Mount Olive Township Council Minutes
March 27, 2001
The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council
was called to order at 7:30pm by Council President Rattner
with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice
of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle
and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at
in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road,
Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting
ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Sohl
Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Scapicchio (7:32pm),
President Rattner: I was notified that Mr. Scapicchio is
probably on his way. I would also like to acknowledge the
attendance of the Mayor, Paul Licitra; the Townsihp Attorney,
John Dorsey; Township Clerk, Lisa Lashway; our CFO, Sherry
Jenkins; our Township Auditor, Gary Higgins; our Special
Projects Coordinator, Bob Casey. Also in the audience, I
see our Superintendent—the newly designated, Dr. Mongon—and
with that, I congratulate you.
Dr. Mongon: Thank you.
President Rattner: For those of you that don’t know,
he has completed his work for his Doctorate .
President Rattner: Administrative Matters, Mayor?
Mayor Licitra: One thing—I received Friday, checks
from Commerce Bank for $1,000 to be split amongst the Township
Organizations. I’m going to be presenting these checks
to them this week, and next week. They were $200 a piece
to five organizations.
President Rattner: Thank you, Mayor.
President Rattner: Legal Reports, Mr. Dorsey?
Mr. Dorsey: I just delivered to Sherry, $44,000 from the
State on the Closing on the Budd Lake Bog. You know, a very
interesting thing—we had an Executive Session on the
27th of February. On the 26th, we argued Mt. Olive Complex
Case before the Appellate Division, and we were requested
to bring down two of maybe ten large Exhibits that we had
prepared for our Case, but couldn’t be included in
the Appendices because they were simply too large. Amazing,
two weeks ago, the presiding Judge called and wanted McGroarty
to deliver back to him those two Exhibits, and then on Monday,
he called again and wanted two more of the extra large exhibits
delivered, which Chuck took down to Toms River. So, things
are getting interesting now because, we can’t feel
that they are not doing something for us when they’re
asking for all of our brilliant exhibits prepared by McGroarty
to be delivered to their Chambers as they write their opinion.
So, hopefully in two weeks, we’ll know.
President Rattner: Thank you. The next item on the Agenda
is the Public Hearing on the 2001 Municipal and Sanitation
PUBLIC HEARING ON 2001 MUNICIPAL AND SANITATION BUDGETS
President Rattner Opened the Meeting to the Public on the
2001 Municipal and Sanitation Budgets.
President Rattner: Before I close the Public Hearing, Sherry
(Jenkins) and Mr. Higgins, we had some changes last week
due to some adjustments we had to make in some Grants. So
we had to move some things around and it effected Headcount
in the Police Department, Reallocation of some insurances,
some other things that the Council has not been able to discuss.
I guess based on the CFO’s schedule, would it be advantageous
to continue the Public Hearing, or to Close at this time—because
in the whole scheme of things, they are relatively minor.
Even though for Departments they could be a little bit more
of a headcount—and we may go along with the suggestion
of the Administration and move ahead because we still have
to have a final vote on the Budget. So, the question is,
would it be better to continue the Public Hearing and have
the discussion at a workshop, or just move ahead now because
we still have other opportunities going forward.
Mr. Higgins, Auditor: Well, the items you’re speaking
about are incorporated in the Amendment to be acted upon.
Since the Amendment basically had certain items that required
Advertisement, we also then have to have a Public Hearing
on the full Amendment, and that will be on April 10th. So,
the Amendment that will be acted upon this evening, you’ll
have a Public Hearing addressing just those particular items
on the 10th so the Public can speak on those items at that
point in time. However, if someone on the Council now has
a question, it should be discussed prior to the passage of
the Amendment, because if a change had to be made, you’d
want to fix it now, otherwise, it could require another Advertisement
if the change was significant.
President Rattner: “Significant” is based on
the Line Item in that Department’s Budget.
Mr. Higgins: “Significant” more or less means
increasing or decreasing any Line Item by more than 10% based
upon the current Budget. So the Hearing with respect to the
Public does not have to address this. It can be closed if
no one wishes to speak on the Introduced Budget. However,
I would suggest, if there are questions from the Governing
Body, you discuss them now because if a change had to be
made to this Amendment, it should be made this evening.
President Rattner: Okay. What is the Council’s thoughts?
What I’m looking at—if you look at the memo written
from Ms. Jenkins to the Mayor and us on the 22nd, they’re
talking about eliminating two half officers that we were
going to add during the year. There was some reallocation
to the Water Budget—to the Water Utility of Insurance.
The Surplus Utilization I don’t think is a big deal,
and that’s basically a balancing for the Budget in
our surplus is in good shape. What I’m looking at,
I don’t know if any of these things will really effect
the Line Item by more than 10% on the whole Budget. So, as
long as we discuss it at next week’s meeting, if we
had any minor changes, that shouldn’t be a problem,
Mr. Higgins: No, if you have minor changes, what we can
do is prepare a second Amendment to be acted upon immediately
following the Public Hearing on Amendment #1, and then go
forth and Adopt.
President Rattner: Okay. What I want to do is make sure
we speak to this enough, but I also don’t want to slow
down now that we’re on a good schedule of getting everything
approved properly. Ms. Jenkins, do you have an opinion? You
would like us to move on this tonight.
Mrs. Jenkins: It’s really up to you. Certainly, I’m
not going to tell you you have to pass it tonight, that’s
not my place. But, following the timeframe that Gary (Higgins)
has—if we need to make additional Amendments, that’s
not a problem.
Mayor Licitra: Sherry might not be able to think it’s
her place to try and push you, but we would like to get more
of a finalization to this Budget.
President Rattner: Okay. We’ll schedule for the different
changes, and we’ll have discussion at next week’s
workshop. But, then I would suggest that we move ahead with
the Resolution to stay on schedule. Because there’s
no reason for me to think that any of the changes necessarily
are going to be large enough that we would have to do anything
Mr. Higgins: But you do have the option of doing a second
amendment that could modify anything. You’d just have
to advertise again. So you’re really not locked out
totally if something happens between now and next week.
President Rattner: Are there any other Council Comments?
Mr. Scapicchio: Gary—I apologize for getting here
a few minutes late—what is the difference between last
year’s total appropriations and this year’s?
Mr. Higgins: Are you referring to the Current Fund Budget?
Mr. Scapicchio: Yes.
Mrs. Jenkins: I can answer that. The difference is, the
overall Budget has changed by about $300,000.
Mr. Scapicchio: It’s up by $300,000 this year?
Mrs. Jenkins: Yes. $300,000 up. And considering some of
the increases that we had to have, that’s actually
not bad—for Health Insurance, and other insurance—things
Mr. Scapicchio: Could you, Sherry, explain to me this latest
memo with reference to $300,000?
Mrs. Jenkins: We had expected that we were going to be able
to utilize the remaining $300,000 in the COPS Universal Grant
to offset Police Salaries in this year’s Budget. I
had already advised you that—what I thought that we
would be losing as of the end of this year so that we would
be taking a hit in next year’s Budget. Mr. Katona advised
Mr. Kaplan and myself, that, in fact, the $300,000 that was
remaining was to be utilized for the hiring of four additional
Officers, and couldn’t be utilized for the existing
Officers that we have. So we had to go back and basically
make some changes to really recover the $300,000.
Mr. Scapicchio: I don’t have the memo in front of
me, but, where are we making up that $300,000? I noticed
that we removed the Temporary Resource Officer, which I thought
was important. We’re removing the Replacement Officer.
And where else?
