walsh, would you be so

kind.

 

Mr. Walsh: Sure, I move for adoption and final passage of Ordinance #24-2012.

 

Mrs. Lashway: 11, that's a typo.

 

Mr. Walsh: Oh, I'm sorry, 11 (24-2011).

 

President Tobey: Thank you. It's been moved. I'll second that. Any Council discussion? Mrs. Labow.

 

Mrs. Labow: I just know, in going past the beach for the last couple of weeks, I've noticed actually an

alarming, maybe I'll let you update and tell me, there's hardly anybody there at all.

 

Mr. Roman: Weather.

 

Mrs. Labow: Even on the hottest days there's like nobody there. Have you noticed there is less and less?

 

Mr. Roman: I've noticed less people but, it's hard to say. I'm pretty sure Jill has some numbers ready and she

can give us an update as to what and by looking out the corner of my good eye, Sherry, do you have any

numbers available?

 

Mrs. Maniscalco: I don't have any, Alex, but I know that the number of people attending the beach has

definitely dropped because a couple of people have spoke to me about it this week. So if you want, I'll talk to

Jill and I'm sure she has something she can send you.

 

Mr. Roman: Yes, I'm sure all of us would be interested in what those numbers are.

 

Mrs. Labow: Yes, because the question that I have, I think can I go forward but before we order I think we

need to find out what is going on because I've been hearing some things myself. If attendance is so critically

low that we are not making…

 

Mr. Mania: The second week in August is a big vacation week.

 

Mrs. Labow: This has been about the past three or four weeks. I've been going by there a lot and I just cannot

believehow little it is so I kind of would like an update on that before we spend this money. Just find out, I'd

hate to think there is a future of the beach that we don't have it any more but if we are going in that direction

and the numbers are so low, we should find out.

 

President Tobey: Mayor?

 

Mayor Scapicchio: I think we have an obligation to supply that handicapped access to the beach regardless of

the amount of people that are using it so I would suggest that the Council move forward with this purchase.

 

President Tobey: I would agree even if it's one person, I think we are obligated.

 

Mrs. Labow: And the other thing, we should probably find out what is going on with the beach. Also I think, I

could be wrong but didn't Jill say that we could use it in other areas too?

 

Mr. Roman: Yes.

 

Mrs. Labow: Didn't she say that? David, didn't Jill say that we could use this in other recreation facilities. It's

not just restricted to the beach?

 

Mayor Scapicchio: I don't recall.

 

Mr. Mania: I don't recall her saying that.

 

Mrs. Labow: I thought that she did but any way.

 

President Tobey: We'll move forward but if we can have the information provided, Sherry, please.

 

Mrs. Labow: Thank you.

 

President Tobey: Thank you, Mrs. Labow. Roll Call please.

 

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

 

President Tobey: Ordinance #24-2011 is passed on second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a copy of the same to the Mayor and publish the notice of adoption as required by law. I open the hearing to the public on:

 

Ord.#25-2011 Bond Ordinance Amending Section 1 of Bond Ordinance Numbered 11-2011 of the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey Finally Adopted April 26, 2011, in order to Amend the Description of the Project.

 

President Tobey: Does anyone from the public wish to be heard? Seeing none, Mr. Roman, would kindly move

that ordinance.

 

Mr. Roman: I move for adoption and final passage of Ordinance #25-2011.

 

President Tobey: I'll second that. Any Council discussion? Roll Call please.

 

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

 

President Tobey: Ordinance #25-2011 is passed on second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a

copy of the same to the Mayor and publish the notice of adoption as required by law. Moving on, we have two

ordinances this evening for first reading. The second reading will be on September 6, 2011.

 

OPTIONAL PUBLIC PORTION

 

ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING (2 nd reading – September 6, 2011)

 

President Tobey: The next item on the Agenda is:

 

Ord.#27-2011 Ordinance of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Amending the Fees or Rates for Off-Duty Police Officers.

 

President Tobey: Mrs. Labow, would you kindly moved Ordinance #27-2011.

 

Mrs. Labow: Thank you Mr. President. I move that Ordinance #27-2011 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on September 6, 2011at 7:00 p.m. at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Budd Lake, NJ for a public hearing, consideration of second reading and passage of said Ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available said Ordinance in accordance with the requirements of the law.

 

President Tobey: I'll second that. Any Council discussion? Does anyone from the public wish to be heard on this ordinance? Roll Call please.

 

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

 

President Tobey: The next item on the Agenda is:

 

Ord.#28-2011 Ordinance of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Appropriating $137,080 for the Restoration of the Baptist Church and Improvements to Seward House, Such Appropriation to be Funded by Morris County Historic Preservation Grants.

 

President Tobey: Mr. Perkins, would you please move that.

 

Mr. Perkins: Yes, Mr. President. I move that Ordinance #28-2011 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on September 6, 2011at 7:00 p.m. at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Budd Lake, NJ for a public hearing, consideration of second reading and passage of said Ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available said Ordinance in accordance with the requirements of the law.

 

Mrs. Labow: Second.

 

President Tobey: It's been moved and seconded. Any Council discussion.? Does anyone from the

public wish to be heard? Roll Call please.

 

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

 

President Tobey: There are 14 Consent Resolutions listed this evening. Does anyone wish to move any

to Non-Consent? Seeing none, Mr. Walsh would you kindly move the Consent Resolutions 1 through

14?

 

CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:

Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.

 

CONSENT RESOLUTIONS

 

PUBLIC PORTION ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Joining the National Moment of Remembrance of the 10 th Anniversary of September 11 th . PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a Capital Budget Amendment for Improvements to Baptist Church and Seward House. PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Requesting Approval from the Director of the DLGS for Insertion of a Specific Item of Revenue into the 2011 Municipal Budget ($73,800.77 for a Recycling Tonnage Grant). PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Cancellation of a Contract Balance with Birdsall Engineering. PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Submission of an Application for the Mount Olive Municipal Alliance Grant for Calendar Year 2012. PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Use of One Purchasing Contract (KML Technology Inc.) PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Acknowledging Review of the Best Practices Checklist. PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Approving the Submission of a Grant Application and Execution of a Grant Contract with the New Jersey Department of Transportation for the Improvements to Cloverhill Drive – Phase II Project. PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to Mark Paving Company, Inc. for Improvements to Cloverhill Drive Project. PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive, State of New Jersey and County of Morris Authorizing the Reduction in Various Performance Guarantees Posted by Toll Brothers in Connection with Morris Chase Phase I – Multi-Family. PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive, State of New Jersey and County of Morris Authorizing a Reduction in the Performance Guarantees Posted by Toll Brothers in Connection with the Development Known as Morris Hunt Phase II. PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive, State of New Jersey and County of Morris Authorizing a Reduction in the Performance Guarantees Posted by Toll Brothers in Connection with the Development Known as Morris Hunt Phase III. PDF Resolution

 

  1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Renewal of Alcoholic Beverage Licenses for the 2011-2012 Licensing Period. PDF Resolution

 

•  Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive, County of Morris and State of New Jersey Authorizing the Township to Bid a Ground Lease for a Portion of the Closed Combe Fill North Landfill Site for the Construction, Maintenance and Operation of a Photovoltaic System. PDF Resolution

 

Mr. Walsh: Yes, Mr. President, I move Resolutions Number 1 through 14.

