August 21, 2012 Council Public Meeting Minutes
The Public Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to Order at 8:09 pm by Council President Roman.
OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT ANNOUNCEMENT
Ms. Masser: According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of this meeting has been given to the Daily Record. Notice has been posted in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mount Olive Township, New Jersey and notices were sent to those requesting the same.
Present: Mr. Perkins, Mr. Mania, Mr. Nicastro, Mr. Walsh, Mrs. Labow and Mr. Roman
Absent: Mr. Ferrante
Also Present: Sean Canning, Business Administrator; Michael Augello, Township Attorney; Michelle Masser, Deputy Township Clerk; Mayor Greenbaum
President Roman: Let the record reflect that Mr. Walsh is present but currently outside the purview of chambers. We are on to Approval of Previous Minutes. Mr. Perkins.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS - R. Perkins
August 7, 2012 WS, CS & PM (Mrs. Labow & Mr. Walsh absent)
Mr. Perkins: Yes, Mr. President, I move for the Approval of the August 7, 2012 Workshop, Closed Session and Public Meeting.
Mrs. Labow: Second.
President Roman: It’s been moved and seconded, Roll Call.
ROLL CALL: Passed with the exception of Mrs. Labow and Mr. Walsh abstained.
LETTERS FROM RESIDENTS/ORGANIZATIONS
- E-mail received August 15, 2012, from the Warren Morris Council of Governments regarding Ethics Seminar. PDF Correspondence
LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES
- Email received August 3, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding 8-3-12 Affordable Housing. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 3, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding 8-3-12 DEP Waiver. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 5, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding the Mayor’s Newsline for August 2012. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 6, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding two upcoming League seminars. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 6, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding new content on DLGS Website. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 7, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Affordable Housing Trust Funds. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 8, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding three upcoming League seminars. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 9, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding new credits added to upcoming League seminar. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 10, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding opposition to A-2420/S-1651 and an upcoming League seminar. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 10, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding URGENT ALERT – Appellate Court Restrains COAH from Demanding or Receiving Housing Trust Funds. PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 13, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Nominations 11th Annual Innovation in Governance Awards & 2012 Mayors Hall of Fame Nominations, Updated Guidance on Affordable Housing Trust Fund, and Upcoming League Seminars. PDF Correspondence
- Letter received August 14, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding the Annual Business meeting. PDF Correspondence
- Letter received August 14, 2012, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding the 2012 League Conference Resolutions. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 14, 2012, from the New Jersey League of Municipalities via MCANJ Web Committee regarding Updated Guidance on Affordable Housing Trust Fund Dollars. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 14, 2012, from the New Jersey League of Municipalities regarding Two Upcoming League Seminars. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 15, 2012, from the New Jersey League of Municipalities regarding Three Upcoming League Seminars. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 15, 2012, from the New Jersey League of Municipalities regarding Bills Enacted by Governor. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 16, 2012, from the New Jersey League of Municipalities regarding 2012 Legislative Roster order Form. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 16, 2012, from the New Jersey League of Municipalities regarding Trial Court Decision in Gannett v Raritan. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 15, 2012, from the New Jersey League of Municipalities regarding CORRECTED COPY Bills Enacted by Governor and Upcoming Jersey Webinar & Workshop. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 16, 2012, from the Department of Community Affairs regarding League Professional Development Seminar. PDF Correspondence
DEP / DOT / LOI / HIGHLANDS / EPA / DEPT. OF AGRICULTURE / ABC / BIDS
- E-mail received August 3, 2012, from the New Jersey State Department of Environmental Protection regarding New Interactive Website Available for New Jersey Boaters. PDF Correspondence
- Public Notice received August 6, 2012, from the New Jersey State Office for Planning Advocacy regarding public hearing of the draft final State Strategic Alan. PDF Correspondence
- Letter received August 6, 2012 from Careaga Engineering regarding a LOI application for Drakes Brook Park. PDF Correspondence
- Letter received August 6, 2012 from Ransom Environmental regarding remedial action at 255-259 Route 46 (CVS site). PDF Correspondence
- Letter received August 10, 2012 from the New Jersey State Department of Environmental Protection regarding Washington Township’s wastewater management plan. PDF Correspondence
- Letter received August 10, 2012 from the New Jersey State Department of Environmental Protection regarding Treatment Works Approval for ITC Active Adult Community. PDF Correspondence
- Letter received August 13, 2012, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Transportation regarding Applications now being accepted for the New Jersey Department of Transportation’s 2013 State Aid Programs. PDF Correspondence
- Permit received August 14, 2012, from the New Jersey State Department of Environmental Protection regarding Applicant: Mount Olive Complex for the rehabilitation of the Morris County YMCA Dam. PDF Correspondence
- Letter received August 17, 2012, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection Re Draft Solid and Hazardous Waste Storage and Transfer Facility Permit Renewal, Veolia ES Technical Solutions, LLC, Block 4500, Lot 37 (1 Eden Lane, Flanders). PDF Correspondence
- Email received August 3, 2012, from the County of Morris regarding the McMatch Food Drive. PDF Correspondence
- Email Newsletter received August 6, 2012 from Morris County Planning and Development
- Explanation of Computed Tax Rates for Mt. Olive Township received August 10, 2012 from the Morris County Board of Taxation. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 10, 2012, from the County of Morris regarding News from County of Morris. PDF Correspondence
- E-mail received August 14, 2012, from the County of the Morris regarding McMatch-Registration Reminder. PDF Correspondence
- Notice of Public Hearings received August 10, 2012, from Pivotal Utility Holdings, Inc. d/b/a Elizabethtown Gas. PDF Correspondence
President Roman: Okay, we’re onto Correspondence. There are 37 pieces of Correspondence. Does anyone have any questions, comments? Okay, seeing none, we are onto Ordinances for First Reading. With a Second Reading of September 4, 2012.
ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING - none
ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING - second reading Sept. 4, 2012
President Roman: The next item on the Agenda for First Reading is:
Ord.#27-2012 Ordinance Amending Section 1 of Ordinance Numbered 34-2011 of the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Finally Adopted December 20, 2011 in Order to Amend the Source of Funding.
Mr. Mania: Thank you Mr. President. I move that ord. #27-2012 to be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held September 4, 2012, at 7:00 p.m. at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Budd Lake, NJ, for a public hearing, consideration of second reading and passage of said Ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available said Ordinance in accordance with the requirements of the law.
Mr. Perkins: Second.
President Roman: Moved and seconded. Is there any Council discussion? Seeing none, Roll Call.
ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously
President Roman: The next item on the Agenda for First Reading is:
Ord.#28-2012 Bond Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Providing a Supplemental Appropriation of $50,000 for the Acquisition of a Ladder Truck for Budd Lake Fire Department and Authorizing the Issuance of $47,500 Bonds or Notes of the Township for Financing Part of the Appropriation.
Mr. Walsh: I move that ord. #28-2012 to be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held September 4, 2012, at 7:00 p.m. at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Budd Lake, NJ, for a public hearing, consideration of second reading and passage of said Ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available said Ordinance in accordance with the requirements of the law.
Mr. Mania: Second.
President Roman: It’s been moved and seconded. Is there any Council discussion? Seeing none, Roll Call.
ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously
President Roman: Actually, I’m just noticing here, in our supplemental we have Ordinance #28 entitled differently as it is on our Agenda. Am I correct in reading that? Number 27 is being entitled what we just read for 28. So if it was read into the record the way I… then all we have to do is change the numbers in our supplement.
Mr. Perkins: Reverse them.
Mrs. Labow: I think you have to redo it don’t you?
Miss. Masser: Okay, so #28 is the ladder truck.
President Roman: The way I read it was 28 was the ladder truck. That’s the way it appears on our Agenda.
Mrs. Labow: It’s reversed.
Miss Masser: Can we publish if … the numbers should be reversed so since we haven’t published yet, can I change it when I send it over tomorrow for legal notices?
Mr. Perkins: It’s just introduction so we should be able to change it.
Miss Masser: Do we need to put that on the record?
President Roman: Well, the way I read it was… I read it the way it was on the Agenda. The way it showed up in our supplement, I guess all we have to do is just change the numbers.
Mayor Greenbaum: I’m not even sure you need to do that because we just agreed to put it in for First Reading. So you put it in as the way it was adopted.
Miss Masser: Okay.
Mayor Greenbaum: So 27 should be …
Miss Masser: 28?
Mayor Greenbaum: No, it should be the way that it is written on the Agenda. The way it was read into the record. #27 should be the funding, #28 should be the fire truck. The only difference is that on the hand outs everyone got, the numbers were wrong and it’s irrelevant.
Miss Masser: Okay, so what I’m going to do is on the Ordinances themselves I’m just going to switch the numbers so that…
Mayor Greenbaum: No, no.
President Roman: No.
Mayor Greenbaum: Yes.
Mr. Perkins: Yes.
Miss Masser: So that during publication..
Mayor Greenbaum: Yes.
Miss Masser: One is a bond Ordinance…
Mayor Greenbaum: That’s all you need to do.
