Mount Olive Township Council Minutes
February 8, 2000
President Sohl: this meeting started at 7:00pm and it Closed
for Executive Session that was announced last week. Unfortunately,
a couple of people indicated to me that the newspapers printed
the normal 7:30pm time. I apologize–I’m not going
to apologize to the newspapers, the reporters are here. But
it was certainly not our intent to have anything printed
that way. So, I apologize on behalf of the Township.
The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council
was called to Order at 8:00 p.m. by Council President Sohl
with the Pledge of Allegiance.
According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice
of this meeting has been given by written notice to the Mount
Olive Chronicle and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has
been posted at the entrance of the Municipal Building, 204
Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, NJ, and notices were
sent to those requesting the same.
ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Heymann, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino,
Mr. Rattner, President Sohl
Absent: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio
President Sohl: I would also like to acknowledge the attendance
of the Mayor, Paul Licitra, the Acting Business Administrator,
Bob Casey; the Township Attorney, John Dorsey; and Township
Clerk, Lisa Lashway.
Mayor Licitra: I have an Appointment to make–on the
Recreation Committee, replacing Dick Reade with Jim Farley,
an unexpired term, which is two years. Also, I want another
Closed Session after this.
LEGAL REPORTS: NONE
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS: October 12, 1999,
December 14, 1999 December 21, 1999 Exec. Session
Mr. Heymann moved for approval of the Minutes and Mr. Rattner
seconded the Motion.
All in favor, none opposed
Letters From Residents
1. E-mail dated January 21, 2000, from Tom Tarn RE: Crown
Tower Estates Transfer Credits.
2. Letter received January 24, 2000, from The Children’s
Home of Easton RE: Donation in memory of Chief Charlie Brown.
3. Letter received January 24, 2000, from Nora Lempicki
RE: Coalition to Save Dover General.
4. Letter received January 24, 2000, from Richard Bonte
RE: Crown Tower Estates Transfer Credits - concerns and recommendations.
Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from other Towns
League of Municipalities
1. Notices received January 24, 2000, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities RE: New Jersey Municipal Salary
Report; Membership Advisory - Supreme Court Rules on State
vs. Clark; Legislative Wrap-up.
2. Notice received January 24, 2000, from the Morris County
League of Municipalities RE: February 2000 Reorganization
3. Notice received February 2, 2000, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities RE: Governor’s Budget
4. Notice received February 2, 2000, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities RE: Home Based Business -
5. Notice received February 3, 2000, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities RE: Legislation Introduced
to Phase in Costs of WHS Realty v. Morristown Decision; “Real” Property
6. Notice received February 4, 2000, from the New Jersey
State League of Municipalities, RE: League Seminar, Labor
7. Letter received January 28, 2000, from NJDOT RE: Application
Permit and Fees; Block 4600, Lot 6. Dara Estates.
8. Letter received January 28, 2000, from NJDEP RE: LOI
for Fairway View Estates, L.L.C.; Block 5800, Lot 14 (Ironia
Rd. Roxbury border).
9. Letter received February 2, 2000, from NJDOT RE: Funding
from the DOT Local Aid Pedestrian/School Safety Program,
for Wolfe Road-Flanders Drakestown Road Sidewalk in the amount
Correspondence from Organizations/Committees/Boards
10. Letter received January 26, 2000, from NorthWest Jersey
Shared Services Connection (NWJSSC) RE: Representative from
participating Township to attend meetings on a regular basis.
11. Letter received February 4, 2000, from the New Jersey
Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Facility Siting Board
RE: Update on their activities.
12. Minutes received February 4, 2000, from the MSA, RE:
Meeting of January 5, 2000.
Correspondence Regarding Tort Claims/Verified Notice of
Land Use/Development Matters
13. Letter received January 24, 2000, from Washington Township
RE: Public Hearing on Revised Land Use Element of the Washington
Township Master Plan.
Correspondence from Cable Networks/Utilities
14. Notice received February 4, 2000, from GPU Energy RE:
Statewide Wetlands GP #1 Application, 2000 Vegetative Maintenance
Correspondence from Legislative Representatives
15. Letter received January 24, 2000, from Congressman Frelinghuysen
RE: Township Resolution in opposition to states distributing
personal data contained on driver’s licenses without
the consent of the individual.