 

Mr. Roman: Second.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. It's been moved and seconded.

 

PUBLIC PORTION ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS

 

President Tobey: Does anyone wish to be heard on any Consent Resolutions? Seeing none, Roll Call please.

 

COUNCIL COMMENTS ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS

 

ROLL CALL : Passed Unanimously

 

RESOLUTIONS NON-CONSENT

 

PUBLIC PORTION ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS

 

COUNCIL COMMENTS ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS

 

ROLL CALL

 

President Tobey: We are up to Consent Motions. We have two listed. Mr. Mania, would you please move Numbers 1 and 2?

 

MOTIONS CONSENT

 

•  Bill List. PDF Bill List

•  Approval of Raffle Application #2404, #2405, #2406 & #2407 for Mount Olive High School Parents Club; Raffle Application #2408 & #2409 for St. James Episcopal Church and Raffle Application #2410 & #2411 for the Budd Lake First Aid and Rescue Squad.

 

Mr. Mania: Mr. President, I move the Consent Motions Bill List and Approval of Raffle Application #2404, #2405, #2406 & #2407 for Mount Olive High School Parents Club; Raffle Application #2408 & #2409 for St. James Episcopal Church and Raffle Application #2411 for the Budd Lake First Aid and Rescue Squad. #2410 has been omitted.

 

President Tobey: Does anyone from the public have any questions regarding the Bill List? Yes, sir.

 

Nelson Russell, Budd Lake: Several questions. The first one is on Page 21. I see $353.91 for chainsaw repair. It seems awfully expensive for a chain, I mean you can buy it, a new chainsaw for much less than that.

 

Mr. Sohl: I'm sure it's not just a Sears special chainsaw. We use some pretty heavy equipment. I can't tell you for a fact at this point.

 

President Tobey: Sherry, Bill, any questions that you can't answer tonight, is it possible that we just get the answers to Mr. Russell?

 

Mrs. Maniscalco: I always send you an email the next morning so, no problem. I'll speak to Tim and get more specifics for you.

 

Mr. Russell: On Page 23 I see $852.00 for panic buttons.

 

Mr. Sohl: Those are for buttons that installed in various offices in the event we have an unruly situation…somebody comes in the building or otherwise.

 

Mr. Russell: And goes it right into the Police Department?

 

Mr. Sohl: Yes.

 

Mr. Russell: On Page 24, $367.00 for phone repair. It seems awfully expensive to repair a phone.

 

Mr. Sohl: We don't just, it may also mean the PBX or the private exchange that switches the calls within the building.

 

Mr. Russell: Our phone company doesn't cover that?

 

Mr. Sohl: We don't use Verizon direct lines. If I dial Sherry on an extension the switching takes place internally in the building.

 

Mr. Russell: Okay, so it's the PBX, okay.

 

Mr. Sohl: Yes.

 

Mr. Russell: And the last one is on Page 33. I'm seeing Cablevision Lightpath for the Budd Lake Sewer System for $268.93. Actually for both sewer systems, Budd Lake and Flanders.

 

Mr. Sohl: That's the connectivity, we've been switching over to Lightpath from Verizon so that's to gain connectivity to the sewer treatment plant.

Mrs. Maniscalco: A portion of our phone bill goes to different areas. Some of it goes for the main budget, some of it goes in water and sewer. It's split out like a number of our other bills.

 

Mr. Russell: Why do we have Telecom for systems?

 

Mrs. Maniscalco: It's just our overall phone service.

 

Mr. Sohl: There are computers, they have email.

 

Mr. Russell: It just seems awfully expensive.

 

Mr. Sohl: Well, that's the installation fee.

 

Mr. Russell: Thank you.

 

Mrs. Lashway: Please everybody, speak into the microphone. It's not going to pick up on the TV camera. Thank you.

 

President Tobey: Thank you Mr. Russell. Does anyone else from the public wish to ask any questions regarding the Bill List? Seeing none, I'll second the Motions. Roll call please.

 

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

 

President Tobey: Administrative Reports, Mayor?

 

ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS

 

Mayor Scapicchio: Just one, we were noticed on August 1 st that the DEP has recently released the Recycling Tonnage Grants and I'm happy to report that Mount Olive has received $73,000.00 this year compared to $30,000 and change last year. So we've done an excellent job in improving our recycling tonnage numbers.

 

President Tobey: That's good news. Thank you. Moving on, any New Business?

 

NEW BUSINESS

 

President Tobey: Any Old Business?

 

OLD BUSINESS

 

President Tobey: Any Legal Matters? Mr. Dorsey?

 

LEGAL MATTERS

 

Mr. Dorsey: No. Fred will give a report. Fred, you can give the report.

 

President Tobey: Any Council Reports this evening?

 

COUNCIL REPORTS

Recreation Liaison Report – A. Roman

Board of Health Report – R. Perkins

Planning Board Report – J. Mania

Open Space Committee Report – C. Labow

Legislative Committee Report – P. Walsh

Pride Committee Report – C. Labow

Board of Education Liaison Report – A. Roman

Lake/Environment Issues Committee – R. Perkins

Safety Committee Liaison – R. Perkins

Economic Development Committee Report – P. Walsh

Library Board Liaison – R. Greenbaum

Senior Citizen Liaison – J. Mania

Community Development Revenue Sharing – R. Perkins

 

President Tobey: Seeing none, we're up for a second Public Portion. Does anyone from the public wish to be heard?