Miss Masser: It has to be correct.
Mayor Greenbaum: Yes.
Miss Masser: Okay, so I’m just switching the numbers.
Mayor Greenbaum: Switching the numbers on actual Ordinances that are published.
Mr. Mania: You’re correct Michelle.
Miss Masser: Okay.
Mr. Mania: You’re absolutely correct.
Mr. Nicastro: That’s why she’s the Deputy.
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:
Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS – J. Nicastro
- Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a 2012 Grant Contract with Morris County Historic Preservation Trust for the Seward House.
- Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a Capital Budget Amendment for Budd Lake Fire Department Truck.
- Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to CFM Construction, Inc. for the Indian Spring Well House Project *Revised*.
- Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Rejecting all Bids for the Mobile Generator.
- Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Payment by Wire Transfer to Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services “CMS.”
- Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Submission of an Application for the Mount Olive Municipal Alliance Grant for Calendar Year 2013.
- Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris and State of New Jersey, Authorizing the Release of a Performance Bond, Cash Bond, and Inspection Fees for the Site Improvements for the Property Identified as Block 7702, Lot 44, Subject to the Posting of a Two Year Maintenance Bond (Sandhu).
- Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Commending Sergeant John Walker on his Retirement from the Mount Olive Township Police Department.
- Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Closing Alcrest Avenue on August 26, 2012, Between 12 PM and 8 PM for the Purpose of Holding a Block Party with a Rain Date of September 2, 2012.
President Roman: Alright, we’re onto Consent Resolutions. There are 9 Consent Resolutions. Does anyone wish to take any of them off and put them on to Non Consent? Okay, seeing none, Mr. Nicastro?
Mr. Nicastro: I move Resolutions 1 through 9.
Mr. Mania: Second.
PUBLIC PORTION ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS - None
COUNCIL COMMENTS ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS - None
President Roman: It’s been moved and seconded. Is there anyone from the public that wishes to be heard on any of the Consent Resolutions? Seeing none, any Council Comments? Okay, Roll Call.
ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously
RESOLUTIONS NON-CONSENT – None
PUBLIC PORTION ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS – None
COUNCIL COMMENTS ON INDIVIDUAL RESOLUTIONS – None
- Bill List.
President Roman: Okay, we’re onto Motions. Mr. Mania would you move the Bill List?
Mr. Mania: Mr. President, I move the Consent Motions, Bill List, number one.
Mrs. Labow: Second.
President Roman: It’s been moved and seconded. Is there anyone from the public that wishes to be heard or have any questions on the Bill List?
Nelson Russell, Budd Lake: Several years ago on the Bill List I picked up an expenditure of $1,000.00 for a chair for the Police Department which I questioned. I’m now looking on page four of the Bill List and I see, Montague Toll & Supply, $3,702.56 for miscellaneous supplies. Do we have a dollar limit on miscellaneous supplies? For the Fire Truck I never saw any supplies.
Mr. Canning: I do not have that answer off the top of my head. I’ll have to get your contact information and pull out the whole P.O. and hopefully…
Mr. Russell: There are a lot of miscellaneous supplies in this Bill List.
Mr. Canning: Hopefully I can get the whole P.O. for you before the end of the meeting. I’ll try for it.
Mr. Russell: I think it reduces transparency. Thank you.
Mayor Greenbaum: Can I just respond to that for a second? By the same token, I don’t necessarily disagree with you Nelson but by the same token, if we were to… the P.O.’s are available to anyone who wants to look at them so you can obviously look and I understand that not everybody has the time and the wherewithal to come up here but if we were to list every single item that was on a Bill List; you would end up spending more in employee time. I don’t know what’s on the P.O. itself but I’m sure that you know if you’re talking about buying staples and paper and all of that other stuff… you know there’s got to be a balance between what’s actually shown on the Bill List and what’s on the P.O.’s.
Mr. Russell: I recognize that but I think we can get a more… were talking about, the July electric bill for something. I think we can get a better explanation then miscellaneous supplies I think.
Mayor Greenbaum: Yes, suppose it said something, paper, staples and there was a description in terms of what was purchased in there.
Mr. Russell: Right.
Mayor Greenbaum: Is that what you’re looking for?
Mr. Russell: Yes.
Mayor Greenbaum: Okay, we’ll raise it with Sherry.
President Roman: Mrs. Labow?
Mrs. Labow: I just wanted to say Nelson that I do my taxes when I had my business, I would break everything down like toner cartridge, paper, pens. My accountant turned around and said, “You don’t have to break this down. It’s just miscellaneous supplies.” They just want to see miscellaneous supplies so from a business standpoint I had to do it the same way but like your saying, I was breaking every single thing down. Five pens, bought staples, bought paper.