Morris County Community Development
Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control
Newsletters / Notices
16. Notice received January 24, 2000, from Northeast Disability
and Business Technical Assistance Center RE: ADA Distance
17. Municipal Tax Alert. Notice Received February 2, 2000,
from Skoloff & Wolfe, P.C. RE: Statute Effective January
1, 2000, makes Municipalities responsible for taxpayer counsel
fees, appraisal, costs and other costs under certain circumstances.
President Sohl stated that we had received 21 items of Correspondence
and asked Council if there were any comments on same.
ORDINANCES FOR PUBLIC HEARING
Ord. #2-2000 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the
Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Sale of Block 5300,
Lot 18 C8.2A to Richard W. Eastman for $155,000. (Old police
President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on #2-2000.
Mr. Abdel Rehim Riad: I’m the owner of Village Mall
in Flanders. Regarding the store of Ordinance 2-2000. I’m
offering the Township to buy this store for $200,000. I’m
not going to put any laundromat in it. The Township got information
from previous Administration and I consider it as an Accountant–I’m
a CPA–as an Accountant as a fraud. Right now, I have
from the Water & Sewer Department the consumption of
the laundromat in my shopping center is almost 3,000 gallons
per day. If this law which is a store has it, has only capacity
for 8,000 gallons per day, are you going to allow 3,000 gallons
to be consumption for laundromat? Is this store allowed?
So, to avoid all this misinformation that you received from
the previous Administration, I’m putting for you a
check, cash go cash it right now from any bank. Mt. Olive
Township, $200,000 to purchase this store.
President Sohl: I don’t think we can accept that.
Mr. Dorsey, can you explain the situation?
Mr. Dorsey: The fact of the matter is, this Township attempted
to sell this private about two years ago–had a Public
Auction and there were no Bidders. The Township then listed
the property after its search for the best real estate commission.
The property was advertised and listed and exposed–I’m
going to say for about a year. It was about three months
ago that Mr. Eastman came forward, offered to buy the property
at a price very close to what the Township had originally
wanted for this piece of property and, the Township then
entered into a contract with Mr. Eastman to purchase the
property, subject, of course to the adoption of the Ordinance.
And, therefore, while it is a very generous offer, it is
not one that the Township is now in a position to accept
because it has a contract with Mr. Eastman, and based upon
the information we’ve received from Mr. Casey, who
has taken the time to research the issue of gallonage at
the Mall at 206, there is–and I’m satisfied there
is–sufficient gallonage to accommodate that which Mr.
Eastman seeks to do.
Mr. Riad: I explain it to you in black and white. Coming
from Water & Sewer Department of this Township. The actual
consumption as of December, 1999, is 1,014,500 gallons that
year. The average consumption per day is 2,779. As a taxpayer
of this Town, I would like to know from where you’re
going to get the other capacity for this new land matter.
Mr. Casey: If the Council may, the place that they are moving
to has purchased 8,500 gallons allotment from the Clover
Hill treatment plant. Where are aware of that data, we had
the data, we also had the data for what the current flows
are coming out of the Mall at 206. That combined with our
current flows will not exceed the 8,500 so it is permissible
from a sewer standpoint that, in fact, it can relocate to
that location. Any question as to how the Mall wants to divide
the sewage up internally, that’s their problem. But,
from a sewer standpoint, it is possible for this facility
to relocate based upon that data he has right there–that
usage data, to the other location.
Mr. Riad: No, sir. This Mall was built and approved in 1972.
I have a contract since 1972 that this place is laundromat.
Since 1972, the previous owner paid for the sewer since 1972.
You come in now and say I have to relocate it? Since when–
Mr. Casey: No, wait a minute. There are two issues here.
The issue you raised whether in fact a new Mall could go–
Mr. Riad: No, sir. The only issue I have here is, 8,500
gallons, you’re going to have it in this Mall. This
individual is going to consume about 3,000 gallons per day.
For a store–I located for him according to formula
300 gallons per day, from where are you going to get him
another 2,700 gallons from 8,500 like you stated?
Mr. Casey: As I indicated, the Mall has an allotment of
8,500 gallons. I can’t remember the exact number, but
they are only consuming about half of the allotment. Therefore,
it is available for someone else to use.
Mr. Riad: Can I talk now? Can I talk?