PUBLIC PORTION

 

John Davis, 223 Flanders Netcong Rd.: I'm here in regard to the last meeting about Flanders Netcong Road's opening, reopening. I made a motion in June just to reopen the road. My main reason is so we don't have to get killed on Route 206. It's common sense. There's a million other things. Public safety is behind us all the way. The whole commission, that's the study everybody's looking for. They got together and said, open the road. I object to the way it was held at the last meeting. I was pretty much intimidated. I held my composure. I'm a little nervous now. I can't let it rest. Somebody's going to die on that highway and it's on everybody's head and I think you are making a big mistake by leaving the gate, electronic gate, spending tons of money on that. Then the residents should have passes too, just for residents. Then you'll reduce that fear of all of these people from Chester and Netcong and everywhere else are going to come down that road. Too much fear was instilled in the neighborhood, pitting neighborhood against neighborhood. This has gotten out of control. It's been like the Dukes of Hazard down there. I think you should reopen this. It's been a through road for 200 years. Like I said, public safety is second. My first concern is our own safety besides their evaluation. We don't have to spend money on studies. We studied it for 12 years. It's not, it's been tragic in some instances out on that highway and I don't want to see it happen again. I reiterate it, I said this before and I know there's other people here that want to support that and other people here don't want to support that but it's for everybody's best interest that live in that neighborhood including Mr. Scapicchio. Everybody can live healthier lives and travel slow, lower the speed limit. This whole nonsense last meeting was absurd, immature. I've seen people who thought we were going to pass it open and then everything got changed around because there was a small uprising. I wasn't able to finish a sentence at that meeting. I apologize for taking your time but please consider it. Like I said, I don't want to see something tragic, that's my main reason. For everybody who lives on that road in that general section, if they're not sure if they want it open or they do want it open, I don't have offense against you. I understand. I just want peace in Town. It's a great connector road for our Township's people and our rescues and all the rest of course. Like I said, let other people have a chance to respond and make their statements. Thanks again.

 

President Tobey: Thank you.

 

Trish Colvin Costanza, Theresa Dr.: Hi, good evening. Many of you have read my email hopefully. I've been a resident of this wonderful Township since 1974. I've grown up on Flanders Road, have lived on Tinc Road and now live on Theresa Drive. I moved back to raise my family to this Township because it had so much to offer. One of those being the new location of ITC, one of those being Turkey Brook Park, one of those being the possibility that Blue Atlas might be fields. All of these wonderful things and I moved back to the Township that I was the first class that went to Tinc Road School when it opened as a kindergarten and I went all the way through Mount Olive High School. As a resident on Flanders Road, since I moved back I didn't realize that Flanders Netcong was closed. I was amazed. A 40 mph road that was a connector road that I used in this Township when I grew up. Okay, going down, seeing that it was a cul-de-sac, what are you going to do. You've got to live with it I guess, busy raising my family, working, all those other things. The idea that the reactivation of this and the reasons given for keeping it closed or remaining closed, I'm sorry. I'm a history teacher for ten years, a counselor for another ten. This really does not suit the best interests of the entire Township and it's again, not against the people that live there but when you purchased that home it was a 40 mph road. It was not a 25 mph cul-de-sac. It was not ever put into play for that type of road. It is no different than Sandshore Road or Smithtown Road or Flanders Drakestown Road. We live in a large Township. People commute from and cut through Tinc Road to get to Chester. These are roads, we need to have access to them. I should have that choice to have access to this road and if it warrants that again, speed tables and speed limits. When you turn the corner when Turkey Brook has opened, do you understand the impact that has had on Sunset Drive on Washington Street, on Wynnwood, Chelsea? How about that turn where Pershing Estates is and Mount Olive Road meets. That's 35 mph. How is that any different from where that stop sign is on Drakesdale Road? I want to believe in democracy. I want to believe what is best for everybody and unfortunately some people are going to have to have sacrifices and there are 40 mph and I hate to think that this is nepotism, that this is the idea of just protecting my little area. I hate to think that because that does pit me against neighbor against neighbor but unfortunately if I look at it factually, and I look at the original ordinance that states, for the best interest, excuse me, I don't have it in front of me when I was going through, citing the quality of life and the best interest for the people on Flanders Netcongs Road. I'm sorry, excessive congestion, protecting the quality of life along Flanders Netcong Road. What about all of the rest of us who live in the Township? As it's grown, especially people around Turkey Brook. Was that, how come there is no ordinance to shut Flanders Road down? I mean, doesn't that sound excessive? Sure it does. That's what we are talking about. Why is this road, a wide road, a 40 mph road being considered a 25 mph neighborhood. I just don't understand the facts to that and maybe, maybe I'm not smart enough. Maybe I don't understand politics but I don't see how as elected officials you cannot really look at those facts and I'm sorry for the people that there might be more cars on their road hopefully some day if it is reactivated and open but that's, you didn't buy in a cul-de-sac in a 25 mph neighborhood, it's a connector road. It's been in this Township forever and I've been on it forever until poof, it disappeared. I understand the construction, fine, but now we need access to it. We need the choice, the choice that at times if it is yes, convenient for me and my family to take that connector road, then that is my choice. Just like Tinc Road is for people who don't want to take 206. I don't see a difference and I'm pleading with the Council. I'm asking people to put what is in the best interest of everybody. Thank you very much.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. Does anyone else from the public wish to be heard?

 

Mike Karram, 5 Southwind Dr.: Which is off of Flanders Netcong Road. Just give me two minutes here, two seconds. I just want to make a couple of points. I was not here the week of the 26 th , unfortunately, I was on vacation. I do want to make a few points though. My number one point is everybody is saying that Flanders Netcong Road is a through road and yes it has been a through road. It's probably been like that for 200 years. At one point it was probably a dirt road but back then there was no concept of a mall. You had a working landfill. Nobody in their right mind thought there would ever be built there. Over time, things change. That was a Superfund site. It was capped. Someone bought the land next to it and decided to build a mall. You build a mall, you have to control the traffic. You've got a major mall there, 800,000 plus square feet, two of the biggest stores in the world, Walmart and Lowes. You've got to control the traffic. You don't have traffic going in and out of a major mall on residential roads. So what did they do? They built International Drive South connecting 206 with 46. That's your major thru route in and out. I hear people talking now about opening up Flanders Netcong Road. I don't hear any mention of Goldmine Road or Budd Lake Road. There were three roads that were shut down. Why are we only talking about Flanders Netcong?

 

President Tobey: There was a discussion, to answer your question, regarding Goldmine Road but because of the culvert being in bad shape, we are actually waiting for some feedback from the County on that so that is in discussion but presently on the back burner. Excuse me, just to clarify Goldmine Road was identified also by the Public Safety Committee as the other road to be opened.

