Mount Olive Township Council Minutes
November 27, 2001
Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called
to order at 7:30pm by Council President Rattner with the Pledge
of Allegiance to the Flag.
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice
of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle
and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at
in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt.
Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting
ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Sohl,
Mrs. Miller, Mr. Spino, Mr. Scapicchio,
President Rattner: I would also like to acknowledge other
Township Officials that are with us tonight, the Mayor, Paul
Licitra; the Business Administrator, Sandy Kaplan; the Township
Attorney, John Dorsey; and Township Clerk, Lisa Lashway.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING:
November 20, 2001 CS Present: Mr. Rattner, Mr. Scapicchio,
Mrs. Miller, and Mr. Guenther
Absent from Executive Session but present at rest of meeting:
Mr. Heymann, Mr. Sohl
Absent: Mr. Spino
Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the minutes and Mrs.
Miller seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr. Spino
ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING
Ord. #28-2001 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the
Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Acquisition of Charters
Farm and Appropriating the Sum of $900,000 Therefor.
Mr. Guenther moved for Ordinance #28-2001 be introduced by
Title and Passed on First Reading and that a meeting be held
on December 18, 2001 and Mr. Spino seconded that motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
Mr. Dorsey: Just so you know. I did the proposed contract
for our purchase of Charters Farm. I spoke to the assistant
County Counsel; Randy Bush. He tells me that the understanding
that we were given namely the County would come up with one
half the purchase price is correct. That they would pay one
half of the closing costs is correct. That is there is a sale
of the property as anticipated they would share one half of
the proceeds and the property would be subject to the Farmland
Preservation Conservation easement. They even drew this memorandum
of understanding have sent both the memorandum of understanding
between the Township because the Township will be the only
person on the deed to Bush for his review and the contract
with Charters. I am now waiting for him to respond because
once he says the contract is in satisfactory form I could
send it on to Charters Attorney having advised them that we
were in the process of doing this. So I did not want to let
the open space girls down.
President Rattner: On to Resolutions now. The Resolution
authorizing the contract has been removed from the original
agenda, because we have to wait until the Ordinance is approved.
Also on the amended agenda, you heard the Mayor a few minutes
ago request Resolution No. 4 be taken off until after he has
his meeting with all the parties involved with the Turkey
Brook Project. So that will probably be looked at next week.
RESOLUTIONS B NON CONSENT
Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount
Olive Authorizing a Contract for the Purchase of a Tract of
Land Known as Charters Farm Encompassing Block 900, Lot 1;
Block 8300, Lots 3 & 4 in the Township of Mount Olive
for a Purchase Price of $900,000.00 - off - adopt on Dec 18th
when Ordinance #28-01 is adopted
1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Retaining the Services of D2L Associates, Inc.
in Connection with the Township's Water and Sewer Systems.
Mr. Sohl moved for adoption of Resolution No. 1 and Mr. Guenther
seconded that motion.
President Rattner: Any discussion? Anybody from the Public?
Richard Bonte, Budd Lake, NJ: I am still confused about this
contract. Wasn't one of the requirements for abolishing the
Water & Sewer Department Supervisory Position or a Department
Head I guess; creating a DPW, is that we were going to bring
on board a person that would have all of the qualifications
necessary to perform the job including the proper licenses
to operate the water and sewer treatment plants?
Mayor Licitra: My memory is not the greatest. I don't remember
that requirement at all.
Mr. Guenther: The way I understand it. This is being necessitated
by the fact that Mr. Velco left and that there's a hole to
plug temporarily. Am I correct Mark? This is not a permanent
solution that you are either through promotion by training
the proper individuals getting their proper licenses going
to be bringing somebody into that position that was left to
fill that slot. Strictly temporary.
Mr. Bonte: But that does not answer my question. I was under
the impression, one of the requirements for the position of
Department Head of the DPW was that the individual would possess
the necessary educational background and licenses to be able
to perform the job. That's what I thought was one of the reasons
why we combined these positions and created this new position.
Mr. Sohl: I don't think we expected every license that is
conceivably needed there. That would be a pretty extensive
set of licenses.
Mr. Spino: I honestly don't remember that. I don't think
in my recollection of that when we discussed that, that it
was we said the person that was hired was going to have licenses.
You might be right, but I don't remember. The only way we
are going to find out is if we have that written down somewhere.
But I don't remember that. I know we were looking for someone
with experience in certain areas, but I don't remember saying
that the person had to have licenses.