Mrs. Jenkins: No—we had money in there for a full-year
Replacement Officer, and Mr. Katona advised us that he’s
not going to be hiring somebody until July, so we were able
to take a half a year off of that Replacement Officer. We
did take out the School Resource Officer, which was in there
for a half year for $15,000. We took additional funding from
surplus. And we also had about $115,000 in Reserve for Debt
Service money that we were able to utilize as a Revenue in
a Current Fund. And basically that came from projects that
were fully funded through Bond Ordinances. They fully funded
them, and, in fact, we had over and above that, we received
Grant Reimbursement from that.
Mr. Scapicchio: What’s this reallocation of $28,000
for insurance expenses?
Mrs. Jenkins: We reallocated a portion of the group insurance
expenses to Water—to the Water Utility Budget.
Mr. Scapicchio: For insurance purposes?
Mrs. Jenkins: Yes. For insurance purposes, exactly.
President Rattner: I think the CFO did a good job in giving
us the information on where the changes were. It may take
a little—I still have some other questions, but I don’t
want to slow down the process. And I don’t see the
changes—if we do tweak anything, they’re going
to be anything of significance.
Mr. Heymann: If we decide to add another Police Officer
when we go forward with this, that would not be a significant
amount of change that we’d have to worry about what
we do here today. If we say we want to add one more resource
Officer for next year. I know that was a discussion that
was held last week.
Mr. Higgins: Keep in mind, the word “significant” and
interpret it with respect to Budget changes as a 10% swing
from the modified Budget. Your police salaries after the
Amendment is $3.6 million—10% is $360,000. So, in the
case of that Line Item, there’s a lot of room for movement.
When you get to a smaller Line Item, like Financial O/E,
$24,000, then $2,400 is your threshold. So everything is
relative, basically. But that’s the guidance on the
definition of “significant” with respect to having
President Rattner: I really think that any of the changes
that we make are going to be within the percentages so we
can have time to discuss it next Tuesday and not have any
problems. Is there any other discussion? Can I get a Motion
to Move the Amendment.
1. Resolution to Amend 2001 Budget.
Mr. Sohl: So moved.
Mr. Heymann: Second.
President Rattner: Any further discussion? Roll call.
ROLL CALL: Passed by the Majority, Exception: Mr. Scapicchio
Mr. Casey: Excuse me, Mr. President, did you actually hold
the Public Hearing on the Budget?
President Rattner: On the Amendment, yes.
Mr. Casey: No, on the Budget.
Mr. Spino: Yes, he did.
Mr. Casey: The Budget as introduced?
Mr. Casey: We didn’t hear the Public Hearing being
Mr. Higgins: There was a question on whether you should
close it or not, so maybe it wasn’t closed.
President Rattner: It’s Closed. Nobody wanted to speak.
Mr. Casey: Okay. As long as the Record shows that.
President Rattner; Okay. Next on the Agenda, we have a presentation
by our Superintendent.
PRESENTATION – Board of Education Budget – Mark
Dr. Mongon: What I would like to do is go through the Budget
category by category as I’ve done each year since I’ve
been with the Mt. Olive School District—give you some
backup information. You’ll have the very same sheets
that I have here handed out so you can go through them with
me, and they’ll indicate not only the major lines,
the expenditures on those lines, but also the percentage
increase or decrease over the previous year.
(SLIDE SHOW PRESENTATION on School Budget. Not Transcribed.
Questions and Answers – Debt Service
Dr. Mongon: The last category on the expenditure side of
the Budget is Debt Service. This is Debt Service for three
different projects. One was the addition to the High School,
which will be paid off in the Year 2002; one was our Referendum
that won’t be done until 2023; and the third was the
Sewer Connection, that we will pay off in Year 2016.
Mr. Sohl: The one that will be paid off in two years—is
what percent of that? About?
Dr. Mongon: My guess is that it is a couple percent at most.
Because the Referendum is a huge part of that, and the Sewer
is a fairly large. The High School is a relatively small
part. But because the High School is almost paid off, that’s
why the principal is going down 3.81%. What’s going
to go up is the interest. That’s going up 4.29%. I’ve
been saying this each year. When we first sold the Bonds
for the Referendum, we actually had a lot of money on deposit,
received a lot of interest. Our payment was not noticed as
a negative because we weren’t paying Contractors, they
hadn’t completed their work. As Contractors completed
the work, money came out of deposit that went to them, our
interest earnings declined, and so each year, when we were
talking about the Referendum in 1997, we said from Year One,
through Year Eleven, you’ll see small payments getting
gradually larger and larger and larger. Until about the eleventh
or twelfth year. Then, at that point, they’ll be at
their highest rate, and then, start to diminish until they
end in 25 years out, which is length of the terms of the
Mrs. Jenkins: Do you have a non-conforming Debt Service
Schedule? Is that what it is? Where the payments aren’t
equal, they’re fluctuating every year? So, probably
what is going to happen, when you pay off the Debt Service
related to the High School, the payment for the Middle School
will probably go up a little bit? I’m guessing.
Dr. Mongon: Each year the payment for the Middle School
is going to go up slightly until about the eleventh or twelfth
year out, and then it’s going to start coming down.
Mayor Licitra: Do I have to call you, “Doctor?”
Dr. Mongon:You don’t.
Mayor Licitra: Is it still, Mark?
Dr. Mongon: That works for me.
Mayor Licitra: I was just talking to Bob (Casey) about your
paving project, and he tells me that if we did—at our
discounted rate, we may be able to save you some money on
that paving project.
Dr. Mongon: At the bus garage?
Mayor Licitra: Yes.
Dr. Mongon: I’ll make a note of that.
Mayor Licitra: Bob?
Mr. Casey: There’s no reason why we can’t combine
that into our normal paving program and our units at that
point will be putting like $300,000+ worth of work out. We
should be able to get better units. We just need to know
the size and your timing schedule and we can combine it with
Dr. Mongon: I’ll talk with my Assistant Superintendent
for Business, Sue Decker, tomorrow.
Mayor Licitra: And we might be able to find the $15,000
for the Resource Officer if we do that.
Questions and Answers – Revenue
President Rattner: When we get to the Revenue, in the beginning,
you said there is no new instruction staff—
Dr. Mongon: The Academic Staff—for instance, grades
One to Five, are teachers who hold Elementary Certificates.
We’re not hiring any more First Grade, Second Grade,
Third Grade, Fourth Grade, Fifth Grade Teachers. We’re
not hiring any more Academic teachers, such as, English,
Mathematics, Science, Social Studies, at the Middle School
or the High School. When we first put the Budget together,
the Principals from those schools had recommended increases
in staff at almost every level. But, with a $3.1 million
increase in expenditures to keep a sixth school running,
and then start up operation next year, we really couldn’t
add new academic staff. We did add Core Staff, such as, a
Principal, a Nurse, a Guidance Counselor, Librarian, a Reading
Teacher, a Basic Skills Teacher, and those are logical additions
to the Staff. But in terms of the teachers that most kids
have on a daily basis, we did not add to that. Instead, we’re
hoping that we will endure a one-year increase in class size,
which, with proper budgeting, we can bring down the following
year because we won’t have to start up a seventh school.
Mr. Guenther: What is the increase in class size that you’re
projecting for next year?
Dr. Mongon: We’re going--in the Elementary level,
to about 22.5 students per classroom. So, two classes may
have 23, two classes may have 22 in a Fourth Grade in Sand
Shore School. So, it goes from—we’re just under
20 in a class, we’re going to 22.5. That’s still
within the Board Policy of enrollment. The Principals have
the discretion of assigning teachers. So, in First Grade,
you may have a class size of 19 or 20, and in Fifth Grade,
have a class size of 25—just because Fifth Graders
should be able to handle a larger class size—when you’re
teaching children to read in First Grade, you want a lot
of intensive attention to them. And the Principals have the
discretion in doing that.