 

Mr. Karram: Okay, just regarding that comment, I was not here on the 26 th but some updates that I have gotten and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Mr. Greenbaum had specifically stated in reference to meeting notes from the Public Safety Committee that had stated that the Safety Committee was looking to open the road, Flanders Netcong, for emergency vehicles only and not for the entire public. Is that a true statement?

 

Mr. Greenbaum: I read the Minutes, I read the Minutes of the meeting and that's what it said.

 

Mr. Karram: Okay.

 

President Tobey: Mr. Perkins.

 

Mr. Perkins: I don't believe that to be an accurate statement. I don't believe that they were specific. The request was that it be opened. It was not specific that it be opened for only emergency vehicles.

 

Mr. Karram: Maybe we need to reference the Minutes because Mr. Greenbaum, from what I understand, read them last time stating that the Safety Committee has given their approval to open the road to everybody is not a true statement. Nobody knows the answer from what I've heard.

 

President Tobey: Mr. Roman, then Mr. Greenbaum.

 

Mr. Roman: Mr. Perkins, unfortunately I need to disagree with your assessment of the meeting having been in attendance at the meeting. The discussions regarding or for the use of the EMS, police and ambulance to use that road, at no point do I recall either the suggestion or the possibility of making it opened to the public. I would definitely want to hear a clarification and I request at the earliest convenience if the Administration can have Mr. Detoro at least either in person or in a memo clarify this issue because it has been going back and forth and maybe I misinterpreted things, maybe Mr. Perkins but I think if Mr. Detoro can at least smooth that out, I'd appreciate it.

 

President Tobey: I'm going to comment on that. Why would anyone here think that the Public Safety Committee was speaking on behalf of the entire community. The Public Safety Committee was speaking on behalf of emergency response time, correct Mr. Perkins?

 

Mr. Perkins: That's correct.

 

President Tobey: Weren't some other measures of opening the gate put on the table and discussed and addressed that night?

 

Mr. Perkins: Yes, sir, we did.

 

President Tobey: Thank you.

 

Mr. Karram: Okay, so I'd also like to reference some meeting Minutes from Council, previous Council meetings held back in the year 2000. Okay, one of which I have here which specifically states that granting the development, I'm not going to read it verbatim. I'm just going to summarize it but basically it states that approval for the developer's to build the mall were not going to be granted unless the Department of Transportation gave their approval to cul-de-sac Goldmine Road, Flanders Netcong and Old Budd Lake. That approval was obtained on September 20, 2000, so if there is any misconceptions about the closing of those roads being illegal, I think this is proof that it was legal. My second question now is whether or not this actually is legal binding which means that if they granted approval to cul-de-sac those roads to build the mall, are we legally able to open those roads now? If you open them, you have to shut the mall down. I can't answer that. There's also statements from those meeting Minutes in the year 2000 granting/rescinding approval from the Morris County Board of Freeholders who provided their endorsement and approval to cul-de-sac those three roads. What I still need to obtain though is the actual letter from the Department of Transportation and I will be doing that although I don't know the exact content of it. That's really all that I have. Thank you.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. Does anyone else from the public wish to be heard?

 

Dennis McNemar, Flanders Drakestown Rd.: I don't think I can put it as eloquently as Miss Colvin but in par with what she is saying is I don't want to pit neighborhood against neighborhood but we do have roads that are 40, 35 mph roads that are primary roads that go through our Township and I think everybody has a right to use those roads. I, for one, have been living in this community for 22 years and I know I've seen my road on Flanders Drakestown back up around the corner all the way down to 206. At some point in time will I be able say, hey shut my road down? I don't have sidewalks, I don't have lighted ways. My children can't play there. No, I don't think that should be the case. The case should be, we all have roads and they lead to somewhere and it's open to the public. I, for one, think that this initiative or these roads should be taken to the people and should be balloted for that. I think this issue should be put to ballot rather than put to this Committee. That's all I have to say.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. Mr. Greenbaum.

 

Mr. Greenbaum: I think I've heard a common misconception in terms of the right to be able to drive on a particular road. This road is open. Everyone has the right to drive on it. As a municipality, whether at the Planning Board level or at the Council level, the Township makes decisions all the time in terms of traffic flow, in terms of what roads are going to connect where and ultimately the decision was made with respect to this road 11 years ago because of the, in part, the traffic study which was done at the time that the shopping center came into existence. The decision was made at that point in time that the right thing to do was to close the road. By opening the road at this point, what in essence we would be doing is diverting traffic from a major road which is 206, to what can adequately be called a secondary road which is Flanders Netcong Road. From a planning perspective, having sat on the Planning Board for a number of years and having spoken to our Township Planner, that simply doesn't make any sense. Now you look at other roads, I've heard the discussion in terms of what Turkey Brook Park has done with respect to traffic on Flanders Road and ultimately you have to look at the alternatives that are available to get to where you need to be and if Flanders Road, I would submit is different than Flanders Netcong Road because of the alternative that 206 provides and the alternative that ITC provides. That same alternative really is not present if you were to close one end of Flanders Road. If that could be done, I would be in favor of that as well but it doesn't make sense. Flanders Netcong Road has been closed for 11 years. It should remain closed.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. Does anyone else from the public wish to be heard? Please.

 

George Vargo, 15 Southwind Dr.: I want to say I appreciate the decisions that the Council and Planning Board and all have made with regard to the road being closed, those roads that are closed today. I haven't lived in this Township all my life. I bought a house by Toll Brothers there in that development. That property, those properties were basically sold to us with this conception that the traffic has been minimized because the mall is there and, you know, it's no longer a through road and it is a quiet neighborhood. I appreciate that people have been used to that road but I bought in that neighborhood because of it being closed. I also appreciate the fact that there may be a safety issue. I had always wondered why our GPS systems also show that road as open. Is there a process that we need to undertake to let it be known by those companies that maintain maps that these roads are in fact closed? I'm just throwing that out there.

 

President Tobey: Thank you.

 

Theresa McNemar, 7 Flanders Drakestown Rd.: I will just be very quick. I was here two weeks ago too and I felt like I was being bullied by the crowd that was definitely in opposition to me but I'm here to simply make a request, a formal request to put the reopening of Flanders Netcong Road on the ballot for the general election, simply. I think that regardless of your opinion whether it should be opened or closed, nonetheless, it should be a public vote. We all live in this community. I expect that we should all be able to use the roads.