President Roman: You have to go back up to the podium if you want to be heard.
Mrs. Labow: There is in the budget, there’s a line item, there’s a certain amount, there is a dollar limit that they have in the budget for miscellaneous supplies and they can’t go over that. Isn’t that correct?
President Roman: Mr. Canning, did you have an answer?
Mayor Greenbaum: Well, I have, it doesn’t necessarily answer Nelson’s concern but I do have the answer in terms of what that particular invoice was for. It’s for DPW and it’s for things such as safety cones, work gloves, cotton gloves, safety vests, safety vests, safety vests, bar oil for the machinery. Stihl oil, spelled S.T.I.H.L., sign flex, it’s all DPW stuff. If you just had an interest about this particular invoice I will leave it up there for you to review but I understand that your concern was greater than just this particular invoice.
Ms. Masser: You have to go to the podium, I’m sorry.
Mr. Russell: From the Bill List I can’t even see that it’s for DPW because I don’t know the charge account for the… the general ledger account codes.
Mayor Greenbaum: I understood your overall concern and will address it. It wasn’t necessarily invoice related it was a transparency issue.
Mr. Russell: It was transparency, yes.
Mayor Greenbaum: I understand. We will try to address it better.
President Roman: Okay, does anyone on Council have any questions on the Bill List? Okay, seeing none it’s already been moved and seconded. Roll Call please.
ROLL CALL Passed with the exception of Mr. Nicastro who abstained from check# 62060.
President Roman: Okay, we are on to Administrative Reports, Mr. Canning.
Mr. Canning: Mr. President, If I could I would just like to follow up on that. The reason why it’s not so clear on your DPW, this was paid for out of the Clean Communities grant. So on the heading on the Bill List, if you look further at the top…
President Roman: Yes, it says…
Mr. Canning: Federal and States Grants and this is Actually a Grant, not paid for out of your local tax dollars. It’s out of a Grant that DPW Director, Tim Quinn is able to get, so he’s able to offset some local expenses through the Clean Communities Grant. That’s why you’ll see it is a little confusing because of the small print. It’s just the way the system prints, the Edmunds system. It’s under the “Grants Section” so the fifth or sixth line down you’ll see, to address your question; the answer is “Clean Communities Grant” so it was Grant paid for.
Mayor Greenbaum: Also I see that the reports are generated by the computer so it’s going to be difficult to manually change the type of field information that’s put in there but perhaps what we can do is get a Bill List which is marked up that more clearly defines where the stuff is coming from and what this stuff is for so that it’s available for anyone who wants to show up here, who has a real interest in what’s on the Bill List.
Mr. Russell: We have situations where expenditures are split between different entities like the Budd Lake Sewer System as opposed to the Flanders Sewer System.
Mayor Greenbaum: Yes.
Mr. Russell: The fact that it is one invoice doesn’t mean that it can’t be split up into multiple line items.
Mayor Greenbaum: I understand that and I don’t think the solution is so simple to get a form that is going to answer the questions which you have raised today but we will look at it and see what we can do to better educate the public in terms of what the bills are on the list.
Mr. Russell: $3,700.00 is an awful lot of miscellaneous.
Mayor Greenbaum: I understand what you’re saying. We’re going to look at it and try to address it. I got your point completely.
Mr. Russell: Okay, thank you.
Mayor Greenbaum: And I don’t disagree with it.
President Roman: Okay, anything else from Administration?
Mayor Greenbaum: I’m sorry?
President Roman: Anything from Administration?
Mayor Greenbaum: We have a bunch of stuff. We’ve been busy.
President Roman: Fire away.
Mayor Greenbaum: Thank you. I hope all of you at this point have had a chance to go up to Turkey Brook. There are major things happening up there and the things which are happening up there are generally happening without the expenditure of tax dollars. If you’ve gone and seen what’s happening on filed number four which was originally the sand based field, it’s almost complete in terms of the turf. It is an excellent addition to the park! I was standing up there with Mr. Canning today and someone just passed by and said that the park is looking fantastic. Also through the efforts of the DPW department and several of the contractors in town, including several of the Councilmen; we’ve been able to add miles of paths to the back part of the park which now are available for walking which is great because it’s really opened up the back of Turkey Brook. I’m really excited about what’s happening up at Turkey Brook and the way that we’ve all been able to accomplish that for the benefit of the residents of Mount Olive. Now the only other thing that I wanted to bring up tonight was I got an e-mail from somebody who suggested that we paint the water tower down in Flanders behind the A&P. They wanted it similar to other towns. You know, “Welcome to Mount Olive”, Flanders Valley, whatever the case may be. We looked into it and obviously the tanks are on a painting schedule but it is just incredibly expensive and I’m not sure that we want to get back into the advertising business anyway. There is something “Shore like” about those water towers that are painted and I don’t know that it’s appropriate for Mount Olive but I think it costs about $300,000.00 to ultimately do it. We have to paint them at some point and time and when it comes up again, we should look at the issue as to whether or not we want to advertise the Town. You know, Welcome to Flanders Valley or whatever the case may be, Mount Olive Township.