President Rattner: Yes—I want to get back to that.
That means that basically with the new school—and just
using everything equal—and I know it isn’t. We
have 20% more classrooms—as I said, one school, and
we know that this new school is bigger, but we’re not
using any of them. Because if you didn’t hire any new
teachers, then it means that any of those additional classrooms—at
least this year—is not being utilized. Now, next year,
from what I’m hearing, is, we’re going to see
another hit, probably, in the Budget because that’s
when you’re going to start bringing down the class
sizes by hiring the additional teachers.
Dr. Mongon: We should have some additional teachers next
year. We will have some unused classrooms, especially in
the CMS Building next year. However, in Sandshore School,
in Tinc Road School, and in Mt. View School, probably all
of the rooms will be used because we’re getting rid
of the modulars—the trailers. So those students that
were out of the building are coming into the building. In
CMS, we’re going to take a pre-school handicapped class
from Mt. View and move it over to CMS, so we’ll have
two elementary schools with preschool handicap students in
them. And, we’re adding a new autistic class to the
CMS Building because we’ll have space to do that. We’re
also working with the Director of Special Services to look
at what other population of Special Education children do
we have out of District that we could possibly educate just
as well, or better in District closer to their home. So,
that’s how we’re looking at using additional
Dr. Mongon (cont’d): space. We’re also considering
an alternative High School Program for next year. For the
students that aren’t making it, we send them to a place
called Morris Academy, and we pay maybe $12,000 tuition per
pupil. We are looking to maybe add an Alternative School
Program to our High School, where it gets used after school
for some kids who need a different kind of structure and
save tuition, and, again, serve them at home. So, those are
just some of the ways we’re looking at using the current
space that we have.
President Rattner: But, getting back—what you’re
doing—and it’s by design—is, this year
you said that the class size is going to go up—
Dr. Mongon: Right.
President Rattner: Because this year we’re not utilizing
the additional classrooms we have. We didn’t hire any
Dr. Mongon: Right.
President Rattner: Which we could have, because we have
the extra space. And that’s why you’re saying
the classes are going from 20 to 21.5 or something—
Dr. Mongon: Right.
President Rattner: And it makes sense because you said the
population is going up by 5% to 200 over the 4200, and they’re
going in existing classrooms, no new ones.
Dr. Mongon: Right.
President Rattner: We now have the room. Next year, we expect
to see that, so there will be probably a bigger increase
in instruction salaries as we start placing those classrooms.
Dr. Mongon: You’ll see a bigger increase in instruction,
you’ll see a decrease in operations because—in
terms of percentage—
President Rattner: Increase.
Dr. Mongon: Right.
President Rattner: We’re not going to see a decrease,
Dr. Mongon: Okay—over—you won’t see a
decrease, but you will not see—
President Rattner: The same increase.
Dr. Mongon: The size increase in operations that you did
this year because that is—again, opening that additional
(REVENUE – SLIDE PRESENTATION)
Questions and Answers
Mr. Sohl: So the total expenditure is $52 million. What
was it last year?
Dr. Mongon: $3.5 million less---or so. Other questions?
President Rattner: Anybody else from the Council?
Mr. Guenther: On Page 4, you have an item called “Federal
and State Grants.” Now these are expenditures. How
come those expenses decrease so precipitously, should I say?
Dr. Mongon: You’ve got significantly less Grant money.
When we have Grant money, it comes in as a Revenue on one
side—you saw that was about 1% of our money—our
Revenue. It gets specified where in the Budget it has to
be spent. So, the Revenue decreases whatever it was spent
was identified by that line, Federal and State Grants, and
that goes down by the same proportion. We don’t control—that’s
money in, money out.
Mr. Guenther: Oh, I see. That’s no additional monies
that the Township puts towards those. Those are strictly
Grant Programs that are fully funded by either State or Federal
Dr. Mongon: Or they offset some portion of costs that we
are paying for. But it’s identified by the Federal
and State Grant Line in the Expenditure side of the Budget.
Mr. Guenther: What I’m getting at, I see this decrease,
is there an offsetting increase---as you’re saying,
we have these State mandated programs. Are we still tied
into paying for some of these, and those expenses—in
other words that are being absorbed by Mt. Olive citizens
are going up disproportionately?
Dr. Mongon: There is some increase in cost. For example,
if we have a teacher that is involved in delivering services
in one of those Grant programs, we’ve been paying some
portion of the salary, and some portion of the Social Security,
and the Grant has been paying some portion of the salary
and some portion of the Social Security. In fact, yes, we
do absorb that, but what we’re not required to necessarily
continue programs or to expand them. So there is some portion
of the increase salary, and some portion of the increase
in Social Security could be attributed to that decrease that
you saw there in the Federal Grant spending.
Mr. Guenther: In the past—and I don’t know whether
this is true last year, but, whenever figures are published
about doing comparisons between school districts throughout
the County, I’ve always noticed that Mt. Olive’s
Administrative expenses—at least a percentage of cost
per student, I believe it is, is always among the highest
in the County. Do you have any idea—maybe you don’t
have it handy, but, how do we compare to other Towns in the
County now as our Administrative Costs as a percentage of
the total. Are we still very much up there near the top,
or have we made any inroads in reducing that?
Dr. Mongon: We’re not near the top, but—I’ll
give you a different basis of comparison. Our Administrative
costs were about 3% of the total Budget. So that then includes
not just the salaries of the Superintendent, Assistant Superintendent,
our Office Staff, our payroll, and so on. The State has eight
classifications that they give to School Districts. They’re
alphabetic identification, A,B,C,D and there are some combined
ones. “A” is, of course, school districts, mostly
the urban ones Jersey City or Patterson, “J” are
most affluent school districts, such as Harding Township,
so on. Mt. Olive has a designation “G-H.” Which
is, if you go from “A” of course to “G.” If
you compare Mt. Olive to the other “G-H” School
Districts in Morris County that have a K-12 operation, we’re
right in the middle of those costs. You could look at places
like Parsippany, Roxbury, so on. And our costs are very comparable
to what those costs are.
President Rattner: Anybody else from the Council? Okay.
I don’t want to have a long public hearing on this.
The Board of Education has their own, but since you’re
here. We’ll take some comments from the Public.
Mr. Robert Greenbaum, Flanders: If I understand you correctly,
following up on something that Mr. Rattner had raised, next
year you’re expecting to add additional educational
Dr. Mongon: We’re adding some teachers that I need—
Mr. Greenbaum: I’m talking about the following year—
Dr. Mongon: Yes—
Mr. Greenbaum: Are we—should we expect to see another
significant increase in school taxes similar to this year’s
proposed Budget the following year based upon the hiring
of additional teachers?
Dr. Mongon: I don’t think you’ll see anything
nearly as significant next year in terms of increase like
you’re seeing this year. This sixth school added a
$3.1 million burden to the school district funds and, adding—we’re
not going to add that the following year. If we added some
additional teachers because of class sizes, it wouldn’t
come anywhere close to the $3 million+ we’re adding
Mr. Greenbaum: Are you going to be going to a full-time
kindergarten the following year?
Dr. Mongon: We have the space for it. We’re planning
for it, but we need to see if we can financially afford it.
Mr. Greenbaum: How many teachers would that add to the Budget?
Dr. Mongon: Eight kindergarten teachers.
Mr. Greenbaum: And how many teachers are expected to be
added to decrease the size of the classes that we’re
going to have this year?
Dr. Mongon: I believe we looked at K – 12, about seven
Mr. Greenbaum: I’m just trying to get a feel for where
we’re going without doing any further capital projects
next year as opposed to this year. The redistricting plan,
has that already been put into place? Is that something which
is going to be announced to the Public shortly?