 

President Tobey: Thank you.

 

Anahita Lion, 11 Southwind Dr.: We bought a house there about eight years ago and we have two kids, a four year old and eight year old. They come to us with various requests. We'd like a new game. We'd like to see an Ipod, we want an Iphone and our first comeback is, how are you going to pay for it? I'd like to ask the same question here. When we open a road like this, there are two forms of payments. First of all you have a huge payment in just opening this type of road. There's going to be a tremendous amount of, this road is not ready for the type of traffic that we're going to get diverted out of 206 and the harsh winters it is going to have to go through. Secondly, you are going to have the maintenance every year to pay for. Where is this money going to come from? Do we have a solution for this? Have we thought about it before we consider putting on the ballot? There are lots of things we can put on the ballot. Can we actually talk about, can we say that let's put on the ballot the fact that we'd like to make a left turn out of Goldmine Road? Can we do that? No, we can't. There are rules. There are laws and I can't understand how we can talk about putting something on the ballot that has not been fact based. We need to understand this, studies done to show that these roads are safe. We need to understand the costs involved and how we are going to pay for it before responsibly put this on the ballot. We have elected you Council members in good faith hoping that you will represent us and make fact based decisions. I think it is very wrong, we all think it is very wrong, irresponsible and negligent to put things on the ballot that has not been completely researched and described to us in the public so that we all make fact based decisions. That's all I have to say. Any questions?

 

President Tobey: Thank you. Does anyone else from the public wish to be heard?

 

Gene Kozak, 134 Flanders Netcong Rd.: The last time I was here I gave a nice award to Mr. Attorney that I see probably less 20 years ago. So he look good and he's healthy and Mr. Dorsey, that's what I meant. The reason that I'm here today is a couple of thing that, a couple of weeks ago there was a pretty pretty kind of exciting I would say meeting and a couple of items were not addressed which I believe that as Council members you should take on your own, perhaps take a day or so off of your duties from your work and look into what's going on this intersection between the High School and Flanders Netcong Road. Did any of you have a chance to count the cars, how many cars go through Mount Olive High School seniors? I mean physical, count the cars, how many of them are in the parking lot. The answer is probably no. Now, how many of you have numbers that shows the parents working nights or late and the kids cannot be picked up and they are walking through those streets?

 

Mr. Walsh: If I'm getting what you are saying, a traffic study should be done?

 

Mr. Kozak: No, no, I'm saying common sense. I'm not trying to confuse anybody but just physically if you take a heavy schedule in your own personal life, just come and see. How many of you looked in the mornings track teams running, young kids running? I've seen 30 of them, a couple days going right back and forth. Actually, with all due respect, today, walking at nine o'clock, right? Just coincidence, okay. That's present. Now my question is that, god forbid something, I mean, I have kids too, responsibilities. The youngest one is 17 years old, just driving okay and if I could drive to 206 and go pick up the pool supply on Goldmine Road, anybody could do it. Somebody says two weeks ago which is Betsy, it's for convenience and this would go to this point. Another thing is that anybody figure out the pool area which is right on the corner of Flanders Netcong Road, the zoning was changed, right, to commercial. I'm correct? Any consideration what could go on this property? Perhaps ice arena, right, I would think. The traffic that's going to happen. Now the Blue Atlas property, I understand there will probably at least two lacrosse fields? Does anybody know how many teams will practice or play a tournament during the weekends? Has anybody thought of that?

 

Mrs. Labow: Yes, there are going to be a lot of people there.

 

Mr. Kozak: Quite a few. Now and trust me, I do know a sports facility and what happens is that if you have a one hour session what people do, they just drop the kids and boom and go back and pick them up so one car will make let's say three or four times going back and forth. You just think about how many kids' parents will come, yes to pick up of course, no problem, but who can figure out is going to happen with this intersection and then anybody who vote for that opening, which is fine and now I feel it is prejudiced against me because if you open Flanders Netcong, my favorite road, just make a left and go out to Goldmine Road right to 46. If you open Flanders Netcong Road, please consider opening Goldmine Road as well all the way though to 46. (inaudible) Another thing is that just, I don't want to take too much of your time. Anybody who sit back and just could picture that, the intersection off Flanders Road come out to Mount Olive Road, right? Do you know, the gentleman says sometime its 20 minutes going to 206. What's going to happen when you open those roads, what's going to happen at those intersections? I suggest you have to put a light, traffic light right over at the pool area that we could come out of it because it's impossible. It makes no sense and us, to somebody who is, I know for a long time, John, John Electric, Johnny, like we said, if you pee against the wind, you are going to get wet.(inaudible) What is residential area means, to have a house. What you are allowed to do on your residential area.? You can have a pool, have a garage. What else can you do?

 

Mrs. Labow: You can have a business.

 

Mr. Kozak: What's that?

 

Mrs. Labow: You can have a business.

 

Mr. Kozak: You can have a business? What kind?

 

Mrs. Labow: Several different kinds. You can have one vehicle and you can have a business out of your home. You can have a home business. We have an ordinance for that.

 

Mr. Kozak: Yeah? What kind?

 

Mrs. Labow: All different kinds, electric…

 

Mr. Kozak: Machine shop?

 

Mrs. Labow: You'd have to check the zoning department to see specifically.

 

Mr. Kozak: Can I have that on my property?

 

Mrs. Labow: You would have to check with the zoning department to see exactly what is permitted. I can't answer that question right now.

 

Mr. Kozak: Another questions is that as we sit here now and this is something, as the officials, okay, you mentioned about the having access into special, special passage through the gate, there was police, ambulances, emergency, right. Have any of you got a key to the gate in the past?

 

Mrs. Labow: No.

 

Mr. Kozak: How about Mr. Davis? Who gave him a key to that gate?

 

Mr. Davis (from audience): It's been open most of the time.

 

President Tobey: Mr. Davis, please, sir.

 

Mr. Kozak: Question is, I'm Mr. Davis and I behave and have access to the gate going through it and we cannot. Can anyone could answer that? Please look into it. Thank you.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. Does anyone else from the public wish to be heard? Please.

 

Pat Colvin, Flanders Rd.: Hi, I thank the Council for volunteering their time. I appreciate what you are doing. I live on Flanders Road, very busy road.

 

President Tobey: Excuse me, would you kindly state your name and address for the record.

 

Mrs. Colvin: Yes, it's Pat Colvin and I live on Flanders Road.

 

President Tobey: Thank you very much.