Mark DiGennaro: I responded to the advertisement in the newspaper
that was published by the Board and it was for a Certified
Public Works Manager Certificate, which is the requirement
for licensing at the level of the Director of the Department
of Public Works and that was the extent of it.
President Rattner: I don't remember the exact on the Public
Works Director. Although I do remember when the Mayor advised
us that he was not going to reappoint Mr. Rakowski which he
had full support of, from this Board and that it had somebody,
at the time it was Mr. Velko. I believe at the time Mr. Velko
got a promotion because he was going to be named and he had
the proper licenses to be the operator of record. So he was
going to be the person whose license at that time was going
to be used. I do remember that part. As far as something else.
I remember a lot of things about interviewing the Public Works
Director, but I don't remember specific licenses that were
discussed. We were told that Mr. Velko was going to be the
Licensed Operator of Record.
Mr. Bonte: Is D2L Associates presently on Board performing
work for us now?
Mr. DiGennaro: I had them on Board in reviewing our reports
as they have been going on. Yes.
Mr. Bonte: Was there authorization from the Council to do
Mr. DiGennaro: If I don't get approval by the Council, then
I spent one month worth of services for a professional service
on a gap measure.
Mr. Bonte: How did we spend that money if we did not have
authorization from the Council to do that?
Mr. DiGennaro: I don't necessarily think I need to get authorization
from the Council to spend money up to $17,500. That is the
Mr. Dorsey: Lets not confuse that. The Bid limit is $17,500.
Under $17,500 you don't have to take formal bids. But that
is not the issue here. The issue is that the Township Council
adopted a Budget. I assume that there are various line items
within that Budget providing for the operation of the Water
and the Sewer Systems. The adoption of that Budget essentially
authorizes the expenditure of those sums for those purposes.
So if you spend one month which is $1900, you are still within
the law because it is only after you reach $2500 that the
Council must approve each voucher. Some things have to be
done on a temporary basis because you have to have someone
whose certification DEP will accept.
Mr. Bonte: They have only been on for a month.
Mr. DiGennaro: Three weeks.
Mr. Bonte: How long have we known that this problem was going
to come about?
Mr. DiGennaro: It shouldn't have come about. How long did
we know about it?
Mr. Bonte: Well I understand that an employee can resign
and leave or whatever. How long have we had knowledge that
this situation was going to exist; that we would need an outside
firm to do this?
Mr. DiGennaro: October 10.
Mr. Bonte: Thank you.
President Rattner: Anybody else from the Public?
Ray Perkins, Budd Lake, NJ: I just wanted to add a couple
comments to the Council on the agreement that our DPW director
is entering into. I think most of you know, I do hold a W3
and a T2 License for the New Jersey Department of Environmental
Protection. I am quasi familiar and they more than meet the
requirements, except I don't go into the stinky side of the
water. I stay on the clean side. Mr. DiGennaro and I have
spoken, I am confident that he has taken the appropriate steps
by looking for an outside firm. Reports are due on the tenth
of the month immediately following the month that the records
were taken. I would strongly suggest that the Council support
this. Thank you.
President Rattner: Anybody else from the Public? Close the
Mr. Scapicchio: I would propose that we table this. Not because
I don't think we need someone on board, but I am not satisfied
that we have received a sufficient number of quotes to make
the proper choice. I would suggest that we obtain at least
one or possibly two other quotes before we move forward on
Mr. Sohl: I understand your concern Dave. The $1900 even
when you divide it on a straight hourly basis for the six
hours per week works out to be about $80.00 an hour. Actually
this is very reasonable in the contracting arena for a scope
of services type of activities I don' t think you are going
to do very much better than that. I think there is an immediate
need here that has to be met. Might you find somebody else
that comes in $1800 or $1700. It's possible.
Mayor Licitra: I think at this point we have done our due
diligence and we have somebody coming to the table at this
point. I just think you are running into a problem at that
point on the requirements that the DEP set down. I heard most
of this the last week. Regarding what Mark was just saying
about the time frame. As long as you due diligence and it
is an unbroken chain of events of some sort. Again, I would
recommend that we go with this, because if not, I don't know
if we could stand a test.
Mr. Guenther: This is open ended though.
Mr. Sohl: No it's not. Six months.