Dr. Mongon: That was discussed broadly last evening before
hundreds of people in the High School Cafeteria Board Meeting.
And it received quite a review. There were many comments
that were made—many of us took notes. We’re going
back to a Redistricting Committee that’s been in place—will
bring these concerns back. It’s planned to bring this
Redistrincting plan back to the Public, again, April 30.
That’s the Public Meeting to be held at the High School
Mr. Greenbaum: Okay, and when is the final redistricting
plan expected? After the April 30th meeting—when?
Dr. Mongon:It would be expected that the Board would act
on it that night. And if you want information about that,
we have it in the Administration Office.
President Rattner: Is there anybody else who would like
to address this matter?
Mr. Jerry Roskoff, Budd Lake: You mentioned Flanders School
Rental. Are you making a profit on that?
Dr, Mongon: We’re breaking even, maybe making a few
dollars. We have some money as a Revenue, we pay insurances,
we provide the maintenance and the upkeep for the building,
and what we receive from rental pays for all of those expenses,
plus gives us a small profit.
Mr. Roskoff: Why don’t you get rid of it?
Dr. Mongon: It’s been discussed—
Mr. Roskoff: I know it’s been discussed for about
15 – 20 years that I know of.
Dr. Mongon: It’s a Board owned property. The Board
makes a decision about that. The Board is—debate among
the Board. There are members of the Board who argue for the
services it allows the community to be provided for—children—
Mr. Roskoff: But you want to remind the Board, it’s
not their mandate.
Dr. Mongon: there are other Board members who point that
out to the ones who like the Community Service. That’s
an argument that goes on back and forth on the Board.
Mr. Roskoff: I mean, to me it would be logical if you turned
it over to the Township and let the welfare department take
care of that building—
President Rattner: Jerry, that’s something that really
doesn’t have anything to do with this, and it’s
really out of our purview. That’s a Policy Decision
by the School Board, and it really doesn’t have a lot
to do with the Superintendent. He’s responsible for
running the schools—
Mr. Roskoff: Well, my only comment—to me, it’s
a little irrational..
Mr.Guenther: Take it to a Board of Education meeting, Jerry.
Mr. Roskoff: I did.
Mr. Heymann: Well, keep going there.
Mr. Sohl: You have to keep banging away.
Mr. Guenther: Be consistent.
Mr. Ned MacDonald, 81 Waterloo Road: You said the classroom
size—I believe 22.5 students. Is that the High School?
Dr. Mongon: No, the High School will vary. If you know the
High School at all, they’ll have advanced placement
courses that may have 12 kids in them. You’ll have
a Gym Class that may have 32 students. So, that really varies
depending upon the program at the High School.
Mr. MacDonald: The 22 students is that averaged over the
Dr. Mongon: No, it’s averaged in the elementary schools.
We had a number of teachers Grades One to Five in three Elementary
Schools. When we divide that Elementary student population
into four Buildings next year, we’re going to divide
that one to five teacher population of the four buildings.
The way we’re doing that is saying 22.5 students per
teacher. And that tells us how many teachers we’re
going to assign to the CMS Elementary School, and how many
we’re going to take out of Tinc Road, Sand Shore, and
maybe one or two at Mt. View.
Mr. MacDonald: How does that compare to other schools in
Dr. Mongon: It’s a little higher, not much, on average.
It’s well within the Board Policy.
Mr. MacDonald: And the other question is, Administrative
Costs. You say we’re somewhere in the middle, or towards
the high end. Is that based on costs on a percentage of the
total Budget, or costs per pupil?
Dr. Mongon: As it’s reported in the School Report
Card, it’s per pupil.
President Rattner: Is there anybody else?
Mrs. Colleen Labow, Third Street, Budd Lake: I just want
to know, as far as teachers that have been there for a while,
that are retiring, the salaries when you hire new teachers,
as teachers retire, someone had told me two new teachers
per one that retires they’re at their full benefits,
their full salaries?
Dr. Mongon: It’s more like three to two. We had a
number of teachers leave last year that went into retirement,
we hired 57 new teachers. There was an incentive for the
teachers that retired and the difference allowed us to pay
that incentive, plus hire additional teachers for the growing
Mrs. Labow: Are you planning that again? Do you have more
that are reaching that level? Or, in the near future? Or,
you kind of wiped them out?
Dr. Mongon: Not immediately.
Mrs. Labow: Okay, thanks.
Dr. Mongon: You’re welcome.
President Rattner: Mr. Bonte?
Mr. Richard Bonte, Budd Lake: The 69% Local Levy. Who actually
Dr. Mongon: The taxpayers. You do.
Mr. Bonte: All the taxpayers in Town? Businesses?
Mr. Spino: Anyone who pays property taxes.
Mr. Bonte: I’m stupid here—
Mr. Spino: No, you’re not.
Mr. Sohl: No.
Mr. Heymann: Try that on some other Board.
Dr. Mongon: Anyone that pays property tax in Mt. Olive contributes
to that. If I could just elaborate for a moment, so when
you have rateables that are industry, and not producing students,
it has a very positive effect on being able to pay for schools.
But when you pay—I have $3,400 for—say it’s
$180,000 home, doubles—suppose a $360,000 home in some
of these new developments, you’re collecting $6,800
for each pupil that comes out of that home. That’s
only about 2/3 of what that pupil actually costs. So, if
you have two students—the development has a huge impact
on the cost of the school. The industrial development does
not have a huge impact on the costs of the school, in fact,
it has a favorable impact.
Mr. Bonte: Next question. Are there any dollars in your
Budget, presently, for Sanitation?
Dr. Mongon: I don’t believe for Sanitation. We have
maintenance, custodial, someone on the Council could probably
help me out with that. Dollars for sanitation?
Mr. Bonte: Are there any dollars in the School Budget for
Sanitation Services? Garbage and Recycling?
Dr. Mongon: I believe the Township picks that up.
Mr. Bonte: The Township picks it up at no charge to the
Dr. Mongon: And there are similar reciprocities. For instance,
we open up our school facilities for Recreation Programs,
and we don’t charge custodial fees or anything of that
Mr. Bonte: Are you aware that by doing that, only the persons
who live in private residences in Mt. Olive pay for the trash
and recycling collection at the schools. Businesses and Apartments
do not pay their fair share of those costs.
Mr. Spino: At the school?
Mr. Bonte: Correct. We have a Sanitation Tax District that
only charges private home owners for Sanitation. By providing
this service “for free” for the schools, puts
an undo burden on private homeowners for school sanitation
services. What I would like to suggest is that there be a
Line Item in the School Budget for Sanitation Services which
is made up by the Town from General Tax Revenue as opposed
to Sanitation Tax Revenue to alleviate this undo hardship
that’s being placed upon only private homeowners to
pick up garbage from the schools, and would you support that?
Dr. Mongon: I think that the direction that the Municipality
and the Board of Education have been taking is that we are
having services that we can share, and we are looking at
more and more shared services. So, if the municipality decided
that that’s something we should do, because right now,
they’re doing it. If they decided that’s something
we should do, I’m sure we would look at all of the
services we share and say, “What should we do about
Mr. Bonte: Well, I’m not in opposition to shared services.
What I am in favor of is that the cost of those services
is borne by all the taxpayers, not just those in private
residences for this particular part.
Dr. Mongon: The School Board is not a Taxpayer. I understand
that they’re getting the benefit of something that
is being paid for by a portion of the taxpayers. But I don’t
believe that at this moment in Governmental structure, that
is the School Board decision.