 

Mrs. Colvin: Okay, I remember, I've been here a long time and when the Trade Zone was built, now we have a direct path from Route 46 to Route 206 that takes up a lot of traffic and I'm sure that the road that has been closed has been at least since I've been here. I thought 11 years ago when it was closed it was temporary. I wasn't involved enough to know that it was permanent. My question is, has there been an engineering study that really has an accurate recommendation according to some numerical statistics to say that this is the right thing? It doesn't seem right to me to have the road closed. I don't think it's right. I don't believe that there is a lot of traffic, and this is not based on any science but I don't believe there's a lot of traffic that would be coming along that road any different than when I, 40 years ago let's say. I don't see, I'd like to know if there was any study done that would support a stand one way or the other rather than just…

 

President Tobey: Mr. Greenbaum.

 

Mr. Greenbaum: My understanding is, and it was prior to my involvement with the Township, that there was a traffic study which was done as part of the commercial development which showed that there would be an incredible amount of traffic that would utilize Flanders Netcong Road and Goldmine Roads and that the decision to close the road was based, in part, on that study. I do not have a copy of it. Mr. Rattner was here last week and he seemed to have a copy. You can make a request of the Town Clerk for a copy of that traffic study and we will do our best to get a copy of it for you. It should be some place in the building, I would imagine, archived.

 

Mrs. Colvin: That would be interesting because it didn't seem that it was necessary as a resident who lived on a very busy, it didn't seem that it was necessary to me.

 

Mr. Greenbaum: I guess the study was based upon an engineer, traffic engineer's expertise in terms of what the shopping center would do in terms of increasing traffic on that road.

 

Mrs. Colvin: I just don't see that there would be that much increased because you still have the main, 206, Route 46, that's the main passage way.

 

Mr. Greenbaum: I'm not a traffic expert.

 

Mrs. Colvin: Right, I'm not either. That's why I'm curious.

 

Mr. Greenbaum: All I can tell you is that if the road was open, I would use the road. I'm sure a lot of other people would as well.

 

Mrs. Colvin: I agree. I would too but it wouldn't be a big deal to me but it seems very inconvenient to me not to use it, to have to go down to 46 or to go down to 206.

 

Mr. Greenbaum: I understand. It's inconvenient for me as well.

 

Mrs. Colvin: Okay, thank you.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. Does anyone from the public wish to be heard?

 

Mr. Karram: Can I go up a second time?

 

President Tobey: Absolutely. Excuse me, does anyone else want to be heard before Mr. Karram goes, who has not spoken? Okay, we are going to take a two minute break while the tape is changed actually. I want to give anyone the option to speak before someone goes back up.

 

Joachim Lion, 11 Southwind Dr.: I don't want to reiterate all of the arguments that we discussed here last time. I just want to say that as far as bringing a question like this on the ballot and democracy was mentioned here. Democracy by bringing this on ballot, it needs to be a balanced question that takes care of the interests of different groups. To me this question, putting it on the ballot is like weighing the convenience of many over the traffic risks and the crime risks of the minority. That to me is not what a ballot should do. What concerns me actually even more is what makes this to me very questionable is what was clearly stated that the process of closing this road followed a pretty extensive clear administrative process that involved Morris County as well as the Department of Transportation. So I don't think a ballot vote, this whole process, can just be by ballot and it was a clear pre-requisite to close this road as a pre-requisite to build the mall. To me, this is not something that can go to ballot.

 

President Tobey: Mr. Karram.

 

Mr. Karram: I just wanted to bring up the point of the Ledgewood and Roxbury Malls. As you know, probably everybody shops there, probably shopped there a lot more before our mall here was built. My main point is for those two malls at least three roads that were residential roads have been permanently shut down leading into those roads. Two of them lead into Righter Road, one leads actually into the parking lot of the Roxbury Mall. In addition to that there is a townhouse/condo community called Willow Walk which basically offers direct access from Righter Road to Emmans Road which will get you into the center of Flanders. When they built Willow Walk people found out that that road was a connector road now. People come out of the mall, go on to Righter Road, go through Willow Walk to Emmans Road and find their way into Flanders. That went on for years until it got to the point where the residents complained. I don't know if there were any accidents, if anybody got hurt, killed or whatever but what is there now is card access for that community. There used to be card access on Righter Road and card access on Emmans Road. That was there for many many years. As of right now, card access is only on the back part, Emmans Road. I guess over the years people found out that it's no longer a through road off of Righter Road. There are all kinds of signs posted as you enter off of Righter Road saying that it is a private road. My point is once people find out that the road is open, they will use it. They will take time because it's been closed for 11 years but over time the road will get used and used and used and it will become a major major throughfare. You are going to run into the same problem that the residents of Roxbury and Ledgewood did. We, as a community, should learn from that. There isn't a mall in Morris County where you have a residential road leading into a major mall complex. It just doesn't exist. It doesn't exist because of safety hazards. I know you are trying to solve a safety issue here, right, by opening up the road – the major point being emergency vehicles. I think the whole point of convenience is blown out of proportion. I would love to go down that road and get to Walmart. It's only a quarter of a mile from my house. Instead, I have to drive four miles to get there. I have to drive four miles to take my kid to the gymnastics center. I have to take, I have to take the back roads to 206 to go to Lowes. I must go to that mall 10-12 times a week. It's all my daughter wants to do. She wants to go Walmart. My point is, if you open up that road, you are going to have major major traffic, not only from the mall but eventually you're going to have morning commuter traffic because we all know 206 backs up, right, the lights at Main Street backs up all the way basically to Route 80. People are going to be coming off of 80 finding out that that road is open and you are going to have commuter traffic coming down that road at four or five am in the morning and it's not just Flanders Netcong Road. Once you get to the end now you've got to go somewhere. You can go left on Drakesdale, you're going to go right on the continuation of Flanders Netcong, you are going to go right off of there onto Mount Olive Road or you are going to go straight and maybe make a right on Corey Road, take it straight down to Main Street , Corey Road to Tinc Road takes down to Bartley Flanders Road, down into the center of Flanders. So by opening Flanders Netcong Road, you are not just affecting the people on that road, you are also going to effect and increase the traffic on all of the roads that are going to be fed by Flanders Netcong Road. My point here is let's learn from what Roxbury and Ledgewood did and let's not make the same mistake that they did. Thank you.