Mr. Guenther: I'm sorry, I don't understand. Where does it
Mr. Sohl: In the agreement itself. I did not look at the
Resolution I was looking at the
Mr. Guenther: I am looking at the Resolution. It doesn't
That is the only problem I have with it. I would
like to see what Mr. DiGennaro said about promoting people
from within in up to that level to see that be part of it.
In other words this is strictly a stop gap measure to handle
a temporary situation and not let these things go dragging
on. We have had this situation in other cases where all of
the sudden we keeping meeting the consultant month after month
Mr. DiGennaro: If I may you look on Page two of the November
21, 2001 letter. First paragraph. It is for a period of six
months. They originally wanted a year and I was not satisfied
with that because I wanted to be able to scale it down in
the event that our staff is licensed before then. And also
evaluate them. Secondly Mr. Scapicchio, this is a Professional
Services Contract. I do not believe I am required to get the
Mr. Scapicchio: It does not matter whether you are required
or not. I know the law. That is not the point. I think it
is a responsible way to conduct business. I would like to
see if the Council is inclined to move on this Resolution
as proposed I would like to see a time limit. The other question
I have is there is a list of additional charges and fee schedules.
Do we know what anticipated Professional Services we are going
to Mr. Scapicchio (cont'd): utilize of this firm above and
beyond the $1900 that's included in this Resolution?
Mr. DiGennaro: I am not really certain that we should be discussing
this at this point. I would like to discuss this in my office.
We could discuss this and the whole restructuring of the Water
Department is what my plan is. To answer Mr. Guenther's question.
Yes. To stop gap to cover the bridge and to give people qualified
training so they can better themselves and get their licenses
and their licenses and keep them here in the Township. I have
a plan and I would be willing to share that with you overall.
I have an open door policy. I would encourage you guys to
come down and talk to me.
Mr. Scapicchio: Well if there is a plan. I would like to
see that plan, hear that plan and talk about that plan. I
am not quite sure that the appropriate place to do that and
correct me if I am wrong is in your office. You propose this
Resolution in a Public Meeting and if there is additional
reasons as to why we should move on this, lets talk about
Mr. Heymann: I don't think we could talk about any plan because
it is going to involve personnel. I don't think we could do
Mayor Licitra: Steve would you jump in please. I had this
discussion with you.
President Rattner: Mayor, you wanted to say something, you
had your hand up.
Mayor Licitra: Again. I am not going to discuss Mark's Personnel
issues in Public. I did ask the Council President to put a
Committee together of three. I think you have to again understand
what Mark is doing in his department and the changes in his
department and why he is going forward. I think after you
get educated in that, you will probably be more attune to
saying that Mark is doing a great job as most of us know.
President Rattner: Mayor, I think two different issues came
up. What Mr. Scapicchio is talking about is the Resolution.
I was ready to support it until I heard that there may be
other things. I am not sure how much I am going to spend.
I am not sure if I am willing to pass a Resolution that is
completely open ended. That was the issue that I just heard.
Mr. DiGennaro: I feel comfortable enough to answer that question.
This is a standard proposal that they put out to any one of
their projected clients. If they were to incur the full responsibility
of the daily operations and maintenance of all the facilities,
they would certainly have to take samples and send the sample
out to their laboratories or their own in house laboratories.
We have been running the plant for the past 15, 20 years down
there with our staff. Even with the current supervisor that
is no longer with us, he was supported by the staff that we
currently have. Both sampling, reporting, testing and inspections
and repairs. So everything is going to run they way it has
always run with the exception that the oversight for the report
and the compliance issue is going to be overseen by this outfit.
Our labs are all paid by us. All the samples are collected
by us. All the testing is done by us. That is not going to
change. Unless of course there may be a sudden need for a
special test that it is convenient to go and let them do it.
I don't foresee that. So that schedule of fees is a typical
adjunct to the contract.
President Rattner: Before we go any further. Vice President
Scapicchio actually put a motion to table this. Is there anybody
who wants to second that? Then we could move on from there.
Mr. Spino: I have a question on what is fair? Everyone was
able to speak. I had my hand up before you started to speak
and now I can't speak.
President Rattner: Is there a second for Mr. Scapicchio's
Mr. Spino: I was going to, but now I am not.
Mr. Guenther: I would like to propose an alternative.
President Rattner: First we have finish this and then we
could get back into regular discussion. Mr. Sohl, is that
Mr. Sohl: No.