President Sohl: You may. We’re not going to argue
this all night.
Mr. Riad: I have to give you the fact. When I built the
new expansion–and some of you on the Board were here
at that time. Even my flow was using–Mr. Rakowski insisted
that we have to go with the formula, not with the flow. So,
you’re going to have two phases now. One area you’re
going to play with the formula like you told me before, and
now you’re telling me that you have to go with the
flow. To avoid all of this mess and to help the Township,
I’m going to pay $200,000 for this thing. Whatever
was billed is considered invalid. And I’m putting on
you here to go through the data and see exactly what I’m
talking about. It’s up to you to accept the $200,000
or not. Thank you.
President Sohl: Thank you. Is there anyone else who would
like to address this Ordinance?
President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #2-2000
Mr. Heymann moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord.
#2-2000 and Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.
President Sohl: Is there anyone from the Council who would
like to comment on this Ordinance?
Mr. Spino: I would just say–I would love to make a
little extra money here, I just don’t know how we can.
We have a contract, we made an agreement. It’s up to
the Developer or up to the person who’s putting in
whatever they’re putting in to make sure they have
the flow. It’s up to them, I would guess. But it seems
to me, the fair thing to do, we have a Contract. We tried
our best to sell it, we couldn’t do it. We finally
got someone to buy it. I don’t know what else we can
President Sohl: Roll Call, please.
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
President Sohl declared Ord. #2-2000 as Passed on Second
ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING
Ord. #5-2000 Bond Ordinance Providing for Improvement of
Township Owned Property In and By the Township of Mount Olive,
in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $125,000
Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $118,400 Bonds or
Notes of the Township of Mount Olive for Financing Such Appropriation.
(Budd Lake Fire Dept.)
Mr. Rattner moved that Ord. #5-2000 be introduced by title
and passed on First Reading and that it be scheduled for
Adoption after a Public Hearing on February 22, 2000 at 7:30
p.m. Mr. Heymann seconded the Motion.
Mr. Rattner: Just for the Public on this one–since
it says “Budd Lake Fire Department.” The Budd
Lake Fire Department is removing some of the oil tanks and
there happens to be a program for low-interest loans from
the State for a project like this. However, only the Municipality
can borrow the money. So this is actually being paid for
by the funds that are raised by the Fire Department themselves.
So, besides helping to save your property and lives, they’re
also funding this. It’s just that it’s something
less than 2% interest, and to remove old oil tanks is a very
President Sohl: Anyone else from the Council?
ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously
CONSENT RESOLUTIONS AGENDA:
Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to
be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council
and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will
be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions
except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements
which may be offered. If one or more Council member requests,
any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed
from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.
President Sohl: We have eight resolutions, anyone from the
council wish to discuss any of the eight? Anyone from the
public wish to address any of these resolutions?
Mr. Rich Bonte: I have a question on Resolution #4. I know
this was discussed last week. What is Passaic Valley Sewage
Authority do with the sludge when we bring it to them?
President Sohl: I don’t know.
Mr. Casey: I’m not sure–I don’t think
they incinerate it. I don’t know what they do with
Mr. Rattner: I asked Bob this question last week. Mr. Bonte,
I think what the intent–
Mr. Bonte: I know what the intent is.
Mr. Rattner: –of the Administration, is to use the
MSA, because the cost of Passaic and the MSA are just about
equal but it is always good to have two sources to bring
the sludge to. The MSA is a rather small operation that needs
a little bit of lead time, four days a week, and if they
go down for maintenance you have to have some other place.
I believe that’s what the Administration is planning
to do. To approve that contractor.
Mr. Bonte: I was just curious as to what they did with it.
Mr. Casey: I think they de-water it, and ship it. They take
the sludge to a landfill. They do not incinerate it.
Mr. Bonte: Well, if anything other than some type of environmentally
friendly method of disposal of the sludge is done there,
then I would certainly recommend we maximize our use of the
MSA. That’s the only request that I have.
Mr. Rattner: I think we discussed that–the cost is
about the same, it’s just having a second outlet. Because
the Passaic Valley is actually cheaper but the freight is
more, and it comes to about one-thousandth of a cent.