Mr. Bonte: I don’t believe it is either, but what
I’m asking for is, would you consider supporting?
Dr. Mongon: I will certainly take your message to the School
Mr. Bonte: Okay, and I would like to ask the Council to
consider this. You know I’ve asked you this number
of times over the years. And as we continue to bring additional
schools on line, these expenses are not trivial. I believe
the estimate is somewhere between $200,000 - $300,000 a year
that it’s costing only private homeowners as opposed
to the General Taxpayer.
Mr. Sohl: I don’t disagree with you, Rich, by the
way. I think it has merit relative to spreading those costs
over the entire tax base the same way the cost of operating
the school is. Whether it comes out of General Fund on the
Municipal side, or whether it’s on the school side
makes no difference, it’s still my wallet. But, one
of the things we’ve never gotten before, I think, the
prior Administration being somewhat reluctant to provide
that information is some sense of what the Sanitation costs
really are related to the school. Maybe Mr. Casey could get
some information for us.
Mr. Casey: The incremental costs you’re referring
to is the tonnage costs. The Tipping Fees.
Mr. Sohl: It’s also the cost of sending a man up there—and
maybe that’s trivial on a day-to-day basis—
Mr. Casey: That’s part of an overall route. The real
issue is the direct out-of-pocket costs is your Tipping Fees
and we’d have to somehow make an estimate on how the
whole tonnage relates to the school would be and we could—I
think there’s probably some data from the County to
come up with that as to what a school would generate per
pupil in terms of that.
President Rattner: Okay. That is something we could ask
the Superintendent about, but that’s something—that’s
a decision between Administration coming up with a proposal
and that’s deciding whether we want to do it or not.
Anything else, Mr. Bonte?
Mr. Bonte: No.
President Rattner: Thank you very much.
Mr. Guenther: Not to mention there are other expenses, usage
of their facilities that they never charge us. Before any
action is taken or any consideration, we should look at both
Mr. Bonte: Bernie, I’m not suggesting that we make
the schools pay for garbage. I’m not suggesting that.
What I’m suggesting, instead of 5,800 wallets paying
for schools, there’s probably 11,000 – 12,000
equivalent tax paying entities in this town. Between business—and
all of the people that live in the apartments who basically
send children to schools, but do not pay for the cost of
Sanitation at the schools, because only private homeowners
are paying the Sanitation Budget. This is my point. I’m
not looking to upset—
President Rattner: The whole thing was the shared services,
and we can’t have the whole Council, or different people—the
Mayor has been working with the School Board and Superintendent
on looking at all those things, so that part—it probably
makes sense to have one focal point, and that is the Administration,
not as the Council. Then, as it comes up for proposals on
how we pay for it, then it would come to us. But in actual
negotiation of what services, back and forth, that should
be entirely to the Mayor, and then give us a recommendation.
When it comes to how we’re going to fund it in our
Budget, that is a Budget item and that should be something
we should be working with, and see how we want to handle
it in our next Budget. Anybody else? Mr. Perkins? I’m
sorry, Mr. Spino, is there something that you wanted to say?
Mr. Spino: No, I just want you to move it along.
Mr. Ray Perkins: Good evening, Mr. Mongon, Ray Perkins,
Fern Avenue, Budd Lake. Dr. Mongon, on your presentation,
you talked about the increase—the annual increase now
of $264.16 per year as an average on an increase. Living
down in the Old Budd Lake section where we’ve just
been hit with the Sewer Assessments and now another $260some-odd-dollars
increase in a School Tax, the question was posed to you what
the next increase might be as you look at adding other staff
that you didn’t have on in this year, any you said
it would be not as significant. Can you expand on that “not
as significant” put kind of a dollar sign in front
Dr. Mongon: We’ve been having a 3% Cap. We have adjustments
to that Cap based on three things I mentioned earlier. Increase
in Enrollment, increase in Transportation Costs, Increase
in Special Education. I expect next year to present a Budget
for the following year that’s 3% Higher, and then it
would depend on the increase in Student Enrollment how much
more than 3% it would be. If we added 200 students the following
year out of 4,300 or so, you could do the percentage that
that would be. We wouldn’t get the complete amount,
we’d get some adjustment because of that increase in
enrollment. So, 3% plus some adjustment for student enrollment.
Mr. Perkins: Second, and lastly, a comment about some of
your Special Needs Students where you looked around, and
made a statement about not having any Pre-school people with
Certified Teachers—is that through the entire Township,
there aren’t any of the Pre-schools that had Certified
Teachers that are there--that do background checks or any
Dr. Mongon: No. Private Schools hire Certified Teachers.
They do. They have the option of doing Criminal Background
History checks and so on. They’re motivated by profit,
mostly. Not all of them, but most of them are motivated by
profit. They don’t have to comply with the same Code
and Regulations that we have to comply with. So, I was receiving
something that I was seeing as an illogical suggestion from
a member of the State Department of Education, and I was
trying to display what I perceived to be illogical in an
exaggerated way. Okay? I think the nursery schools in this
community serve the pre-school children well. And the children
come out of those nursery schools into our kindergartens
and First Grades and they do just fine. So, I really was
not being pejorative of the schools, I was being pejorative
of the logic that says, “State Mandate, State Pay” it
requires us to do something we weren’t required to
do before, and there is no money to follow it. So that was
the focus, and I’m glad you asked me that question,
Dr. Mongon (cont’d): because I would not want the message
to go out that we don’t think well of the nursery schools
in Town, because I do. And we see students coming well prepared
out of those schools.
President Rattner: Anybody else from the Public? Okay, thank
you, Dr. Mongon.
Dr. Mongon: Thank you very much. And, thank the Council,
Mayor, and the Public for giving us the opportunity to address
President Rattner: And for members of the Public, I just
encourage everybody to get out and vote.
Dr. Mongon: The Election is Tuesday, April 17, the polls
are in the schools, they’re open from 2:00pm to 9:00pm.
President Rattner: Thank you. Moving right along.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS:
· 2/27/01 Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Sohl, Mrs. Kelly,
Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner
Absent: Mr. Heymann
3/13/01 CS Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Sohl, Mrs. Kelly, Mr.
Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner
Absent: Mr. Guenther
Mr. Heymann moved for approval of the Minutes and Mrs. Kelly
seconded the motion
President Rattner: Any discussion? Mr. Sohl.
Mr. Sohl: Yes—Steve knows, I sent him an e-mail message.
I will approve the Minutes tonight. I will not Approve another
set of Minutes that includes the incidental utterances of
individuals. Be they of the Council, Public or otherwise.
ROLL CALL: Passed by the majority,
Exceptions: Mr. Heymann ABSTAINED on 2/2701 and
Mr. Guenther ABSTAINED on 3/13/01
Letters from Residents
1. Letter received March 9, 2001, from Morris County Citizens
Against Aircraft Noise regarding FAA Plan to Redesign Airspace – Workshop
in Parsippany on March 26, 2001.
Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from Other Municipalities
2. Resolution received March 12, 2001, from the Township
of Jefferson regarding amending affordable housing element
or Zoning Ordinances without the approval of COAH After Municipality
meets required obligation.
3. Resolution received March 15, 2001, from Hackettstown
regarding State Inaction on Telecommunications Business Personal
Property Tax Reductions.
4. Resolution received March 19, 2001 from the Borough of
Netcong RE: Supporting S-1800 and A-2955 which proposes Fundamental
Property Tax Reform by means of a Constitutional Convention.
5. Resolution received March 19, 2001 from the Borough of
Netcong RE: In Support of Assembly Bill No 2454, COAH Requirements.
6. Resolution received March 19, 2001 from the Borough of
Netcong RE: Resolution Reaffirming the Opposition of the
Home-Based Business Promotion Act.