President Roman: Well there goes me advertising on that.
Mr. Perkins: We’re going to put smiley faces on the top so that when airplanes ride over it…
President Roman: Sean?
Mr. Canning: I just have two things. Corey Road improvements are scheduled for tomorrow. The first phase, the line striping if the weather cooperates. The street stanchions are on order. We anticipate them this week. The Police Department is set to do the pre and post monitoring as with their plans. We’re hoping to have everything accomplished well before school starts.
Mayor Greenbaum: I have to tell you, I drove that rode last night at 30mph. At 30 not 25 and 30mph was fine the entire way.
Mr. Nicastro: Thirty is fine. You’re right, I was going to say, it’s perfect. Thirty is good.
Mrs. Labow: Yes.
Mayor Greenbaum: I know we changed it to…
President Roman: I drove that stretch of road and I will not be able to say how fast I was going. I would just like to commend the Administration on putting those paths in Turkey Brook because now on the occasions that I do decide to jog it, I no longer have to go in a left circular motion. I can now partake of the whole park and it makes for getting in a workout a whole lot easier. I was wondering if I could get a background on the basketball back boards. How is that coming along?
Mayor Greenbaum: We are on hold right now. Our original plan was to put the back boards in at Turkey Brook but when we found that the polls had been installed improperly; there actually at 11 feet and if you look at where the back boards are attached to the polls, the back board should be attached to the pole at or around the area where the hoop connects into the back board.
President Roman: That explains why I can’t dunk.
Mayor Greenbaum: Well first of all, you should stop playing football on the basketball court.
President Roman: I will try my best.
Mayor Greenbaum: I think the most likely result at this point is that the back boards that we purchased are going to be installed at Lou Nelson Park and that is going to be a premier… that’s going to be the main focus of Lou Nelson Park at this point is the basketball courts. We will look at redoing Flanders Park and Turkey Brook Basketball Courts when it’s absolutely necessary. It’s not really, in light of the issues that have been addressed; it’s not a high priority. It’s not worth spending that much money right now to do.
Mrs. Labow: Alex.
President Roman: Mrs. Labow?
Mrs. Labow: If we install kiddie courts, basketball courts in the tot lot, then you would be able to dunk.
President Roman: Yes I would, yes I would thank you.
Mrs. Labow: I would too actually.
President Roman: I’m pretty sure those kids would not want me playing with them.
Mr. Perkins: Not without a background check.
Mayor Greenbaum: It should be noted that we are looking to expand the tot lot at Turkey Brook and Lisa Pignataro is working on that as we speak because it’s been identified as one of the areas in the park that is most of need of improvement.
Mrs. Labow: Absolutely it is.
President Roman: Okay, we are on to another Old Business. Anyone from Council have any Old Business? Mrs. Labow.
Mrs. Labow: I just want to bring up Old Business. We talked about the States new Wastewater Management Regulations with the cess pools and having to put in a septic and I have to tell you, I came across the experience on Sunday showing houses out in Mansfield and wouldn’t you know it, the house that my buyers were particularly interested in have a cess pool so I had to call and get all the information. The house was actually reduced by $30,000.00 to accommodate the fact that the next people coming in were going to have to put a septic in.
Mr. Mania: That’s what they cost, thirty to forty grand.
Mrs. Labow: Thirty to forty grand, so my concern is, it really upset me that this really impacts the value of people’s property. $30,000.00 is a lot of money; so with that said, I was talking to an attorney over on Park Place in Old Flanders and I asked him. Because he had said to me, when are we asked me, when are we going to get sewers?
Mayor Greenbaum: Matt Johnson?
Mrs. Labow: Yes, Matt. Did you talk to Matt?
Mayor Greenbaum: No I didn’t. I just know Matt.
Mrs. Labow: Well I said to Matt, I said… he goes we really need septics here.
Mayor Greenbaum: Sewers.