Mr. Bonte: I heard that last week, economically that is
not an issue. The only statement I was making was I hope
it doesn’t make it an easy way not to send stuff to
the MSA where we are doing it in the environmentally right
thing as well as getting back a little rebate for the Town.
So I hope we continue to pursue that avenue.
Mr. Rattner: I think that’s changed and that’s
the way the Town is going.
President Sohl: Thank you, Rich. Anyone else from the public,
hearing none. I’ll entertain a motion to move motions
1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive RE: Temporary Capital Budget.
2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Awarding Contract #00-02 to R&D Trucking,
Inc. (Sludge Trucking)
3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Rejecting All Bids for Water Meter Installation.
4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a Contract with Passaic Valley Sewer
Authority for the Disposal of Sewage Sludge
5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Providing for the Transfer of 1999
Current Fund Appropriation Reserves.
6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Accepting the Appointment of Robert F. Casey
as Interim Chief Financial Officer.
7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing a Contract for a Police Assessment
Center. (Police promotion)
8. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of
Mount Olive Authorizing the Second Year Option with Ryder/MLS
for Fleet Maintenance.
Mr. Heymann moved to approve the Consent Resolutions and
Mrs. Kelly seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
1. Bill List.
Budd Lake Fire Dept.
February, 2000 Contribution
Flanders Fire Dept.
February, 2000 Contribution
Budd Lake Rescue Squad
February, 2000 Contribution
Flanders Rescue Squad
February, 2000 Contribution
Mount Olive Public Library
February, 2000 Contribution
Mount Olive Public Library
Residual 1999 Contribution
Peterson & Son Tree Services
Pruning & Removal of Dead & Unsafe Trees at Sandshore, Cloverhill,
Peterson & Son Tree Services
Pruning & Removal of Dead & Unsafe Trees at Stonehouse, Manorhouse
December, 1999 Natural Gas Bill for Municipality
Ray's Sport Shop, Inc.
Five Smith & Wesson Stainless 9MM Pistols for Police Dept.
Ray's Sport Shop, Inc.
Ammunition and Equipment for Police Dept.
The Medical Center
Police Physical Exams for 1999
Tri-Maintenance & Contractors
Cleaning Services for Municipal Building for January, 2000
Dental Claims for February, 2000
Unique Image Corp.
Service Contract for Gestetner Copies for Period of 11/99 - 11/00
WATER & SEWER
Musconetcong Sewer Authority
First Quarter Billing for Year 2000
Sludge Removal for December, 1999
Lerch, Vinci & Higgins, CPA
Management Advisory Services for Period Ended 12/31/99
Dell Computer Corporation
Purchase of Five Computers for Police Dept.
Ord. #21-99 - Upgrade CAD System
Dell Computer Corporation
Purchase of Five Computers for Police Dept.
Ord. #21-99 - Upgrade CAD System
Geo Concepts Ltd.
Computer Data Conversion and Server Set-up of New Computers
Ord. #9-98 - Amended by 11-99 - Rec, Retention, Radios - Police
Moore Medical Corp.
Budd Lake Rescue Squad Medical Equipment
Ord. #21-99 - Bloodborne Gear
US Filter Dist. Group
Sensus Water Meters
Ord. #22-97 - Amended 38-97 - Water Meters
Mrs. Kelly moved for approval of the Bills and Mr. Rattner
seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
2. Approval of Raffle Applications #925 & #926 for the
Morris County Foster Parents Assn.and Raffle Applications
#927 & #928 for the Mt. Olive High School Parents' Club.
Mr. Spino moved for approval of the Motion and Mr. Rattner
seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously
Library Board Liaison Report
President Sohl: The Library Board meets tomorrow night.