7. Resolution received March 23, 2001, from the Borough
of Lincoln Park, regarding a Resolution urging State Funding
to address revenue shortfall caused by State inaction on
telecommunications Business Personal Property tax reductions.
Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from State Agencies
8. Notice of Final Determination received March 12, 2001,
from the State of New Jersey, Department of Law and Public
Safety, Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control RE: PAG, Inc.
T/A buy Rite Liquors.
9. Notice received March 21, 2001, from the New Jersey State
Transportation regarding the 25th Annual Expo – Atlantic
League of Municipalities
10. Legislative Bulletin received March 22, 2001, from the
New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Bills
that were Enacted as Public Law of 2001.
11. Minutes received March 12, 2001, from the Musconetcong
Sewerage Authority regarding the February 7th meeting.
12. Letter received March 22, 2001, from the Morris County
MUA regarding Provision of NJDEP Application for the Morris
County Shade Tree Department (Shade Tree) Class “B” Wood
Recycling Center. Old Waterloo Village Road (Camp Pulaski),
DOT/DEP/Permits – Loa’s
13. Letter received March 12, 2001, from the State of New
Jersey, Department of
Environmental Protection regarding Turkey Brook Park.
14. Letter received March 12, 2001, from the State of New
Jersey Department of
Environmental Protection regarding Withdrawal of Letter
of Interpretation –
Footprint Disturbance Applicant: Peter Gross Block 2604,
Lot 2 (Vacant Land,
Warren Drive, Budd Lake)
15. Letter received March 12, 2001, from the State of New
Jersey, Division of the
Ratepayer Advocate regarding I/M/O of the Petition of Oakwood
Sewerage Associates, LLC for Approval of Service Area BPU
16. Letter received March 19, 2001 from NJDEP, Division
of Watershed Management RE: Amendments to the Statewide Water
Quality Management Planning Rules.
17. Letter received March 22, 2001, from Associated Consultants
regarding an Application for a Letter of Interpretation Footprint
of Disturbance Block 6900, Lot 32 (34 Bartley Road, Flanders)
18. Letter received March 23, 2001, from the State of New
Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding
Onyx Environmental Services, One Eden Lane, Mt. Olive.
Correspondence Regarding Tort Claims/Verified Notice of
19. Summons received March 16, 2001 RE: Hamid Hashemi, et
al, v. Township of Mt. Olive, et al.
20. February 2001, Newsletter received March 19, 2001.
Correspondence from Cable Networks/Utilities
21. Letter received March 22, 2001, from GPU Energy regarding
Notice of Filing of a Joint Petition for a Proposed change
in ownership and acquisition of control of Jersey Central
Power & Light Company, and Notice of Public Hearings
Correspondence from Legislative Representatives
22. Letter received March 16, 2001, from Assemblyman Garrett
confirmation on receipt of Resolution.
23. Letter received March 16, 2001, from Acting Governor
Donald T. DiFrancesco regarding confirmation on receipt of
President Rattner stated that we had received 23 items of
correspondence and asked Council if there were any comments
Mrs. Kelly: On #12 and #13—if they haven’t been
sent to the Open Space Committee and Environmental Commission,
I would like both of those letters sent.
President Rattner: Okay. Any other comments?
ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING
Ord. #6-2001 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive
Amending and Updating the Fee Schedule and Provisions of
Chapter 126 Entitled “Fire Prevention” of the
Mount Olive Code. (increase fire subcode fees)
President Rattner opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #6-
President Rattner closed the Public Hearing on Ord. # 6-
Mr. Guenther moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord.
# 6- 2001 and Mr. Heymann Seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Rattner declared Ord. #6- 2001 as Passed on Second
Ord. #7-2001 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the
Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Sale of Block 5300,
Lot 18 C8.2A to Joseph P. Sacco for $150,000. (sale of police
President Rattner opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #7-
President Rattner closed the Public Hearing on Ord. # 7-
Mr. Sohl moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord. #
7- 2001 and Mrs. Kelly Seconded the motion.
Mr. Guenther: Just a question. I assume this is still subject
of them getting approval of the Condominium Association?
Mr. Spino: Yes, it is.
Mr. Heymann: It’s in the Contract, Bernie.
Mr. Dorsey: The thought seemed to be that since he’s
a retailer or in that line, they would not object as they
did before. I mean, it doesn’t appear they can raise
the objection of too much sewer allocation as they did with
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Rattner declared Ord. #7- 2001 as Passed on Second
Ord. #8-2001 Ordinance Appropriating an Aggregate Amount
of $77,000 from a Community Development Block Grant and the
Water Capital Improvement Fund for the Repainting of the
Oakwood Village Water Tank in and by the Township of Mount
Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey.
President Rattner opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #8-
President Rattner closed the Public Hearing on Ord. # 8-
Mrs. Kelly moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord.
# 8- 2001 and Mr. Heymann Seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Rattner declared Ord. #8- 2001 as Passed on Second
ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING - None
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:
Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to
be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council
and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will
be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions
except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements
that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests,
any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed
from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.
2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Awarding a
contract to JNP Construction for the Painting of the Oakwood
Village Water Tank.
3. Resolution to Authorize a Contract with Mumford Bjorkman
Professional Engineering and Inspection Services for the
Painting of the Oakwood
4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing the Execution of a Developer’s
Agreement Between the Township and Sprint Spectrum, LP.
5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive RE: Open Space Donation of Jack Dean, Block 8300,
6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Granting a
Change Order to American LaFrance. (Budd Lake Fire Ladder
7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing
an Agreement Between the Township and Golub Animal Hospital.
8. Resolution RE: Budget Self Examination.
9. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Amending
the Temporary Budget for 2001 for the Current, Water and
10. Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive Providing
for the Transfer of 2000 Budget Appropriations for the Current
11. Resolution to Amend the 2001 Capital Budget.
12. Resolution to Cancel Tax of Block 4100 Lot 89. (Follini
13. Resolution to Cancel Tax of Block 4100 Lot 11. (Follini
14. Resolution Authorizing the Submission of a Tonnage Grant
Application to the
State of New Jersey. (Recycling Tonnage Grant)
PUBLIC PORTION ON CONSENT RESOLUTIONS
Mr. Bonte: I have a question on #6. Does anybody recall
what the cost of replacement of this truck was as opposed
to repairing it?
Mr. Dorsey: Well, the replacement would have cost $700,000
or $800,000. This is about a 20% increase in the original
estimate of the refurbishing costs. That much, I know now
brings it to a total of $115,000.
Mr. Bonte: Okay. I had thought for some reason—because
this is a fairly old truck, right?
Mr. Dorsey: 20 years.
Mr. Bonte: And I had thought at the time when this was discussed—I
think it was six or eight months ago, that it was in the
neighborhood of $175,000 to $200,000 to replace the truck.
Mr. Dorsey: No.
President Rattner: No—the rebuilding I think is closer
to $250,000 - $300,000. This is just the ladder part. And
the increase went from $75,000—and we knew it was going
to be more, but that’s how much money we had last year
to go out. What they’re also doing is completely rebuilding
and refitting the truck. They’re bringing it up to
current standards—all the hydraulics, rebuilding the
engine, enclosing the cab to make it OSHA compliant. The
total cost is probably going to be closer to $300,000, but
it’s still a lot cheaper than going out and buying
a new one. The Fire Department said that when it’s
completely refurbished the way that it’s going, it
will be every bit as good as if we went out and bought a
Mr. Bonte: Thanks.