Mr. Spino: I think we should have had other quotes and I
agree with David on that, from other firms. I would like to
see that this is for six months. I have no problem with that
and I am glad there is at least a plan in the thought process,
if not completed on a chart somewhere. However, at the end
of that six month period we have both either or other vendors
to choose from, or to have submitted for proposals and the
plan; on what the department is going to be doing or how it
is going to take shape in the future. If I get that, then
I have no problem.
Mr. Guenther: I would like to propose an amendment to this.
I went through what I think is their proposal, they are referring
to a page 13 on the rate set forth. There is no page 13. It
is not properly numbered. So if you are going to refer back
to the document to use, it is not even properly referenced
. Also I would like to add that the $1900 per month for a
limit of six months, and then in some from of wording at the
end of that six months we will be reviewing a permanent staffing
change to the department that will proclude the need for further
use of a consultant.
Mr. Sohl: I think Bernie is going in the right direction.
I also have been noticing that the way the second paragraph
of the resolution last line reads. $1900 a month for set services
or hourly rates. Actually, we are going to pay $1900 a month
no matter what. So it should read $1900 a month for set services
and an hourly rate for additional services as set forth on
page 13. I think that needs a cap.
Mr. DiGennaro: Are you reading from the Resolution?
Mr. Sohl: Yes.
Mr. DiGennaro: I did not write the Resolution.
Mr. Sohl: I understand that. Although we have to deal with
the Resolution. Don't take offense.
Mr. DiGennaro: I am not. I am just confused.
Mr. Sohl: I think there is a criticality here. No town in
this State is dealt equability by the DEP. We get ourselves
in deep trouble that will far exceed $1900 a month if something
falls in the crack. So that is my override and concern. DEP
fines you $10,000 at the drop of a hat.
Mr. Dorsey: That is correct.
President Rattner: That is what I was going to say. If you
sign your name on the wrong line, they are going to fine you.
So we know we need it. I don't think there is any discussion.
If we are worried about that, why don't we just put on here
that capping at that. Right now this Resolution covers up
$1900 a month, if they have the plan and everything else we
could go on. But at least he could get the basic stuff and
get the reports done at this point. Then he has a little bit
of time, he could come back either with the committee or something
else. We have to go with somebody to sign these reports.
Mr. Scapicchio: If we are going to cap it why don't we cap
it at a total dollar amount rather than a fixed $1900. If
we are going to give him six months, lets multiply the 19x6
and make that part of the Resolution.
President Rattner: But that would allow him to spend it in
Mr. Dorsey: You don't want to do that.
Mr. Scapicchio: Why would you spend it in a month?
President Rattner: Well with the hourly things that are attached.
Mr. Scapicchio: What other services do you anticipate to
President Rattner: Lets do that separately. Lets just go
$1900 a month for six months.
Mr. Dorsey: Okay. The last line of the second paragraph now
says $1900 per month for a set of services for a period not
to exceed six months.
President Rattner: Then if he has a different proposal for
something else you have time to put that proposal together.
Mr. Scapicchio: I would also make the suggestion to the Administration
that if we find the services are Mr. needed that we try to
get some additional quotes from other venders for the six-month
period. Otherwise we will be back in the same place.
Mr. Dorsey: We are going to amend the last line of the second
paragraph. It will read $1900 per month for a set of services
for a period of six months.
Mr. Guenther: That's what we are voting on?
Mr. Dorsey: We are voting on the Resolution as amended with
the phrase I just read.
Mr. Guenther: All right. I just want to know what I am voting
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
Mr. Guenther: One more comment. I still, even though it was
not put in here, I want to make it very clear, and it is for
the record, and everybody here, within in the six-month period
I expect to have an executive session if they would. Specifically
a plan as to what the succession will be with a permanent
solution to this rather then using a consultant.
President Rattner: The Mayor has asked that a personnel committee
be put together with some members from the Council. Do we
have some volunteers? Mr. Guenther. Anybody else? Mr. Spino.
If it continues over to January the new Council President
could always add another person on. Mayor you have Mr. Guenther
and Mr. Spino. Okay. Next item we have on the agenda.
2. A Resolution to Reject the Bids for the Turkey Brook Park
Site Development Package.
Mrs. Miller moved the Adoption of Resolution No. 2 and Mr.
Sohl seconded the motion.
President Rattner: Would anybody from the Public like to
discuss this Resolution? Close the Public Session. Any discussion?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
3. A Resolution to Reject the Bid for the Turkey Brook Building
Mr. Spino moved for Adoption of Resolution No. 3 and Mr. Guenther
seconded the motion.