I will mention, briefly, through the Offices of the Library,
a Historic Committee has been formed and has begun to be
quite active. What was presented last night at the meeting
was the results of research done so far--and this has been
over the last year--of the names, the various names, that
are on the monument that’s at the old Town Hall location
on Route 46. There are nine individuals that are listed there
that have been identified as having died in combat. What
has been of interest to President Sohl (cont’d): many
of us in sense was, we really don’t know who those
people were. The Historic Commission, Thea Dunkle has done
an outstanding amount of research and has gotten a hold of
in some cases family members, obtained pictures, etc. One
of the individuals is a World War I Vet, which we did not
know, one was a Vietnam Vet, and the others were from World
War II. There’s two or three names that she still is
drawing a blank on but she is continuing that endeavor and
Mayor Licitra: Thea also has articles and different Army
records and Navy records that she was able to capture. She
has them in a Billboard form that we are going to try to
frame and put a little dossier of each person in the wall
of honor up here so people can take a look at it while they’re
at the Municipal Building–maybe it will jog someone’s
memory when they come in. That’s what we are trying
to do with the Historical Commission and maybe they can add
something to the information we already have. I also have
Thea in for a Mayor’s Proclamation that I want to present
to her because she did a tremendous amount of work. A lot
of the records from World War II have been destroyed due
to a big fire in St. Lewis in 1973. So she had to do most
of her research over the Internet with names like Johnson
and Smith. With names like that you have to do a lot of work
to get the correct information with the correct names. She’s
going to keep it up and I’m going to clean up that
monument and have a dedication to it. I just commend Thea
and the Commission and they have my support as well as the
President Sohl: Thank you Paul.
Mr. Heymann: Last Thursday before the Planning Board, there
was a presentation made by the Committee–or at least
the Professionals involved with Flanders Park. I think some
of the people were a little nervous because of the neighbors
coming out, and we know the effect that always has. Mr. Spino
set the Record straight that this is a park with lights.
It was not something that was concocted in the last three
months. It had been the vision of that particular area. There
was a very nice presentation done by the lighting people
demonstrating when they put their hooded lights on, there
should not be glare. It was recommended, I think the Mayor
is going to contact Roxbury, which I think has similar lights.
I don’t think it’s in all their facilities, but
I think that we are going to take a little field trip there
and go look at their lights. They do keep their park open
until 11:00pm. I think once the residents go to Roxbury and
see that there is really no glare. Well, you know, it was
the typical, interesting evening. So I hope it doesn’t
get lost, and it moves along as quickly as possible. We’ve
already seen that they’re not going to be up for this
year. That was my gut reaction to this meeting, and we’ll
see where we head.
President Sohl: Thank you, do you having something to add,
Mayor Licitra: I’m just at too many meetings. At the
Planning Board meeting–and I don’t want to steal
Earl’s thunder when it comes to him, but we did also
request from the lighting contractor that he bring a stanchion
of 70' and shine it on the field. I’m more concerned
not from the glow, you’re going to have a glow no matter
what you do, the light shining on someone, or some of the
houses directly. As they say, the over flow, I’m not
as concerned about that. I would like to see if we can move
that stanchion around to different parts of the field to
see what the reflection is upon the houses, if any. There
was a short presentation, a videotape about ten minutes,
it is taped somewhere in Arizona and people did come out–when
people were annoyed by the lights, when they did put these
caps on the lights, people were very happy with the fact
that it was glowing on the field and only on the field. So,
I would object to anything that would have lights on in an
residential area until 11:00pm. In Roxbury they have very
few residents near the field where they are lighting it.
But in Mount Olive we do have, and I think we owe them at
least the responsibility or courtesy of not playing games
after a certain hour. I think we will limit the time, it’s
just a matter of finding out what time as to what we’re
going to limit it to.
Mr. Heymann: The only thing that I would like to add is
if we can put it on during the workshop next week, there’s
a $4,000 cost to bring that in. I spoke to Dave Scapicchio
he told me he had another business engagement in Hanover,
but maybe we can work something out where we can contribute
towards that to be brought in. I don’t want to bog
you down tonight but I would like to get this moving because
I can see, there’s all other projects.
Board of Health Report
Mr. Rattner: Nothing to report.
Planning Board Report
Mr. Spino: The other part of our Planning Board Meeting
was the final approval of a development actually in the same
area that we were just discussing. It’s on Flanders
Bartley Road. across from the A&P. Behind the bank and
the auction center there. It is a company called Cirrus.
They are going to put up one building now and have an approval
to put up two other buildings in that area. They were given
Open Space Committee Report
Environmental Commission Report
Mrs. Kelly: The Open Space Committee went on a site visit
to see some of the properties. We wanted to look at the open
space that was going to be donated as the result of the developers
transfer rights for the Crown Towers, and there was a parcel
on River Road and a ten-acre farm down in Old Flanders. But,
they did go out on Sunday. I believe the next meeting is
on Monday. The Environmental Commission meets the third Wednesday
of the month.