Mayor Licitra: For the Council’s edification, I was
surprised tonight. I sat down with the Chiefs on a Grant
Application that we’re putting together and I was surprised
to hear that they had different categories between equipment
and non-equipment—radio equipment—to make a long
story short, some trucks are going for $1 million now. And
it’s actually mind-boggling that they would be going
for that much. But it is up to $1 million right now.
President Rattner: And our emergency workers, and Departments,
they keep that equipment up and they’re willing to
work with whatever they have. Okay. Seeing no one else from
the Public, I close the meeting to the Public on the Consent
Mr. Spino moved for approval of the Consent Resolutions
and Mr. Heymann seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
1. Bill List.
Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Bills as presented
and Mr. Heymann seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
2. Approval of Raffle application #979 for St. Elizabeth
Ann Seton; Approval of
Raffle Application #980 and Raffle Application #981for the
Jewish Center of Mount Olive; Approval of Raffle application
#982 and Raffle Application #983 for Tinc Road School PTO.
Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Motion and Mr.
Heymann seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
Library Board Liaison Report
Mr. Sohl: The Library Board met earlier this month and there
was discussion of the proposal from the Architect—the
concept proposal and they’re looking to do some socializing
of that information. I know there has been some interface
between the Council Subcommittee and a Subcommittee of the
Library Board itself.
Mr. Heymann: I just got a call from the gentleman that runs
the Babe Ruth Program. I spoke to Mr. Casey about the field—hopefully
the field of Flanders Crossing will be playable. We don’t
expect the rest of the things, of course, to be ready—the
bathrooms, and stuff. That’s not really our concern
right now. Hopefully with the weather, we’ll be able
to get the field playable since that will be starting probably
in about two weeks, weather permitting.
Mayor Licitra; They are walking the track—did you
Mr. Heymann: Yes.
President Rattner: Did we have a problem with that, or was
that going to be redone, or has it been corrected already?
Mr. Casey: No, it hasn’t been corrected—we haven’t
allowed any work to be done because of the weather—the
cold—we want the warm temperatures, and we haven’t
really reached agreement with the Contractor as to how he
intends to install the proper grade there yet.
Mr. Scapicchio: Are they going to have the equipment moved
out of the parking lot before the Babe Ruth starts utilizing
that field? Or at least off into an area that doesn’t
disrupt or interfere with parking?
Mr. Heymann: They already have practice there. The Soccer
kids were out there today. It doesn’t seem to be effecting
anything. There’s no real place you can put the equipment
now. Until it’s done—they’re moving pretty
quickly on the stuff.
Mr. Casey: If the weather would be a little kinder—
Mr. Heymann: Yes, it would be done.
Mr. Casey: They’re about a week from having that building
done. Most of that material will disappear when the building
is up. The lighting, everything is there, ready to be just
put together. It’s just a matter of weather being kinder
Board of Health Report
Mr. Scapicchio: No report tonight.
Planning Board Report
Mr. Spino: We talked about it already—we’re
going to have it on our Agenda Workshop to review it so
we can get it passed. I think we’re missing a good
Open Space Committee Report
Mrs. Kelly: Their next meeting is April 9.
Legislative Committee Report
Mr. Guenther: No report.
Master Plan Report
Mr. Scapicchio: The Master Plan Committee has not been meeting.
Paul, do you have anything to add to that?
Mayor Licitra; Yes. I’m going to try and find another
five hours to Chuck’s day.
Mr. Scapicchio: Okay.
Mayor Licitra: He really wants to get to this. He’s
got some charges, as Earl knows. I hate to say it’s
been put on—I don’t want to say the back burner,
but on the slow burner, but he will get to it. He knows what
he wants to do, and he knows what to—we have appointed
a couple more people to the Committee, namely Bernie—and
I don’t remember his name—
Mr. Guenther: Bernard—
Mayor Licitra: The traffic expert—Bernie. And also
Bruce Bott, our Community Representative from the School
Board. Chuck (McGroarty) is going to have another meeting.
We have to do it, we have to find time to do it.
Pride Committee Report
Mr. Guenther: There’s really not very much—just
update—we had a meeting tonight where we’re investigating
with a supplier the provision of some very attractive entrance
signs in Mt. Olive. So, we’re getting that on the way.
Otherwise—is there anything else, Ray (Perkins) from
the last meeting since I couldn’t attend it?
Mr. Perkins: A couple of other things that are going on—we
went over with the Committee—we’re working together
with the Historical Society, as well as Mr. Sohl, on getting
some flags that we’re going to be putting along the
parade route. So, I know Mr. Casey now has a listing of the
poles, so we’ll be working together with Department
of Public Works to try to get permission from the utilities
to put those flags up.That is something that we’re
all working on. I’m working together with Frank Kennedy
in Sanitation, and we’ll put together a spreadsheet
for them so we can update the Adopt-A-Spot, and we can finally
get that rolling into Town again.
Mr. Guenther: Thanks, Ray.
President Rattner: Okay, the only other thing—Mr.
Sohl, do you want to give us the status, or what the plans
are with the Ethics—getting the Ethics Committee set
Mr. Sohl: As you know, I asked before the meeting started,
to schedule it for the next Workshop. We kind of got snowed
out the one night, and we’ve had some tight schedules
with the Budget.
President Rattner: So it will be on the schedule for next
Mr. Sohl: It would make sense to start around 7:00pm in
Closed Session to cover that discussion relative to Personnel.
President Rattner: Okay. Mr. Dorsey, if we’re going
to start talking names for actual names for Appointments,
is that a proper Closed Session Item?
Mr. Dorsey: No. I don’t think so. If you’re
going to discuss people that you’re going to nominate—
Mr. Sohl: People who have submitted Resumes—
Mr. Dorsey: That’s an Open Session Item.
Mr. Sohl: It is?
Mr. Dorsey: They’re not employees of the Township.
Mr. Sohl: Whatever you say.
President Rattner: Then let’s have it as regular scheduled
meeting.. No sense in starting early.
Mr. Scapicchio: John, I guess those Resumes are all Public—
Mr. Dorsey: If they submit it to the Township, they then
become a matter of Public Record.
Mr. Scapicchio: Okay.
President Rattner: Okay, thank you, Mr. Dorsey. I just want
to make sure we dot every “i” and cross every “t.” I
don’t want anybody yelling at us, that we didn’t
do it right. Okay. Now we come to the Public Session. The
Public can address the Council on any issue. Is there anyone
who would like to address the Council at this time?
Mr. Bonte: I have a question, and I have some comments.
The question, I guess, would probably be addressed to Mr.
Casey. Back last Fall, you had discussed at a Council Meeting
the possibility of looking into, and possibility of implementing
a different Recycling Collection procedure than we currently
have. We might collect certain types of Recycling on one
week, and then collect another type on another week because
of the efficiencies that possibly could be obtained from
doing that. I was wondering if you have completed any study
on that, or if nothing has happened yet?
Mr. Casey: Well, as a matter of fact, we will have probably
a report—we are waiting currently for a letter from
the County. There has been a dramatic change in the Recycling
market places to the extent that we’re now paying to
get rid of most all material. We will have a report for the
Council within two weeks with a proposal to change our markets
for recycling due to this change in the resale market, and
that will impact on the collection mode. So, what has been
occurring in the past six months is a very dramatic change
in Recycling to the extent that Recycling is no longer not
profitable, becoming a significant cost center.
Mr. Bonte: That’s still cheaper than—
Mr. Casey: It’s still cheaper, unless you consider
the costs of collecting. So, there will be something, we
have deliberately not brought anything forward attempting
to get a handle on long term markets for our product first.
Mr. Bonte: Thank you.
Mr. Guenther: Excuse me—I just have a question--is
that on all materials including aluminum and glass?