President Rattner: Would anybody from the Public like to
address this Resolution? Seeing none I will close the Public
Session. Any Council discussion?
Roll Call: Passed Unanimously.
President Rattner: Okay, as we said No. 4 has been removed.
We have a motion. Mr. Guenther.
1. Approval of Voucher for $204,482.88 Voller's Construction
for Turkey Brook Park.
Mr. Guenther moved for approval of the motion and Mr. Scapicchio
seconded that motion.
President Rattner: Any discussion?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
Mr. Dorsey: Mr. Sohl. Did you want a Resolution on McDowell?
Mr. Sohl: Yes
Mr. Dorsey: Whereas, the McDowells who own a residence located
on Waterloo Valley Road have requested for a long period of
time the ability to connect to the Township's Wastewater System
and ultimately to the MSA Treatment Facility.
Whereas, this matter has been reviewed by the Township Engineer
who has determined that the property owned by the McDowell's
is located within the MSA service area but that the Wasterwater
Management plan adopted by the MSA does not provide for that
area in which the McDowell property is located to be serviced
by sanitary sewers; and
Whereas, he has further advised the Township this evening
that there is an abbreviated method by which the McDowelll's
can achieve a connection to the MSA system which does not
require an amendment to the Wastewater Management Plan adopted
by the MSA and is treated as an exception because the flow
from that facility will be less then 6,000 gallons per day;
Mr. Dorsey (cont'd): Whereas these matters are essentially
within the domain and jurisdiction of the MSA and the MSA
has taken the Position that it does not deal with private
parties but only with Municipalities, which comprise it's
Now, therefore be it resolved the Township Council Township
of Mount Olive that it hereby requests the MSA to take all
appropriate action so that the McDowell property located on
Waterloo Valley Road may be connected to the Sanitary Sewer
System for which the MSA provides treatment facilities; and
Be it Further Resolved that the Mayor is requested to direct
a letter to the MSA requesting specifically that they take
all necessary steps so that the McDowell Property can be treated
as a property to be serviced by sanitary sewer, treated by
the MSA as quickly as possible.
Mr. Sohl moved for the approval of this Resolution and Mr.
Guenther seconded the motion.
President Rattner: Any discussion? Anybody from the Public
like to address this Resolution? Seeing none, close the Public
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.
President Rattner: Also Mark, check with Gene Buczynski first
thing in the morning and have him call over and find out what
he needs. If there is any problem at all give me a call. I
will be in my office and we will find out whatever we have
to do to get this thing moving. Gene made a statement that
he thought that he sent a memo maybe last summer or something
or copied him on something that is Gene is going to put together
what is needed to modify the Wastewater Management Plan. If
there is any problem with the MSA because they have been waiting
and they are at the end of their time line that they have.
So if there is any problems, give me a call.
Library Board Liaison Report
Mr. Sohl: Well, there was a meeting. It went fairly routine.
Again they are very happy with the apparent activity at the
State level which is looking like almost a full $1,000,000
grant towards the construction of the new Library.
Mr. Heymann: There will be a Turkey Brook meeting this Friday
at 11:00 am with Turkey Brook Representatives from Olympus,
myself and a lot of other people.
Board of Health Report
Mr. Scapicchio: No report.
Planning Board Report
Mr. Spino: No report.
Open Space Committee Report
Mrs. Miller: They meet soon. The second Monday of the Month.
Legislative Committee Report
Mr. Guenther: None at this time.
Master Plan Report
Mr. Scapicchio: No report
Pride Committee Report
Mr. Guenther: Just Briefly we keep working on the welcome
signs and approaching the businesses to sponsor those, and
the exit signs and some suggestions have been asked for from
the members of the Mr. Guenther (cont'd): committee as to
what those should say. Plans are going ahead with locations
of banner placements in Flanders and two Welcome Banners to
Budd Lake. So things are moving ahead.
Colleen Labow: I just have a question. In the Daily Record
this past week on Friday the 23rd, there was an article about
the insurance bill. Did you see that Mr. Rattner?
Mr. Rattner: You mean in general about the Towns getting
hit with insurance increases?
Colleen Labow: Well in the insurance bill they had it listed
what each Town pays. I was wondering why our town pays $470,000
a year. We pay more than anybody.