 

John Davis, Flanders Netcong Rd.: Just to reiterate one thing about the ballot I didn't mention, liberty and justice for all period. I mean that's all we got. We've got a town that agreed to open the road for most of the towns' people's convenience. They are being inconvenienced, put out into harm's way number one, inconvenienced. Everybody takes the harm out of it and says it's just for convenience. The harm is the main thing I want to…We should put it on the ballot. That fellow that wants to be mayor should make the motion, let's put it on the ballot. The Council will follow. I think that's the proper thing. It's the right thing to do for this Town and the people in it. Not everybody is here. It's vacation time but the consensus probably is a lot of people would like to at least vote on it. Vote on it, have an opportunity, not just this neighborhood and my neighborhood and the guys behind me which will use the road and some of you, you know. Everybody should vote on it. There shouldn't be any hesitation by the Council to put it on the ballot. We could give a petition and get it done maybe next year if we don't get it in this year but it should be put on the ballot. A petition will get it on the ballot. I got to work. I elect all you folks. I voted for all of you folks. Get it on the ballot at least. You were almost this close to opening the road and then there is a lot of misconceptions of some of the things he's been telling you people. Come up with some ideas, the fellow with the past Minutes. I bet if you asked the developer, Les Smith, what his thoughts were at that time I wonder what he would say. I don't know for certain but I wonder what he would say about closing, rerouting commerce away from our mall. I'm going to Roxbury cause I just crossed 206 now. I go over there. We're losing business. It's more than an inconvenience, economic development, emptying stores out because there's less people going to them. So that's the other side of that coin. There will be traffic in the morning. I'm on the busiest part of that road that's not closed. Yes, every morning going to school and work, everybody comes and in the afternoon everybody goes. Your road is the same down at the end not as by us but of course it's going to pick up traffic. It's going to have that many more cars. We know that's going to happen, that's why we want it open. I don't want to make an inconvenience or a safety hazard. I think speed bumps and 25 mph should be applied in this when it's written up to be passed and it should be in print and lower that 40 mph speed limit and give those people a safe haven to walk along the road. It's a beautiful neighborhood and they are good people, customers and friends of mine. Gene, we're going to have a lacrosse field. Mr. Kozak is correct. There is going to be tons of more people going in and out of there for lacrosse. Where are they going to exit? One exit by the pool? They've got a swim meet over there this weekend. They're all at risk. There's no more rescue sitting down the road. They are down the hill somewhere. It's going to take them five more minutes to get there, removing the rescue from our neighborhood. If we have a heart attack, we've got to wait a long time now that you folks who live up there where the rescue used to sit. Now it's gone.

 

President Tobey: Mr. Davis…

 

Mr. Davis: I really, go for it. Put it on the ballot. Don't be afraid. It's best for you. You are going to get elected, get re-elected, get elected. I want to vote for you. I believe it. I believe that it is the right thing to do. God bless you.

 

President Tobey: Mr. Davis. Thank you.

 

Mr. Davis: Thank you.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. Does anyone else from the public wish to be heard? If I could just say, there is no formal action scheduled for this evening. I assume everyone is aware of that, correct?

 

Bill Alpert, 23 Firetower Rd.: I have lived in Mount Olive and Roxbury most of my life. I currently own my house in Roxbury, excuse me, Mount Olive for two years. I want to address some points that I've heard made tonight. First of all, by the gentleman previous to Mr. Davis, when all of this was going on in Roxbury with the closing of the roads, I was living in Roxbury. As a matter of fact, I was a member of the fire department. When he was talking about the cars accessing Willow Walk, that is 100% private property. Those people there have the right to open and close the roads any time they want. Yes, it is true you can get to Emmans Road there and a lot of people use it as shortcuts. The people who live there and own the property, including the roads, decided to close that. That's their prerogative. The roads leading to Ledgewood Mall, extremely narrow streets. Houses were built back in the 40's and 50's. They could not handle any kind of traffic coming in to the mall. That's why those roads are closed. This is personal knowledge that I've had and you can check with Roxbury and you'll find out the veracity of it. The other thing I heard is there is a lot of talk about this road. To my knowledge this road, and I've traveled Flanders Netcong for many years back and forth. There are a number of commercial businesses and always has been a number of commercial businesses on both sides of the fence. This road is a wide road, 40 mph. What is different about this road then Flanders Drakestown Road, Drakesdale, Flanders Netcong Road? Not a thing other than the fact that some gates were put up to aid in construction. My understanding at the time was that those gates were temporary. I did not know they were permanent until years later when it was done. The fact of the matter is we don't know much traffic would even use that road if you open the gates right now. Most people are used to 46, used to International Dive. That's the way they're going to go. Flanders Drakestown, Drakesdale Road, Flanders Netcong, all are used as shortcuts to 206 and have been for years and will continue to be for years. This road, especially if you are going to be putting lacrosse fields in there like Mr. Davis said and you are going to have a tremendous amount of traffic there. You have one exit. That road has actually been redesigned to make a left turn instead of merging in. Fine. What are you going to do with all of the traffic? Where are you going to back everybody up as they try and get in and out of the lacrosse fields, especially if you open it up to tournaments. Look at what happens when you have the Morris County Fair, or the fair at Turkey Brook Park? Traffic backs up all over the place, both ends of the road. That's a road you can get in and out of and side streets when you get further up and down to get out of the way. The facts are, again, nobody knows what's going to happen on this road. This fence should never have been put up. A study that was done 11 years ago, who was the engineering company? What did they base their facts and figures on? We don't know. Did they base it on a mall somewhere 5,000 miles away. The thing is there is no difference with that road. That road was built as a 40 mph road and the fact that you are going to be building lacrosse fields there, the fact that there are commercial businesses there, that road needs to be opened at both ends because with the lacrosse fields you are just going to back traffic up all over the place and then you are going to be in a lot of accidents because people are just going to be trying to go in and out, in and out and effect the way of traffic. My suggestion is open the damn gates and find out what happens. It's very simple. Open the gates and find out what happens.

 

President Tobey: Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to close the meeting to the public unless someone new wishes to get up and speak. Once again, there is no scheduled formal action this evening. Okay, the last individual. Thank you. Kindly say your name and address for the record.