President Sohl: Okay, I now Open the Meeting to the Public.
Is there anyone who wishes to address the Council on any
matter of business.
Mr. Riad: I’m not questioning anything, the only thing
I have a question about is the previous Administration. I
would like to see the data which was presented to the Administrator
of the Township about the new consumption of the water, with
total consumption with the shopping center. The shopping
center which now is about almost 65,000 sq. feet. It was
offered to me to buy it but I didn’t buy. It was 65,000
sq. feet, my understandings when they transferred from septic
tank to public water and sewer they bought about 8,000 cubic
gallons for sewer, so if I am taking 3,000 sq. feet, which
is a store from 62,000 sq. feet, if you multiply it by the
formula that’s means this 62 you need 7500 cubic gallons
per day and plus 3000 from the laundromat is going to be
10,000 plus. I would like to know how the flow will predict
the formula and if the flow can predict the formula why we
using the formula, why we don’t go all over it now
and telling everyone in the Township we are using the flow
of the water. If you’re telling me that I will right
now to put 50,000 sq. feet in this mall without any more
water and sewer because the one who put the building in 1972
and got approval he bought for the laundry mat additional
President Sohl: If I may make a suggestion perhaps if you
can make an appointment to see the Business Administrator.
Mr. Casey: I will be happy to share with you the data, and
I know your question and we will talk about it. I know where
you’re coming from, the difference between the DEP
formula per capita sewage flows versus the actual flows.
I will get the data up from the other mall, I already told
I would send you the information when we talked today on
the phone. So I will get you that information within a week.
Mr. Riad: No I would like to be clear now.
President Sohl: We can’t answer that tonight.
Mr. Riad: Let me finish. If the Township is going to use
the formula from now on or is going to use the flow of the
water. That’s all. That’s all I would like to
President Sohl: That’s not a matter here we can determine
tonight. I’m not even familiar with the calculations.
I would suggest that you meet with Mr. Casey as he offers.
Mr. Riad: I am going to ask for a meeting for tomorrow or
for after tomorrow and we can sit down and discuss it as
individuals that would like to invest in this Township. That’s
President Sohl: That’s fine
Mr. Bonte: My comment has a little bit to do with the sale
of this facility. I don’t know what you’re plans
are for the $155,000, but last year the sister committee
to the committee that I am head of made some recommendations
to this Council regarding the site of the old municipal building.
In those recommendations was a recommendation with the expenditure
for approximately $99,000, for the removal of the two decrypted
garages that are there, removal of the dock, cleaning up
of the beach and doing a site survey. I have been advised
by Mr. Gellmen, who is the head of that committee, that the
$15,000 request that was in that $99,000 overall request
Mr. Bonte (cont’d): is going to be satisfied by some
other grants to remove the dock. So that would reduce that
request from $99,000 to $84,000. We met last week, one of
the things we would like Council to consider–although
we are away from making some kind of recommendation regarding
the building itself, I think that there is no disagreement
on anyone’s part including everybody that is sitting
here before me, that we should really begin moving on cleaning
up that site and getting rid of the other two buildings that
are nothing more than an eyesore and a liability to the Township.
I’d like to suggest since this $155,000 is kind of
found capital money that we really were not anticipating,
that maybe some of that could be marked towards doing something
positive for the Town. Clean up our own property and start
enhancing that area. We know ultimately that we will have
to take down those two buildings and the sooner we get them
down will be in the interest of the public so people driving
by do not have to look at totally neglected ugly sites. We
would start showing to the residents of the Township that
we are interested in improving the aesthetics of the Community
as well as reducing some potential liability it might have.
So I would like to make that recommendation to you this evening.
President Sohl: Thank you, Rich, I think that’s an
excellent recommendation. We know that those two buildings
are an eyesore and they have to come down. We should maintain
are property better than we expect any business to or resident.
President Sohl: Any one else from the public want to address
the Council or the Mayor.
Mr. Randy Carter, CFO: Well I would just like to address
the Council, I guess everybody knows that I will be leaving
on Friday. I’d like to say that I am very, very impressed
with the job that Paul Licitra is doing as Mayor starting
out. I really am. The thing is, I’m impressed with
Mr. Casey. Mr. Casey seems to know everything and he claims
have 35-years experience, but he must be 100 years old and
have 70 years of experience, he just seems to know everything.