Mr. Heymann: It goes by the size of the Community, residents.
It is figured out into a homogenous pool of what goes on.
It does not really have much to do with litigation.
Mrs. Labow: How many Towns are included in this insurance
Mr. Dorsey: There are 33 Municipalities currently in the
Morris Joint Insurance Fund. There are 304 Municipalities
in the Municipal Excess Joint Liability Insurance Fund. 60
utility authorities and 45 housing authorities. There are
about 200 Municipalities in the Environmental Joint Insurance
Mrs. Labow: If more towns join, does that reduce the premium
depending on what their liabilities are?
Mr. Dorsey: If more towns join, it simply becomes a larger
critical mass. It would not cause there to be an increase
in premiums, but creates a greater stability in terms of
can't have many more than 304 towns. There are only 532. The
Joint Insurance Fund has simply become the way to do business
in the State.
Mrs. Labow: That is sort of like a category of shared services
with other Towns. Do we do anything else in our Town, as far
as between departments?
Mayor Licitra: Are you talking about shared services?
Colleen Labow: Well shared services, and also for instance
paper supplies and office supplies and things like that. Does
each department have their own Budget or do you buy in bulk?
Mayor Licitra: We buy from a cooperative. Most of it is purchased
from the Morris Cooperative. We share services with the School
Administration. We are starting to share some services with
the towns around us. We are looking into one major project
right now. About eight towns around us that we have a need
for and maybe two or three other towns do. So yes. We have
a committee set up. We have funding for it. We do it both
locally and within sixteen towns around us. In fact, Mr. Spino
was on the shared services committee.
Colleen Labow: That was my next question because that helps
to reduce all of our costs and spending hopefully?
Mayor Licitra: You will find that the School Administration
is not as willing to jump in to the atmosphere of sharing.
They have to be led kicking and screaming but hopefully their
constituents will see the light eventually.
Colleen Labow: Wouldn't it benefit all of us if we were all
together on it?
Mayor Licitra: You have to understand that some people have
their fiefdoms and don't want you to get involved. I find
it easier to share services within Municipal Government because
we have less fiefdoms
than the School Administration.
Colleen Labow: What do you mean by fiefdoms?
Mayor Licitra: Their own way of doing business for years
and years and never changing the way they do it.
President Rattner: Mrs. Labow, lets not have a private discussion.
Ask the questions and we will try to give you the best answer
Colleen Labow: That is my question for tonight. Thank you.
President Rattner: Mr. Bonte
Richard Bonte, Budd Lake, NJ: I would like to ask a couple
questions now regarding the rejection of the bids for Turkey
Brook of the site development and the building package. How
did this happen. Did we not hire a company to prepare these
packages for us? Is there no comment from anybody?
Mr. Heymann: I don't want to go too much into it. I can tell
you some things that happened Rich. Apparently there was a
mis-communication between North Carolina and here with regard
to unit price and how they were going to put the project out
for bid. They thought that for example the removal of soil
would be one bulk price that would be taken away. That is
what they are more used to doing on a project of this magnitude.
Apparently all the bids came in with unit price bids meaning
piece meal, and how much it would cost to keep each one away.
There were only three bids out of 24 packages picked up. Only
three people put bids in. So as you know the bids came in
several million dollars over the $5.7 that was allocated taken
into consideration that we have already paid several million
dollars to Voller's for previously bid work there.
Mr. Bonte: Here is what I don't understand Ron, and to the
rest of you. I don't know exactly how much money we have paid
Olympus. Does anybody know how much money we paid Olympus?
Mr. Heymann: I am thinking close to$500,000.
Mr. Bonte: I was at many of the meetings when Olympus was
in here and weren't they supposedly the best in this business?
Mr. Dorsey: They did hype themselves well.
Mr. Heymann: Honestly Rich. That is part of what is going
on this Friday at 11:00. We are having the representatives
of Olympus come up here. Obviously you can tell that we are
not happy by the fact that we are not going to get those fields
for the playing season in 2002.
Mr. Bonte: But how much have we paid them to date?
Mr. Heymann: About $500,000.
Mr. Bonte: We have paid $500,000 to date. They supposedly
have this wonderful reputation. They know how to do this work.
I don't understand how they put together a package. Whether
it is unit pricing, lump sum, or a turnkey operation. They
are supposed to know their business. If they don't know the
way North- west New Jersey operates, they should of never
come in here. We should of never hired them. I don't understand
how something like this happened. I guess what I would like
to find out is what are we going to about it? Are we going
to go after these people to get some of this money back because
they misrepresented themselves to this Township? That they
couldn't do the job.