 

Nick Paladino, 1 Westwind Dr.: I live with my wife, Carmen, and my daughter, Layla, and I guess the only thing that kind of concerns me is that if I recall at the meeting two weeks ago, Councilman Roman, you were approached relative to opening the road for convenience and now it's represented that it is for emergency vehicles and the concern. I think we all know now that it is really for convenience for people and the gentleman who was just here now, he made a very valid point. There is going to be a tremendous amount of traffic down that road because you are opening new facilities. It's a residential road. That traffic will branch off onto Drakesdale then to I think it's antique hill. In the morning to go to 206 down to take my daughter to the Goddard School, you can be back up on that hill for about 15 minutes and I would assume that if you are going to get another 1,500 to 2,000 to 3,000 cars a day, that might be every day of the week, all day long. I respect people's need for convenience. It's closer for me but I also recognize that it is not the right thing to do and there are times in this country where have elected officials to make decisions, sometimes popular, sometimes not. If we ran this country where we made everything up to a vote to the public, it would be one, inconvenient and two, unrealistic. That's why there are elected officials, to do what is right based upon what they find in studies, surveys and 11 years ago that decision was made to allow a several hundred thousand square foot facility because they were going to try and protect communities, all the communities. That's why there is a four lane highway called 206. Basically, I think if you want to really protect everyone, we should close Drakedale Road, close Flanders Netcong Road and close antique hill. Don't let anyone get out of the town. Lock them in there.

That's the reality. That is a main street. If you come to this Town Hall, you come through a lot of back roads and they are all residential communities. I would hate to see anyone's community ruined by having 3,000 -4,000 more cars a day coming through their streets. It would be inconvenient. It would be unrealistic. To put this on a ballot, the cost, I don't know what our budget is but that is one factor but more importantly, that's why you are elected, for the greater good and sometimes the greater good means that fewer people are protected. That's the nature of government. That's why you are elected and I think, if you make the decision based upon a study 11years, if that decision was 11 years ago what has changed? Very little except there will be more traffic, more accommodations. There will be more facilities so to open up a residential road, the cost involved I'm sure will be several million dollars because that road is basically wide enough for a car. That's about it. If you add that to your budget, put it out over 20 years at maybe 6%, what's that going to do to the property taxes for all of us? I think all of those issues are on your desk. Those decisions are yours, not based upon the ballot and more importantly, I think people have to remember what the initial basis of this discussion was, convenience, and now that is put aside. It's for emergency vehicles. I would like to see a fire truck go up antique hill and go down 206. What's the faster route? I would think that a 3,000 lb. vehicle trying to get up that hill will be going a lot slower than going down 206 and I think you have to be realistic about you are doing and why you are doing it. I understand people worrying about their children just learning to drive. Hey, I don't like going on 206 but I have to go to work every day and it's there. If you take care, you're fine but the reality is it's on your desk and you have to make a decision based upon the f acts and the facts from 11 years ago really haven't changed today. If anything, you are going to have to pay more money and greater costs. Thank you for your time. I hope I didn't intimidate anyone.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. At this time I'm going to close the hearing to the public. Any Council comments?

 

COUNCIL COMMENTS

 

Mr. Mania: Mr. President, I just found a letter in our packet dated July 26 th from a resident on 11 River Road, Mr. Steven VanHouten. Is there any update on that letter Mr. Sohl?

 

Mr. Sohl: Which letter is that?

 

President Tobey: Pass that down please.

 

Mrs. Labow: The road that was washed out, Mill Road.

 

Mayor Scapicchio: Oh, Mill Road.

 

Mr. Sohl: Mr. Quinn just returned, he was on vacation so there is no update yet.

 

Mr. Mania: Okay.

 

President Tobey: Mr. Walsh.

 

Mr. Walsh: Yes, I have two comments, thank you Mr. President. Number one, I want to let everybody know, first of all, thank you, everyone, both sides of this main issue tonight that was discussed by the public whether I agree with you, don't agree with you, every one of your opinions do matter even if I disagree with you. So please understand that. Number two, I just want to, this is a federal issue but it relates to all of us here at home and I feel that it is my duty as a public servant to bring it up. I'm appalled at the gridlock in Washington, DC. I think we all are. I think as an elected official, I need to have that stated and it is both sides of the aisle that are causing this problem and the one thing I want to make sure everybody understands is that while federal income taxes are their lowest levels in 80 years, the taxes on the middle class continue to go up and up and up and these people in Washington need to get it together and do what's right. I just feel as an elected official, it is my duty to say that. Thank you.

 

President Tobey: Thank you. Any other Council comments? Mr. Roman.

 

Mr. Roman: First I'd like to thank everyone for coming out and expressing their opinion. It's one thing to get an email every once in awhile on an issue. It's quite another at least to hear people coming up and speak. The talk is being brought up about bringing, let it be put on the ballot. Unfortunately, I would have to respectfully disagree with that sentiment. When we are up here making decisions, we generally sometimes don't make decisions based on what is the majority opinion. We sometimes need to protect the rights to privacy or the benefits of the minority. I'm pretty sure if this question was put on the ballot, it will pass unanimously because I know I would like to take that road. I would like to sneak through there but I'm sure if your neighborhood was being impacted, if wherever you lived, a mall was put behind your complex and your somewhat quiet living was going to be dramatically changed, you'd been demanding for us to close off a road or do whatever has to be done to protect your neighborhood whether you've been living there for five years, ten years or fifty years and if the rest of the Township said, hey look, I want to drive down X road to get to the new mall, you are inconveniencing me because now I have to travel five minutes out of the way. I'm pretty sure you would not want us to make a decision based on what 88% of the Township wanted to do. Blue Atlas is going to add traffic to that road and the same decision is being made there. The impact that is going to happen to those residents by the occasional traffic is being outweighed by the benefit that those fields will bring and I'm sure that the people, some of you that live on that are upset with that decision also but there and again, I'm, at least I believe I'm making the decision of what is in the best interest of everyone in general without adversely affecting the few. I don't appreciate the fear mongering that goes back and forth. It happens either way. If you don't open it up, somebody's going to get killed. If you open it up, you are going to kill my three year old daughter. I, for one, do want to see a traffic study to at least give me at least as much information as I can possibly get and I would like to request at least from the Administration of what we have to put in place to at least find out what it is going to cost and what it would take to start a new traffic study because right now I believe I have 80% of the information required. I believe having that information gives me at least the other 20% just so that I can safely look into everyone's eyes and say, look, I made the decision based on all the information I was able to garner. And with that, that's all I have.

 

President Tobey: Thank you Mr. Roman. Any other Council comments? At this time I will accept a motion to adjourn.

 

ADJOURNMENT

 

Motion to adjourn made and seconded. All in favor, the meeting was adjourned at 8:20 pm.

 

 

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Phil Tobey, Council President

 

I, Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes are a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on September 6, 2011.

 

 

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Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk

 

 

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