Mr. Casey: Aluminum by itself is fine. Certain glass you
cannot get rid of today. Green glass has no market. Clear
white has some market, brown, possibly. There is still a
market for corrugated if it’s properly sorted and separated.
There is a little market for white paper, but the problem
there is contamination—if you have very good separated,
computer paper, there’s a market. The moment you start
putting anything else in, the only place is Marcals, that’s
the only place that will take it. What is occurring is, the
market has changed to the extent that you may be able to
get rid of it if you get it to the place, but now you have
to provide the transportation costs. Frank Kennedy and I—he
was meeting with the County last week, and we talked again
today, and we’re going to very shortly bring a proposal
to the Governing Body which will change the marketing of
this material, attempting to utilize more of the County because
they have a bigger market situation than we do.
Mr. Bonte: Thanks, again, Mr. Casey. My comment has to do—it’s
specific and it’s general. You’ve all been following,
I am sure, what’s been going on at the Planning Board
with Crown Towers, and specifically, the issue of rainfall
and how it pertains to Mt. Olive. There has been extensive
discussion as to which type of data should be used when calculating
storm water management facilities within the Township. There
has been an argument which I have debated on lengthy with
the Planning Board and the Developer regarding the use of
data from Trenton New Jersey as opposed to more localized
data which is available. And we have been told on numerous
occasions by the Developer that he can’t be made to
do that. In New Jersey Administrative Code Title 5, Residential
Site Improvement Standards, it specifically states some design
engineers may use this information—the Trenton information—for
other parts of the State or they may substitute local rainfall
frequency data when available. I’ve already requested
the Planning Board to look into this. I’d like the
Council to give consideration to Amending our local Ordinances
that would require developers to utilize more localized data.
That data is available. Not only are there a number of people
in this Community who collect this data, I recently had my
data certified so it could be introduced as evidence and
utilized, but there is also National Weather Service Data
at numerous stations in the Highlands Region. And I think
it’s something that we should look at and require our
Developers to do, to avoid something like what happened in
Sparta. Rainfall is very different in the mountainous areas
then it is in Trenton, New Jersey. So, I’d like you
to start thinking in terms of this. And if we don’t
get the Planning Board to submit to you, some revisions to
the Ordinance, I’d like to request that this Council
consider prodding the Planning Board, or taking the initiative
themselves to make sure that our Ordinance is designed to
protect the Public in Mt. Olive. Thank you.
President Rattner: Thank you, Mr. Bonte. Is there anyone
else who would like to address the Council on any matter?
Seeing no one, I will close the Public Portion of the meeting.
Mr. Heymann: My only comment, I will not be here next Tuesday.
Somehow, my son is getting an Award for Academic Excellence—I
hope it’s not in Gym—that’s all I’m
hoping. So, I will be at the Wayne Manor next Tuesday at
Mr. Guenther: Mine is not a comment, it’s a question.
Where do we stand on Turkeybrook, vis a vie, the State—the
Mayor Licitra: We have a Council Committee Meeting, Bob
(Casey) is going to bring you up-to-date next week.
Mr. Guenther: Okay.
Mayor Licitra: Did Sandy (Kaplan) set that up?
President Rattner: Bob, do we have a meeting?
Mr. Casey: Well, I think—I’ve mentioned to the
Mayor during my conversation today, that if you wish I can
give a report next week—
President Rattner: Mr. Casey mentioned to me when I was
talking to him that he wanted to bring the Council up-to-date
because a lot of things happened and so we can see where
we’re going. I was impressed with what he already had,
and I thought the whole Council would like to see it. I didn’t
say “next week” I just thought whenever he could
bring it to us—
Mr. Casey: Whenever you wish.
President Rattner: Okay. Anything else, Mr. Guenther?
Mr. Guenther: No.
President Rattner: Mr. Sohl?
Mr. Sohl: Nothing.
President Rattner: Mrs. Kelly?
Mrs. Kelly: Along the same lines as Bernie’s request,
I did talk to Steve earlier. I would like to know what has
been done to advertise that we have passed an Ordinance that
outlaws the four-wheel-drive vehicles on Turkeybrook Park.
There are no signs that say that these things are not allowed
in the Park, and there is still evidence—very strong
evidence that four-wheel-drive vehicles are going in and
out of the park as well as quads, and trailbikes, motorized
Mr. Sohl:You mean the ATV-things.
Mrs. Kelly: As well as Broncos, and Pick-ups, there are
all sorts of four-wheel-drive vehicles going up and down
the dirt road, and it’s really causing more damage
to the dirt road now that the ground is thawed out, it’s
showing. And they’re going up and down the fields,
too. So, it’s causing damage and we have to control
this before we begin construction of these fields because
if we can’t control it now, how are we going to control
it when the fields are being developed? We don’t have
anything up there. Any kind of signage or anything that we’ve
passed this Ordinance restricting these types of activities.
So, I’d like a follow-through on that as well.
President Rattner: Thank you, Mrs. Kelly. Mr. Spino?
Mr. Spino: I know we mentioned it the last time—the
van we got from the Day Care Center that was returned to
us—given to us—I’d like to know what we’re
planning to do with it. Do we have that on for discussion?
I know it’s back there—the goal was, I guess,
to give it to the Seniors for Senior use. That hasn’t
been done. I know there are Seniors in the Senior organization—the
Senior Citizen’s Club, that have Driver’s Licenses
for that vehicle. Can we put that on? Mayor, can you get
some information? I’d like to see it used and not just
sit back there.
President Rattner: I think one of the things, Mayor, that
we’d have to check, is with the JIF, if we have a Senior
Citizen driving it, if we’d be covered—as a “volunteer-type” thing.
Mr. Spino: All right—and the other is, did we sent
a letter of approval supporting a Constitutional Convention
to Senator Schluter to look at only Property Tax Reform.
Mrs. Lashway: I think we did. I’ll check.
Mr. Spino: I know we got some information from the Mayor—
Mayor Licitra: I think you better research—the Constitutional
Convention, I think we better do some research on it because
I’ve been told by a couple of the Assembly people that
you might get what you wish for and what will probably happen
is, maybe our—the money that’s sent down will
be affected because it will be transferred from one to the
Mr. Spino: I’d like to see it—if we haven’t
Mrs. Lashway: We did do it.
Mr. Spino: I thought we did, but I wasn’t sure.
President Rattner: Okay, thank you, Mr. Spino. Mr. Scapicchio?
Mr. Scapicchio: Bob (Casey) I gave you a water—a Contract
from the MCMUA dated several years ago about Interconnection
between Flanders Valley—
Mr. Casey: I never received it. You mentioned that at this
meeting you were going to bring it up, but I never received
(INAUDIBLE – Multiple Discussions)
Mr. Scapicchio: Well, anyway, let’s get him a copy.
President Rattner: Anything else? All right. The only thing
I have, we got a second request from the Musconetcong Sewage
Authority whether we wanted to exercise our option on our
right-of-refusal. Did we answer them?
Mr. Casey: I was hoping that next Tuesday we were going
to talk sewers and that’s one of the many issues to
talk on sewers—and it goes to the whole question as
to our allocation—the report I gave to Council that
we’ve never really had a chance to review.
President Rattner: Okay, then we’ll do it—we
don’t need official action you can just send a letter
once we tell you which direction.
Mr. Casey: Yes.
President Rattner: Okay. Any other discussion? All right,
move for adjournment.
Motion made for adjournment. All in Favor, none Opposed.
The Meeting was adjourned at 9:40pm.
Steven W. Rattner
I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount
Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true
and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened
meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on
May 8, 2001.
LISA M. LASHWAY
Mount Olive Township Clerk