Mr. Heymann: I don't want to answer that until we are done
with our meeting on Friday. It would really be improper for
us now to say would we of had discussions about this. Each
Council Person, some have different views. We don't disagree
with what you are saying. It is not appropriate for us to
comment on it. But we are not happy. That is why there is
a fairly a significant meeting here. We required them to be
here It is at 11:00 on Friday. It has been scheduled for about
three weeks at this point in time. We are looking for some
other information. We just can't put our hands on it, regarding
representations that Dave and I think they made here at either
a workshop or a Public Meeting about work that they were going
to do and who was going to handle that work. Obviously we
are not happy about it. I don't want to say anything more.
I really can't at this time.
Richard Bonte: I think that at some point in the very near
future the residents of this Township deserve an accounting
by their Government as to the fact that 500,000 was spent
for a firm to basically get us to the point where we would
be able to award contracts very close to the numbers that
they projected. If they can't do that they are not worth anything.
We need to go after them. They misrepresented themselves to
the residents of this Township, to the Sports Clubs and to
this Council and this Administration. It is basically fraud.
They came in here. They promised something that they obviously
can't come close to delivering. There is something wrong with
that if you are a good company. That is all I want to say
President Rattner: Anybody else like to address the Council?
Close the Public Portion, go to final Council Comments.
Mr. Guenther: A couple weeks ago, if anybody wanted to see
what truly this Country is made of and what I think has to
give everybody faith in this Country and in this future. They
should have been at a competition down at the High School
of the Robotics Club. It was a regional competition with teams
from all over
Mr. Guenther (cont'd): Pennsylvania, some from New York and
some from New Jersey. The enthusiasm that the kids showed
was just tremendous. It gives me tremendous faith in the future
of this Country and the Youth. That is why this I think this
Country is great. It means a lot more than waving a bunch
of flags and worrying about what is printed on the Billboard
coming into Mount Olive. I have more faith than the users
do and what the future of this Country is. I will have to
congratulate the Mount Olive Chronicle on it's great coverage
of that particular event, which is non-existent. They sent
there reporter their but did not choose to publish anything
about it. I think it is something that created pride in Mount
Olive and is a positive for the youth of the Town and should
be reported on in the paper.
Mr. Sohl: No comments. Thank you.
Mrs. Miller: No comments.
Mr. Spino: I have none. Thank you.
Mr. Scapicchio: I have none.
President Rattner: We got a copy of a letter from the State
telling us that they did not like the application that we
made for the traffic light at Connelly Ave. The Mayor said
that he is doing a full core press. Which is good. On there
it said if you have any questions, call somebody so I decided
to try calling that person. It is amazing. You call at six
in the Morning and they say he does not get in till 10:00.
You call at 2:00 in the afternoon they say he comes in at
6:00 and leaves early. Frederick E. Wilkinson, so if anybody
ever sees him. I was just there because I just wanted to know
whether they looked at what the rest of what the DOT was looking
at over the last couple of years. Looking at the construction,
I want to know about the 34,000 vehicle trips that are going
to be added to our two highways for AIG/Baker. In fact, it
was in their wisdom that they funded a four-lane connector
road and expanding 46 at one point just two miles away to
eight lanes. What were they thinking of that we don't have
traffic counts on there? So hopefully if there is enough pressure,
the only thing we could hopefully do, we do it quickly because
what I have gotten from different people I know and people
who work in Trenton is they expect come January 1, all cash
for any funding is going to stop. They are looking at going
into an economic recession or something.
Mayor Licitra: Even in their letter, it almost says, "well
you have not had enough deaths yet. Come back when you have
Mr. Rattner: Well that is exactly what they said. They actually
said that, and something about the accidents. But that is
why I decided to call because maybe if there are other Bureaucrats,
and they don't like getting comments and nasty telephone calls,
maybe they will just do something if they get enough calls
and they want it to stop. I appreciate what you're doing I
just want to say I tried calling some name that was on there,
and he was never there. If there is nothing else, move for
Motion made for adjournment. All in favor, none Opposed. The
Meeting was adjourned at 10:30 PM.
I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount
Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true
and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened
meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on January
Lisa M. Lashway
Mount Olive Township Clerk