What I would like to talk to you about though is, I won’t
be here, of course, for the Budget process, but there’s
a couple of things that I would like to comment on, if you
don’t mind. First of all, I am very impressed with
the director of Public Works concept you have going and I
think that is long, long overdue. What you want to look at
though when you look at Public Works I think that the Township,
and I am not being critical of anybody when I speak here,
okay. I’m just trying to be positive and constructive.
But I really think that we are middle heavy in Public Works.
In other words, when we look at, let’s say Sanitation,
we have a Supervisor and we have a Foreman. When we look
at the Road Department we have a Supervisor and a Foreman.
When we look at the Sewer Department we have the same situation.
You might really want to look at that, okay? You might really
want to examine what these people really do and how close,
how much is necessary or if there is any redundancy there,
okay. Another comment I would like to make is that, in my
mind, and looking at it through my eight years experience
here, I really think that the Town needs a Director of Environmental
Protections. And who would be under that would be the Health
Department and the Planning Department. What happens there–and
the Environmental Commission and anything that has to do
with land use. Because I have not seen, from my eyes, and
I am not being critical but I don’t think that there
is the coordination there that there could be if they had
one Director overseeing all those functions. So maybe you
might want to take a look at that. The other thing too--I
seem to be negative and critical but I don’t mean to
be. But I don’t want to go in Closed Session and talk
about these things–is that you have to enhance your
training programs here for the labor people. When I first
was a CFO here, we had, for example, water operators that
if a pump broke they knew how to fix a pump. They were Senior
Water Operator, they could pull they pump out and fix it,
whatever it took they could do it. Now, what we seem to do
when it breaks, we know how to use the telephone to call
somebody else to fix it. I am being serious, okay. What I
would suggest you try and do is when you interview the heads
of the departments is to really assess the training level
of some of the people that they have. I’m not going
to be very popular tomorrow with the staff making this, but
I am trying to be constructive and I think that Paul has
hit it right on the head very early on when he took a look
at how Mt. Olive is structured. Now, my final comment regarding
personnel is we desperately need an Assistant Administrator
here. You absolutely, desperately need that because that
person should be doing the purchasing function. And its not
cohesive, it’s not coordinated, okay, and really there
should be one person that is purchasing all the office supplies
for all the departments so it’s consistent. The other
thing, too, that you might really want to think about is
go back to how Spangler had the Recreation Department organized.
He had Recreation under the Assistant Administrator--recreation
activities. When you have that you have the recreation function
very close to the Mayor, okay, because it is a very, very
important thing. Recreation activities. What you also have
now in your Health Department, which should be under the
Environmental Protections, you have Social Services now which
has nothing to do with health, has nothing at all to do with
health. Social Service is a recreation activity. So, what
you might want to think about is combining the social service
activities with recreation and then placing it under the
assistant administrator. Okay. That’s about all the
comments I have. Does anybody have any questions on that?
Mr. Rattner: How should the Council be reorganized? Since
your going through the whole Town.
President Sohl: I would like to thank you for your comments,
I think a number of things you touched on, this Council has
been very much aware of--especially the training issue .
We have known for a long period of time training has been
literally slashed out, even if this Council put money in
the Budget it was never used because for whatever reason
the prior Administration had no faith in training. Which
is ludicrous I work for one of the biggest companies in the
world and I never had a year go by when I didn’t have
to attend a total of two weeks of training in my career.
And I am sure Mr. Rattner with AT&T can say the same
thing, and almost everybody here in one form or other constantly
is exposed to some kind of training. You are never to old
Mayor Licitra: I hope all the years of experiences–as
Councilman and CFO, even though you take your new position
down in South River, you consider bringing your experience
back to Government maybe on a Commission or a Committee.
Mr. Carter: Absolutely if you have an opening certainly,
Mayor Licitra: As far as DPW is concerned, I appreciate
your comments. It was reported in the paper that we were
creating a position and let me state now to my Council members
that we did eliminate a position. So it was reported incorrectly.
The position was eliminated already, in fact, probably when
we go out for the DPW Director, probably will be less pay
than the position that we eliminated. Training, I agree.