Mrs. Labow: We need a sewer system here. We have to get rid of… I said let me ask you something. How many buildings here do you think have cess pools in them? He said, probably all of them. I think we have to kind of look at this a little more and see if we want to put the sewers in there.
Mayor Greenbaum: I think they’re all septics back there. They’re not cess pools as far as I know.
Mrs. Labow: You think they’re all septics?
Mayor Greenbaum: I think they’re all septics because when we raised the issue, we had talked to… when we dealt with this issue in detail, the major concern of the people was that they already had or hadn’t put in a new septic system and they didn’t want to ultimately spend additional money to hook up into a system that they’ve already paid. I don’t disagree that sewers in that part of Old Flanders would be a great thing. The cost associated to the homeowners down there, if you can’t get a critical mass to pick up the cost of the improvements would be staggering. I’m more than happy if this Council decides that they want to fund that type of project and you’re going to have significant opposition from at least 50% and you’ll have just on the other side, you’ll have very positive feedback from 50% of people.
Mrs. Labow: Yes.
Mayor Greenbaum: If that’s a decision that this Council wants to make, I’m in favor of it but ultimately we never were able to get the kind of consensus that really moved that issue forward on behalf of those people who wanted it because the costs were just so staggering for those who didn’t…
Mrs. Labow: The reason why I’m bringing it up is that if we know how many are cess pools or not because if we’re talking about devaluating a property... I know how expensive it was because I was here on the Council when we talked about the project to begin with and but if you’re telling me that most of them are septics, not cess pools.
Mayor Greenbaum: I would bet… Ray might know.
Mr. Perkins: Almost all septic. All of those are septics. The majority of anybody that’s got cess pools left is in Vasa Park.
Mrs. Labow: Oh ya, okay.
Mr. Perkins: So if you’re going to sell a house in Vasa Park, you need to be concerned.
Mrs. Labow: But that’s a whole different subject because you don’t own the land at Vasa Park. You only own the house so you’re only selling the house itself.
Mayor Greenbaum: I’m sure you own the cess pool too.
Mr. Mania: Ya, I’m sure you own the cess pool.
Mrs. Labow: No, you don’t own the land. I know that’s a good question so I won’t go over to Vasa now. I love that community. Anyway, I just want to bring that up because I was really surprised that here I brought it up to the Council and then low and behold a month later I was like faced with that problem so it was like, oh boy.
President Roman: Does anyone else have any Old Business? Any New Business? Legal Matters?
Mr. Augello: I have none.
President Roman: Okay, were onto Council Reports. I have nothing for Recreation. Board of Health, Mr. Perkins.
Recreation Liaison Report
Board of Health Report
Mr. Perkins: Nothing to Report Mr. President.
President Roman: Legislative Committee?
Legislative Committee Report
Mr. Walsh: Nothing this meeting.
President Roman: Planning Board?
Planning Board Report
Mr. Walsh: Nope
President Roman: Do we know when the Planning Board will be looking at the Affordable Housing application? Is that still far ahead in the calendar?
Mr. Walsh: Yeah, not yet, not yet.
Mayor Greenbaum: You talking about Cobblestone?
President Roman: Yes.
Mr. Greenbaum: We are a long way away from…
President Roman: So there’s not even been an application started I assume.
Mayor Greenbaum: No, no in fact we met with one of the homeowners today who had been to the Council meeting, Chuck McGroarty and with Dan McGuire from Homeless Solutions to start giving out some of the information related to what the process would be. What Homeless Solutions is all about, what they are looking to do, to address some of the concerns about the procedural aspects and everyone will be notified who has been here and has expressed concerns as to the next steps that are going to happen in the process. How far away would you say we are from any Planning Board…it’s so far out in the future I don’t know that I could give you an estimate right now.
President Roman: Fair enough, thank you. Okay, anything from the Board of Education?
Board of Education Liaison Report
Mr. Walsh: Next meeting is this coming Monday so I’ll have something for the next meeting.
Mrs. Labow: How much are they selling the building for? Do you know?
Mr. Walsh: I’ll find out.
President Roman: Open Space, Mr. Ferrante is not here for Lake or Library. Safety Committee, Mr. Nicastro?
Open Space Committee Report
Lake/Environment Issues Committee
Library Board Liaison
Safety Committee Liaison
Economic Development Committee Report
Mr. Nicastro: Nothing on Safety or Economic.
President Roman: On the Safety Committee, last time you had spoken about the discussion… it did start about Old Wolfe being a One Way.
Mr. Nicastro: Correct.
President Roman: Did that get turned down? Is that something that…
Mr. Nicastro: No, we did not have another meeting to discuss any of it. It will be quarterly.