I think with the people knowing state-of-the-art programs
and learning them we can do things more efficiently. More
efficiently means we put out a better product. Our product
being serving the public. Randy, I appreciate the years you
spent as the CFO here, you were an asset, you were a very
dedicated employee and I’m very happy that you found
this position. Don’t forget us, come back and say hello
once in a while.
Mr. Carter: Okay. One other comment that I forgot. The Police
Department is doing an excellent job on the grants. They
took in--off the top of my head--$340,000 this year in Cops
Grants. And I think the year before was $290,000. So, to
the extent that they were taking in that kind–you people
are the policy makers but don’t be too hesitant to
add a employee here and there. They are bringing in the grant
money to cover it and we could probably need a couple more
officers here and there. So whatever. I thank you all, it
was fun, it was challenging, it was hell, it was everything,
okay. I would also like to thank Mr. Dorsey. Mr. Dorsey and
I have a very strange relationship because at one time Mr.
Dorsey and I were bitter enemies, back in the Charlie Johnson
days. He was very protective of Charlie and I was the Council
President and I had a dual with him. That was very difficult
especially since he was the President of the Senate and he
had the big ego and everything else.
Mayor Licitra: He’s changed a lot since then. He doesn’t
have an ego any more.
Mr. Carter: He was very, very fair to me and I really appreciate
it. And he was very fair to the Council, too. I really appreciate
the fact that sometimes he went out on a limb for me just
on the sake of principles and I would really like, in public,
to thank him for that. That’s all I have to say.
President Sohl: Thank you, Randy. Anyone else from the public?
Ms. Veronica Gill, Lewis Drive, Budd Lake: I just was notified
by my neighbors that our sewer portions were going up substantially.
I have never been here before but I was wondering--apparently
there was a one-time entry that was put in the Budget last
year which was applied towards the sewer payments last year.
I’m wondering what happened to that person who made
that error. Are they still around? It’s really not
funny because it’s a lot of money and it’s a
Mr. Dorsey: It wasn’t an error.
Ms. Gill: It wasn’t?
Mr. Casey: There were funds available within various accounts
that were available to be used in order to keep the rates
low last year Those were legitimate funds that were sitting
in the sewer utility which were used to hold the cost until
the Mayor and Council could get a better handle on what the
operations cost was going to be.
Ms. Gill: Was anybody told that beforehand? Was anyone told
to be expecting these huge--this very big increase?
President Sohl: For the record the actual legislation which
we will act on will be in two weeks, there will be a Public
Meeting on February 22,
Mr. Dorsey: The Township Auditor will be here at that time
to review all the numbers.
Ms. Gill: So that’s when they will tell us–
Mr. Carter: There is no error, ma’am
Ms. Gill: Well it’s a misrepresentation, if the public
wasn’t told that
President Sohl: I think that if we had the Auditor here–
Ms. Gill: Right--I read in the paper where the Auditor said
that this was a error. Whether or not it’s an error
or that particular person not being totally informed
Mr. Carter: Totally bright, right? Can I address that–
Ms. Gill: Well if that person is not here to defend himself–I
don’t think, not totally right or bright.
Mr. Carter: Me, I’m talking about me
Ms. Gill: No, the Auditor
President Sohl: Randy, you know we can’t have a dialogue
going like that. One at a time at the podium
Mr. Carter: If I could get a chance at the floor, I would
be glad to address the situation.
Ms. Gill: Then we would be here until 11:00pm.
Mr. Dorsey: Randy, we’re carrying this to the Public
Hearing, that’s the proper time.
President Sohl: If you want to join us on the 22nd, I think
that’s the better time. There will probably be quite
a few more people here.
Mr. Carter: All right, okay. I will be here. Mr. Higgins
and I, and Mr. Rattner we can all discuss this situation
President Sohl: Thank you. Anyone else from the public wish
to speak? If not, I close the meeting to the Public.
President Sohl: All right. We need to go in closed session
for what purpose, Mayor?
Mayor Licitra: Personnel, litigation.
Motion made to go into Executive Session and Seconded. All
in favor, none opposed.
Motion made for adjournment. All in favor, none opposed.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:00 pm.
William H. Sohl
Mt. Olive Township Council President
I, LISA M. LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount
Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true
and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened
meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on
August 22, 2000.
Lisa M. Lashway
Mt. Olive Township Clerk