President Roman: Alright, anything for Economic Development?
Mr. Nicastro: Nope, nope.
President Roman: I’m sorry, Mr. Perkins?
Mr. Perkins: Thank you Mr. President. Joe, one thing we recommend is a lot of times you’re better off sending an e-mail. Send an e-mail through to Fred and the other Chiefs and Captains because you know you get that mass e-mail from the group. Send them out an e-mail posing the question. A lot of times that puts it on their Agenda because typically if they’re only meeting once a quarter it will be a while before that comes back and that way you can at least get them thinking, with some thought process in to it and you will get some responses back. Thank you Mr. President.
President Roman: Okay, Economic Development?
Mr. Nicastro: Nothing.
President Roman: Senior Citizen
Senior Citizen Liaison
Mr. Mania: Seniors had a meeting today and they served ice cream sundaes. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to attend. I really wanted to taste one of those ice cream sundaes.
Mr. Perkins: But my mother enjoyed it.
Mr. Mania: Did she?
Mr. Perkins: Had a great time and she’s one of the champions on the shuffle board so…
Mr. Mania: How about bocce? Does she play bocce?
Mr. Perkins: She doesn’t play bocce. She’s Polish not Italian. It’s the other side of my family that’s Italian.
Mr. Mania: We can teach Polish people to play bocce.
Pride Committee Report
President Roman: First they have to pronounce it. Pride Committee, Mrs. Labow?
Mrs. Labow: Nothing to report.
President Roman: TNR?
Mrs. Labow: TNR is actually, I have to say last year, 11 months ago, one of our foster cats was moved to another foster home temporarily while the original one was on their honeymoon and the cat got out, got out the window. They did extensive searching trying to find it. It was very distressful. His name was Zander who was one of our, like the poster cat kind of in all of the mail that they sent out and they searched everywhere. After a few months they just figured, you know, we’re not ever going to find Zander. Well, low and behold last week, Zander was trapped by Animal Control clear across town and so one of the requests that TNR had for our Animal Control officer was to take pictures of the cats which Mr. Canning is working with us. The point being that sometimes owners can match up their cats much easier from a picture than from a description because one might call a cat grey, one might call it another color, black or whatever so it makes it very difficult but pictures are really good. It was through this picture that they took and posted that the group was able to recognize and they ran over and got him so it saved the Township $60.00 in boarding fees. We are trying to get that set up where we are taking pictures. Like say if you had a cat or your dog if your dog got away, you would send a picture to the town, they would upload it and this way if somebody sees a dog, same thing if one is captured and brought over to Golub’s, and you see… “Oh my god it’s my dog.” and you can ride over. Pictures are much easier, so this was just a perfect example on how, like they say a picture is worth a thousand words. You can have any description you want but you don’t match it up from the description but you do from the picture. That was pretty exciting. That was a real nice, positive thing.
President Roman: Mr. Canning?
Mr. Canning: If I could add to that. TNR has been in touch with me. It was through the I WORKS system that they were able to see. When Willie had done it, it was part of our protocol. He uploads the photos and TNR, who has access, was able to see it right away. Just in response, Scott Gaskill is looking to see if we can do a side link. Either attached bidders site or somewhere off of Animal Control after talking to Willie. They have a clearing house with lost and found, whether we host it or TNR or something. We are trying to find a technical solution to move it along.
Mrs. Labow: The other thing I was thinking about too was the pictures. I mean you have surrounding towns. I mean, a dog or a cat, they don’t know what the boundaries are. They could be in Washington Township and somebody from Washington could lose their dog and it could be… we could be impounding it and it’s only another half a mile away. If we could kind of do something with the other towns once we get it set up and everybody participates in it. For one thing it reunites the pets with their owners and it saves all municipalities money because this stuff costs. You all know that TNR, before TNR we were spending $20,000.00 a year at Golub’s and know we’re spending a fraction of that amount. Boarding fees are very, very expensive.
President Roman: Mr. Perkins:
Mr. Perkins: I’d like to add that definitely one of the better things to do and pictures are great. I mean unfortunately for as great as pictures are, when I adopted one of my first cats from Noah’s Ark it was from a family of five and they were identical tabbies. The only reason that we knew that we liked the cat was because Derek really loved it and that was just a cat that went to him because all of them looked the same. Nothing short of micro chipping. Micro chipping is the best possible way for you to get your lost pet back. Our Animal Control Officer has a scanner. Almost every single Veterinarian and Animal Control has one. If you have a micro chip, and it’s relatively small cost… you give that number to our Health Department, to our Animal Control. They will keep that log and if that cat or dog gets scanned, you will have notification within an hour. It’s an extra way. I mean the photos are great, it’s another way to help people get reunited with their pets but by all means, encourage people to microchip.
Mrs. Labow: The other thing to with the micro chips I’ve learned is, if you register with a micro chip company its rather expensive, but if you don’t register with them, they still track the serial numbers so it’s still able to find the general location if not the exact owner. As you said, if they register their number, their chip number with the Township when they do their license… because a lot of people say I don’t want to do a chip, it’s so expensive to register it. Well you don’t have to go that route. You can utilize it in other ways.
President Roman: Okay, we’re onto our last Public Portion. Does anyone from the public wish to be heard?
Ned McDonnell, Budd Lake: The Indian Spring Well House Project, that half million dollars, where’s that funding coming from? Is it coming out of the whole Township or out of a water utility or what?
Mr. Canning: I haven’t been at Mr. Quinn’s past meetings when this is brought up to address this but I know enough generalities about the project. Apparently this started back about 2007 when Mr. Quinn recognized the need at Indian Spring. That the structures there… there’s two of them from what I understand. Again I’m not the expert in this but there are two structures which are failing and the internal plumbing I guess has to be redirected or what have you there. The funding for this comes from the water utility and this project has evolved through 2007 up to 2012 because we had a meeting on this prior to the July bid and it’s gotten to the point where it is a half million dollar project. Myself, Sherry and Mr. Quinn met with this. Met with Timmy about this project and said, okay is this the bare bones? Is this absolutely necessary because I recognized it to be a large expenditure as well and yes he said absolutely this water system is vital to continue to provide water service and clean water for that area of service. If you want, in the future we can try to have Mr. Quinn address you or we can stop up like we normally do. When he was asked directly, this comes from the water utility and it’s absolutely necessary for the continued safe operation. Two structures are going to be knocked down and one in its place that will cover the entire…
Mr. McDonnell: But it is 100% from the water utility? Not from the general…
Mr. Canning: Yes, it’s from the water utility from what I understand from the bonding that Sherry has done. Again, I can confirm that for you with Sherry and I’ll get back to you.
Mr. McDonnell: Okay, thanks.
Mr. Canning: You’re welcome.
President Roman: Okay, alright, no one else from the public wish to be heard? We’re onto closing Council comments. Mr. Perkins?
Mr. Perkins: Thank you Mr. President. There was just one quick comment for everyone. It was a sad week last week. We lost one of our residents here. Mr. Roy Hildebrandt from Iona Farms, 48 years old, passed away, lost his fight with melanoma. If memory serves me correctly, that was the first farm here in Mount Olive Township that we got the farm grants, the farm assessment grants for. That will always remain a farm. I think he made the first application and we awarded that. I believe that was the first farm so tremendous loss, fantastic family, wonderful place. For the past 26 years I’ve been going there. We petted the wolf dogs when he had those and we used to take our family that came up from the city to see the horses. It’s always sad to have someone that’s that known in our community, especially at such a young age. I would ask everybody to please remember him and his family in their prayers. Thank you Mr. President.
President Roman: Mr. Mania?
Mr. Mania: None.
President Roman: Mr. Nicastro?
Mr. Nicastro: None.
President Roman: Mr. Walsh?
Mr. Walsh: None.
President Roman: Mrs. Labow?
Mrs. Labow: None.
President Roman: As the Mayor approaches, I would like to commend the Mayor on a “well procedure.” I understand everything went well.
Mayor Greenbaum: Still here.
President Roman: No ill effects from his procedure. I was really hoping that his voice would have taken a hit but…
Mrs. Labow: Ya, I didn’t call him because I didn’t think he could talk.
President Roman: Sad to say, he is still able to speak.
Mayor Greenbaum: That’s so kind of you.
Mr. Mania: Sad to say, he’s still able to speak.
Mayor Greenbaum: That’s so kind of you.
President Roman: Hey, I do what I can with the limited skills God gave me. Yes, as far as Mr. Hildebrandt there, it’s definitely a sad occasion when we lose anyone in our community. Especially at such a tender age and the Hildebrandt family have been around Mount Olive since way before I stepped foot in this fine Township. I personally know the children and though they are a resilient bunch, I’m sure they’re feeling the loss and let’s all hold the family in our prayers. With that I would like to entertain a Motion to Adjourn.
ADJOURNMENT - Motion made and seconded. All in favor, none opposed, the meeting was adjourned at 8:45 pm.
Alex Roman, Council President
I, Lisa Lashway Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes are a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on September 18, 2012.
Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk